Changes v Gold Coast Suns

[Deemania since 56 6,638]

17 hours ago, Deeoldfart said:

and that won't happen with Vanders.  Give him a run now I reckon, so he has time to 'acclimatize' and build into September, assuming we make it that far.  His experience, body size and pressure will be an invaluable in finals.

Very sound thinking.

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Players like JKH et al have to play well because we have Hibberd and Viney to come back from the swans game onward.

[Deemania since 56 6,638]

51 minutes ago, DV8 said:

Pedo is ready and waiting, can do 3 major roles.

Very good point. 

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Spargo's inability to stick tackles is a worry heading into the final month.  I think there is a lot to gain from getting AVB back in the team now so he can get up to speed.

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I would like to see Tim Smith come in for Jesse if he needs a weeks rest. If AVB is given the nod instead, this could allow Clarrie to go forward longer. Id rather Jesse stay but he probably needs a freshener.

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I'd like to see Hunt regain some zip and form, he could be a weapon come September, a bit forgotten about around these parts, I'd have him over Smith or JKH.

[Deespicable 2,726]

Hard to see any changes this week unless someone pulls up sore or catches Hoges' flu.

Biggest issues now are figuring out the best way for O.Mac and Jesse to regain confidence and how to find room for Vanders.

My own personal view on the first one is to try switching ends for both O.Mac and Jesse - at least until half time. Just so they can get a different perspective.

As to Vanders, the only possible out, if we have to pull the pin, is Spargo, given that Jeffy performed well and I'd want Charlie back in the following week.

 

 

 

[jnrmac 20,065]

17 hours ago, Deeoldfart said:

Line-ball, but I'd go the other way DSpence (assuming the MC reckon Vanders can run out most of a game).  The oppo have been walking through Sparg's tackles for a few weeks now, and that won't happen with Vanders.  Give him a run now I reckon, so he has time to 'acclimatize' and build into September, assuming we make it that far.  His experience, body size and pressure will be an invaluable in finals.

LOL he has played 28 games.

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49 minutes ago, DV8 said:

The defence needs a better structure to support OMc

As we are talking 'gap filing' so often this year on DL, I firstly agree that the fullback does need support of a variety of types to take advantage of a superior last line, second last line of the defensive set-up. My issue is with OMac; he seems to particularly need a great deal of support in every regard - and constantly - excepting a bare minimum 'few' occasions where that support might not have been available and luck more than skills enabled a clearance before another opposition rebound. I watched OMac close-up very carefully for two quarters against the Crows, and from a distance for the other 2 qtrs. He looks lost, goes roaming a does not stand shoulder-to-shoulder with his opponent, and is slow to respond once that his eyes/brain confirm that the ball or an attacker is coming into the hot spot. When necessary, most of the time, he is caught out of zone due to the same slow reaction or readiness to compete. When he competes he is often just brushed aside and takes up a 'roving' position out of the pack, melee, contest quite some distance away - and out of harm's way. Our team must overcome this and so does by providing a double workload on all others defenders attempting to do those things that support OMac whilst still providing their own functions with opposition players and the critical moments of game proximity, and nearly all of OMac's role, as well. Sad realisation but true, and suspected most of this season. Let's get a big-bodied, mobile, certified fullback into that spot right now - one who sees ball, gets ball and who does not need so much 'heavy support' to do his job.

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32 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Smith needs more games.... probably. 

Are these next 4 games the ones I ask myself. No. We need the very best 22 ...players for jobs ,( able to be done well )

Now's not a time to blood...or near to ,players. 

He's best 22 until Hibberd and/or Hunt come back.

He does some really good things but brings them unstuck by doing some really bad things.

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1 hour ago, DV8 said:

Hogan IMO is Not your typical tall forward.   He doesn't have a big leap or reach.  So he's not a deep forward.

He is getting crashed when playing deep, with the ball being kicked on his head.

He is more your mobile CHF who does his best when moving around the field, a bit like Schwarta.

Weide will be your deep forward.

TMc is also a CHF, who rolls back with the ball.

 

Jesse needs a rest, before its too late to give him that.  I think Hogan needs 2 weeks off to unload.

Pedo is ready and waiting, can do 3 major roles.  Weide is waiting.

 

Hannan, IMO, could play intercept defender.

 

Hogan is the type of player who can make quite an impact across the centre of the ground and he'll even go to the half back line to support the defenders. It was there he got his first couple of touches on Saturday night. There are plenty of threats to oppo backlines without Hogan down there. I like the ability to kick big scores without arguably our most dangerous forward having a strong hand in it.

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I like Smith, good closing speed. If he plays to his limitations and gets the ball in the hands of those who can use the ball better by foot then he is a keeper in the 22 for me.

Hogan is way off the pace at the moment. Pedo in this week, get Jesse cherry ripe for the last 3 rounds.

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11 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

As we are talking 'gap filing' so often this year on DL, I firstly agree that the fullback does need support of a variety of types to take advantage of a superior last line, second last line of the defensive set-up. My issue is with OMac; he seems to particularly need a great deal of support in every regard - and constantly - excepting a bare minimum 'few' occasions where that support might not have been available and luck more than skills enabled a clearance before another opposition rebound. I watched OMac close-up very carefully for two quarters against the Crows, and from a distance for the other 2 qtrs. He looks lost, goes roaming a does not stand shoulder-to-shoulder with his opponent, and is slow to respond once that his eyes/brain confirm that the ball or an attacker is coming into the hot spot. When necessary, most of the time, he is caught out of zone due to the same slow reaction or readiness to compete. When he competes he is often just brushed aside and takes up a 'roving' position out of the pack, melee, contest quite some distance away - and out of harm's way. Our team must overcome this and so does by providing a double workload on all others defenders attempting to do those things that support OMac whilst still providing their own functions with opposition players and the critical moments of game proximity, and nearly all of OMac's role, as well. Sad realisation but true, and suspected most of this season. Let's get a big-bodied, mobile, certified fullback into that spot right now - one who sees ball, gets ball and who does not need so much 'heavy support' to do his job.

