The Jesse Incident

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11 hours ago, SFebey said:

Disappointed but there is also a cockiness within the team also that needs to be put to bed, Hogan also gobbed off at Carlisle before missing the easy shot on goal. A few weeks back v Hawks he rubbed David Mirra’s Head after a stuff up, was pretty much the turning point of the game. Also noticing a few cocky incidents during games, Lever last week. We have to remember where we came from and step down off our pedastal IMO.

are you talking about Lever bouncing up and down on 3qtr time trying to rev the boys up?

[Demon Dynasty 15,451]

11 hours ago, SFebey said:

Disappointed but there is also a cockiness within the team also that needs to be put to bed, Hogan also gobbed off at Carlisle before missing the easy shot on goal. A few weeks back v Hawks he rubbed David Mirra’s Head after a stuff up, was pretty much the turning point of the game. Also noticing a few cocky incidents during games, Lever last week. We have to remember where we came from and step down off our pedastal IMO.

Sorry SF but I have no issues at all with what Hulk did on the weekend and some degree of cockiness is fine provided the players / team are performing most weeks.  I think the two are mutually exclusive myself.  Admittedly the rubbing of the head was a dumb badly timed move given that it was Mirra who lead Hulk to the fall of the ball and got into the position that Hulk should have been, even though Mirra dropped the pill.  There's a fair difference between being cocky and being a smart arse IMO.  I can't stand seeing players do the latter.

But good players and teams are more than capable of playing good footy while also being a little cocky at the same time.  I've been watching the likes of the Hawks play cocky / in your face football for decades and getting away with it much of the time, as well as having a stack of success while doing so.  Doesn't effect their performance one iota!

Keep up the good work Demons.  We are on track!

[Jaded No More 57,906]

And we wonder why so many men in this country get away with unnecessary violence against one another and against women. 

Jesse is cleared so at least common sense prevailed. Just wish Goodwin wasn’t so weak and actually stood up for his players. He defends them when they perform like crap, but he doesn’t stand up for his star forward he is being branded a soft diver. My mind boggles. 

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The commentators kept saying Hogan staged, but NOT ONE saw the contact. Every piece of footage during the game was from behind.

 

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2 minutes ago, Tony Tea said:

The commentators kept saying Hogan staged, but NOT ONE saw the contact. Every piece of footage during the game was from behind.

 

Even so, you can see there were 2 blows even if you can't say exactly what the second one did.  No excuse for the commentators.  Too keen to rush to judgement.

[Demonland 64,937]

Here's the response from the club. 

Melbourne feels vindicated about the MRO’s decision, and footy boss Josh Mahoney has bit back at the reporting of the play.

“The reaction has been excessive in the commentary about this incident,” he told SEN’s Time On.

“When you consider the vision that was made available, you can maybe understand people’s reaction, but in light of the vision that has come out more recently, people can say they probably hung Jesse out to dry for the last 24 hours.

“The commentary has been excessive. No player wants to be linked to staging, it has gone through the MRO process and we are happy he has been cleared.”

 

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2 hours ago, SFebey said:

My apologies, it was a clear push to the throat, to me from the other angle it looked like the chest, I was wrong. (still soft by Hogan though).

For the life of me I cannot understand this reaction. Is it just possible that Hogan was not  expecting it ? Did he go down holding his throat and roll around like he had been hit by a Bazooka ? If he overreacted when he went to ground then yes...call him soft...but he got straight back up again. I think I’d prefer to give him the benefit of doubt rather than label him soft because he got pushed in the the throat and went to ground.

 

[Robot Devil 1,895]

Fair play to BT who when shown the footage from behind the goals on Talking Footy admitted that he was wrong and apologised. 

Wayne Carey also asked the question why a strike to the throat wasn’t worthy of a sanction. 

I await the retractions of other buttheads like Matthew Lloyd but won’t hold my breath. 

[Mazer Rackham 14,969]

24 minutes ago, Robot Devil said:

I await the retractions of other buttheads like Matthew Lloyd but won’t hold my breath. 

Matthew Lloyd is still trying to work out how there were 3 premiers in the AFLX. He may have worked out by round 16 that Hogan copped a jab to the throat.

 

24 minutes ago, Robot Devil said:

Wayne Carey also asked the question why a strike to the throat wasn’t worthy of a sanction.

Because the new improved MRP is still chooklotto

[What 18,810]

Anyone still berating Jesse after the new footage came out should line up to be whacked in the throat by him to see how the react.

I am guessing they wont volunteer for that though.  

Edited May 7, 2018 by Petraccattack

[Jaded No More 57,906]

I’m happy to personally hit everyone who reckons he’s a stager in the neck. See how they react. Pseudo tough guys. 

[Dee Zephyr 17,499]

13 hours ago, Demonland said:

What do you think of the incident?

You should tweet this twit and ask her for an apology for writing this dribble.

Hogan was awarded a free kick, but the karma gods denied him a goal.

[beelzebub 22,225]

1 hour ago, Robot Devil said:

Fair play to BT who when shown the footage from behind the goals on Talking Footy admitted that he was wrong and apologised. 

Wayne Carey also asked the question why a strike to the throat wasn’t worthy of a sanction. 

I await the retractions of other buttheads like Matthew Lloyd but won’t hold my breath. 

Perhaps BT should engage brain before mouth......oh wait ?

[Dr. Gonzo 22,415]

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

Here's the response from the club. 

Melbourne feels vindicated about the MRO’s decision, and footy boss Josh Mahoney has bit back at the reporting of the play.

“The reaction has been excessive in the commentary about this incident,” he told SEN’s Time On.

“When you consider the vision that was made available, you can maybe understand people’s reaction, but in light of the vision that has come out more recently, people can say they probably hung Jesse out to dry for the last 24 hours.

“The commentary has been excessive. No player wants to be linked to staging, it has gone through the MRO process and we are happy he has been cleared.”

 

Meanwhile Rance ducks/flops every other game and he's a hero. Oliver coos a fine for a tummy tap, Jetta gets punched in the face and not even mentioned

What the [censored] is going on here?

[monoccular 16,072]

4 hours ago, Demonland said:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-07/match-review-full-statement-round-seven

Contact between St Kilda’s Jake Carlisle and Melbourne’s Jesse Hogan from the third quarter of Sunday’s match was assessed. The ball was kicked through for a point with Carlisle and Hogan coming towards the goal square, after the ball has passed the line and registered a score. On the behind-goal vision, Carlisle turns toward Hogan and makes contact with an open hand to the throat area of the Melbourne player. The umpire in control of the play is within five metres and pays a free kick to Hogan for high contact. It was the view of the Match Review Officer that there was high contact made to the Melbourne player and the contact was not excessively exaggerated by Hogan. It was also the view of the match review officer that the force used in the contact was below that required for a charge to be laid, and no further action was required after the free kick was paid.

Just flabbergasted that the investigation was primarily of Hogan's actions and not on Carlisle's!

3 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

It is insane.   Cant believe this is the big story of the day 

He got hit in the throat, but Jesse is the bad guy?  So pathetic

 

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

It still mystifies me, though doesn't surprise me that the litmus is whether Jesse was staging ?

FMD....

It's irrelevant how Hogan reacts...the TRANSGRESSION is the DOG act by mongel Carlisle. What an absolute [censored] !!

 

Blame the victim .... 

2 hours ago, willmoy said:

About time Christian should go the way of the lions, i'm afraid.

What's worse, a bite/more dangerous on the neck area or a chop to the throat?

In this the year of the clergy child abuse royal commission, one could say that Christians have lost a fair bit of credibility - this is one more hit.

1 hour ago, Robot Devil said:

Fair play to BT who when shown the footage from behind the goals on Talking Footy admitted that he was wrong and apologised. 