Couldnt have said it better myself. The midfield are required to do a lot of that support. Added to this is teams try to isolate him quite often because his one on one skills are not the best.

He looked better when Lever had played a few games and there was a bit of sync there but his one on one is heart in mouth stuff, his intensity I don't think can ever be changed. He has better skills than Frost but Frost has more weapons with his strength and speed. We be good if could somehow 'merge' them....

 

Edited July 30, 2018 by jnrmac

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43 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

I'd be happy for Pedo to come in. Has far more attributes than Smith ( at this stage of his career )

Its time to get some reassurance back into the defence... OMc is suffering from our leaking thru the corridor, lack of defensive pressure thru half-forward and center-lines.

So OMc needs assistance.

 

With Hibberd out and Jetta sore, we need another sweeper.  I think Hannan off the wing or as small defender, along with Fritz.

The other is Baker???   to play this role, but Hannan is a better ball user.   Baker is a bit suss Re disposal,,, but is a good runner/line_breaker?

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35 minutes ago, S_T said:

Spargo's inability to stick tackles is a worry heading into the final month.  I think there is a lot to gain from getting AVB back in the team now so he can get up to speed.

I think he's mentally tired... is mature, but maybe needs 2 weeks off at Casey to refresh limited time on-field... and re-find the intensity he started with. 

But his smarts are there for all to see.   He will be needed in finals.

15 minutes ago, Mondê said:

I like Smith, good closing speed. If he plays to his limitations and gets the ball in the hands of those who can use the ball better by foot then he is a keeper in the 22 for me.

Hogan is way off the pace at the moment. Pedo in this week, get Jesse cherry ripe for the last 3 rounds.

The other thought is to play jSmith off the wing, with Pedo play key back.

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5 minutes ago, DV8 said:

Its time to get some reassurance back into the defence... OMc is suffering from our leaking thru the corridor, lack of defensive pressure thru half-forward and center-lines.

So OMc needs assistance.

 

With Hibberd out and Jetta sore, we need another sweeper.  I think Hannan off the wing or as small defender, along with Fritz.

The other is Baker???   to play this role, but Hannan is a better ball user.   Baker is a bit suss Re disposal,,, but is a good runner/line_breaker?

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I don’t know if we can afford to have another debutant flounder in defence like we did against St Kilda.  Frost isn’t a world beater but we needed him in against the Saints.  Baker gets his chance next year, every game is life and death to our season.  I would have thought that would have been our motto all year ??‍♂️

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I live interstate and haven’t seen baker live yet. But watching on tv he just doesn’t look ready to me. If we were bottom 4 and blooding young players as we would “normally” be in August , then sure give him a run. But given the tightness of the company, every goal we get and give away against Gold Coast could yet b vital. Leave him be fr 2018, Get another pre season into him. 

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4 minutes ago, BrisbaneDemon said:

I don’t know if we can afford to have another debutant flounder in defence like we did against St Kilda.  Frost isn’t a world beater but we needed him in against the Saints.  Baker gets his chance next year, every game is life and death to our season.  I would have thought that would have been our motto all year ??‍♂️

I still reckon we can play Frost as a tall winger. Or Pedo.

But I like,,,,, in our current setup, a winger who can roll back to defence to chop-out our kids, back there.   to go back as intercept.

 

Pedo is actually a beautiful kick, so would be more dangerous kicking into out F50.   He could easily take his role into the ruck from the wing position, as Gawn rests forward.

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4 minutes ago, DV8 said:

I still reckon we can play Frost as a tall winger. Or Pedo.

But I like,,,,, in our current setup, a winger who can roll back to defence to chop-out our kids, back there.   to go back as intercept.

 

Pedo is actually a beautiful kick, so would be more dangerous kicking into out F50.   He could easily take his role into the ruck from the wing position, as Gawn rests forward.

Peds, sure as he's played a lead up role as CHF before and performed well spreading and marking on wings. 

But to play wing you need to have good kicking and Frost is too much of a liability at the moment. Much better for him to continue to play behind the ball. He has improved our structure since Lever went down and is more then adequate at taking the oppositions best or second key tall.

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18 hours ago, picket fence said:

The fact is 

Ball gone, elected to bump, made contact with the head!! GOOSE DESERVES 3 

 

4 hours ago, McQueen said:

Agree, didn’t Tex Walker cop that week for a near identical incident?

[re May's late high hit]

Should get three given his record, but using the Walker precedent of one week (as Adelaide were playing Demons in two) May will get a fine (as Suns are playing Demons in one).

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We have some pretty good players to come back who could make an impact finals . 

Viney

Hibberd

Hunt

Vanders

Maybe Kent if he can hit form.

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Pedo will not be chosen

 

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18 minutes ago, DV8 said:

I think he's mentally tired... is mature, but maybe needs 2 weeks off at Casey to refresh limited time on-field... and re-find the intensity he started with. 

But his smarts are there for all to see.   He will be needed in finals.

The other thought is to play jSmith off the wing, with Pedo play key back.

 

I think it is too late in the season to be experimenting with positions, Smith hasn't played wing since he has been in the team and likewise Pedo as a key back.

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15 hours ago, pineapple dee said:

He means " This Is Serious Mum" . It was otherwise known as TISM. A band of some description in the '80s and 90's. More than that I can't tell you.

Some description? Heresy says I.

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2 hours ago, jnrmac said:

LOL he has played 28 games.

Gee jnr, you have become a grumblebum lately.