Wayne Carey also asked the question why a strike to the throat wasn’t worthy of a sanction. 

I await the retractions of other buttheads like Matthew Lloyd but won’t hold my breath. 

Lloyd the greatest diver in AFL history - pot ... kettle .... black.

[jnrmac 18,975]

5 hours ago, SFebey said:

My apologies, it was a clear push to the throat, to me from the other angle it looked like the chest, I was wrong. (still soft by Hogan though).

You called the umpire a liar.

[Go the Biff 3,132]

6 hours ago, SFebey said:

My apologies, it was a clear push to the throat, to me from the other angle it looked like the chest, I was wrong. (still soft by Hogan though).

 

Soft ? Carlisle is a [censored] big unit. Pretty sure a whack to the throat from him would put most on their arse

[P-man 13,168]

I wonder if any in the media will be big enough to publicly withdraw their OTT criticism. I won’t hold my breath.

[What 18,810]

2 hours ago, monoccular said:

Just flabbergasted that the investigation was primarily of Hogan's actions and not on Carlisle's!

 

Blame the victim .... 

In this the year of the clergy child abuse royal commission, one could say that Christians have lost a fair bit of credibility - this is one more hit.

Lloyd the greatest diver in AFL history - pot ... kettle .... black.

 

They should be talking about Hogan putting the season from hell behind him to be in career best, All Australian form.

But no.   

Footy Classified didnt even mention the incident at all. No retraction from Lloyd.  The media know they've embarrassed themselves the last 24 hours.

Edited May 7, 2018 by Petraccattack

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57 minutes ago, P-man said:

I wonder if any in the media will be big enough to publicly withdraw their OTT criticism. I won’t hold my breath.

I asked news to apologise, they didn’t recognise my strong comment 

[Fork 'em 6,507]

6 hours ago, Jaded said:

 Just wish Goodwin wasn’t so weak and actually stood up for his players. He defends them when they perform like crap, but he doesn’t stand up for his star forward he is being branded a soft diver. My mind boggles. 

Yep, talked it up early last year that he liked us playing on the edge.
Couple players stepped over in Oliver and Bugg and he hung them out to dry in front of the media.
Should have circled the wagons and told the media parasites to nick off.
Players like to know the coach has their backs and if he doesn't they're not gonna play as hard for him.

[deebug 1,754]

6 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

Anyone still berating Jesse after the new footage came out should line up to be whacked in the throat by him to see how the react.

I am guessing they wont volunteer for that though.  

Well said. Jesse can hold his head up high and know those who doubt him or have a go at him can go and get #^$**#%.

[P-man 13,168]

2 hours ago, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

I asked news to apologise, they didn’t recognise my strong comment 

Apparently BT to his credit apologised on Talking Footy for his on air comments.

It’s the ones who came out firing in the cold light of day after having a chance to properly review the tape that should be apologising. Are their eyes painted on? How did they not see Carlisle’s second action? Why did they need the goal post footage? I genuinely don’t understand. My eyes are shithouse and I saw him strike the throat when it happened live.

[SFebes 4,692]

4 hours ago, dave said:

 

Weak supporters don’t cough up for memberships for 35+ years and donate money to the club and travel to most interstate games from my own pocket as well as all Victorian games. I call it as I see it, some don’t like it, on this occasion I got it wrong as I assumed the umpire didn’t see it front on and from the footage I saw it looked like the chest, as did some commentators. I also give credit where’s its due. Not many on here even apologise for being wrong, but I always do. I’m still going to say that Hogan went to ground easily, the force didn’t appear strong and Hogan is a big boy, it is what it is, all I care about is winning the next two games.

Edited May 7, 2018 by george_on_the_outer

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7 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Meanwhile Rance ducks/flops every other game and he's a hero. Oliver coos a fine for a tummy tap, Jetta gets punched in the face and not even mentioned

What the [censored] is going on here?

There’s a real issue with Rance.