Farewell Jack Watts

[spirit of norm smith 16,090]

11 hours ago, Barney Rubble said:

Since JW was drafted and the next big thing.

The only news around Melbourne was JW.

Apart from an 18 month interlude of MN antics.

Since then JW talk has overpowered everything at the club.

What has the club achieved since the Great JW arrived?

Every other player has bust a gut to get a game, he has been gifted games when anyone else would have been dropped.

Nine years is enough. I thought 2016 was a turning point. 2017 set him back 5 years.

Good Bye Jack. You are a very polite man. But you are not the 6'5" KPF we were expecting.

BR this is comical cartoon character assessment.  Not agreed. Will respond when I have some time.

[Pates 9,649]

Obviously I hope he chooses the club that's going to be able to provide the best trade potential (outside of Collingwood). 

I'm willing to back in Goodwin and co, but I really hope this isn't going to be a James McDonald-like decision that fractures the club. 

[Roger Mellie 3,938]

Trade radio reporting Watts hasn't decided which team yet. 

Makes sense. Why would he want to go to that bog hole?

[DeeZee 7,361]

He will end up in Sydney 

[Deemented Are Go! 3,677]

Just read Watts has chosen Port Adelaide (reported on SEN via afl.com) 

[chook fowler 19,429]

1 hour ago, Skuit said:

Oh, and contrary to my recent speculation, it seems this thread is a metaphysical reality:

'In a paper published in the journal Science Advances, Zohar Ringel and Dmitry Kovrizhi show that constructing a computer simulation of a particular quantum phenomenon that occurs in metals is impossible – not just practically, but in principle.

The pair initially set out to see whether it was possible to use a technique known as quantum Monte Carlo to study the quantum Hall effect – a phenomenon in physical systems that exhibit strong magnetic fields and very low temperatures, and manifests as an energy current that runs across the temperature gradient. The phenomenon indicates an anomaly in the underlying space-time geometry.

Quantum Monte Carlo methods use random sampling to analyse many-body quantum problems where the equations involved cannot be solved directly. Ringel and Kovrizhi showed that attempts to use quantum Monte Carlo to model systems exhibiting anomalies, such as the quantum Hall effect, will always become unworkable. They discovered that the complexity of the simulation increased exponentially with the number of particles being simulated.'

I humbly stand corrected, but still insist that he MFC should use the Monte Carlo method and direct-sampling to assess Jack's many-body quantum problem. Please discuss.

Isn't Monte Carlo a biscuit?

[frankie_d 1,471]

1 hour ago, Skuit said:

Oh, and contrary to my recent speculation, it seems this thread is a metaphysical reality:

'In a paper published in the journal Science Advances, Zohar Ringel and Dmitry Kovrizhi show that constructing a computer simulation of a particular quantum phenomenon that occurs in metals is impossible – not just practically, but in principle.

The pair initially set out to see whether it was possible to use a technique known as quantum Monte Carlo to study the quantum Hall effect – a phenomenon in physical systems that exhibit strong magnetic fields and very low temperatures, and manifests as an energy current that runs across the temperature gradient. The phenomenon indicates an anomaly in the underlying space-time geometry.

Quantum Monte Carlo methods use random sampling to analyse many-body quantum problems where the equations involved cannot be solved directly. Ringel and Kovrizhi showed that attempts to use quantum Monte Carlo to model systems exhibiting anomalies, such as the quantum Hall effect, will always become unworkable. They discovered that the complexity of the simulation increased exponentially with the number of particles being simulated.'

I humbly stand corrected, but still insist that he MFC should use the Monte Carlo method and direct-sampling to assess Jack's many-body quantum problem. Please discuss.

Unless P=NP, I suppose....

[Skuit 10,027]

4 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

Isn't Monte Carlo a biscuit?

I think that was the whole crux of my post.

[Whispering_Jack 29,623]

10 minutes ago, Deemented Are Go! said:

Just read Watts has chosen Port Adelaide (reported on SEN via afl.com) 

I know it's not good in football to go by gut feel but it's been my view that an interstate club was always going to be his destination, that he needs to get out of the bubble to allow his career to refresh in a different environment. Port have been mentioned around for a little while now and it wouldn't surprise if an in principle deal has already been agreed upon with perhaps some fine tuning to be done during the trade period.

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

Is he going to the B&F tonight?

 

[bing181 9,189]

4 hours ago, Akum said:

But if our coaches are blind to the holes that his going leaves, then we'll have problems.

 

But you're only taking into account the plus side of the ledger, not the minus side. What we lose when Watts leaves is the sum of his contribution, i.e. the sum of both of those - which the club obviously feels is a negative (his negative impact is greater than his positive impact). We're not just losing his good stuff, we're losing the bad/negative stuff as well.

Presumably, outcome here is net gain (subtracting a minus = a plus).

[Deemented Are Go! 3,677]

3 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

I know it's not good in football to go by gut feel but it's been my view that an interstate club was always going to be his destination, that he needs to get out of the bubble to allow his career to refresh in a different environment. Port have been mentioned around for a little while now and it wouldn't surprise if an in principle deal has already been agreed upon with perhaps some fine tuning to be done during the trade period.

I agree WJ, a fresh start out of Melbourne is what he needs I reckon. 

Good luck Jacky Boy. It's been.....real. ??

[bing181 9,189]

3 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

t's been my view that an interstate club was always going to be his destination, that he needs to get out of the bubble to allow his career to refresh in a different environment

Just think it needs to be a club with strong leadership, and not sure that's Port. Could be wrong.

I would have gone for Geelong or Sydney for those reasons. A couple of seasons back, I would have said Hawthorn, but perhaps not any more. As an aside, wonder what Lewis's role in all this is and what he feels about it. 

 

[Whispering_Jack 29,623]

From our perspective, Port Adelaide doesn't have much to offer by way of a trade. Their top three currently available draft picks are 29, 47 and 66. Unless there are some player & selection swaps involving other clubs, I don't see us benefiting from him going there as distinct from some other clubs.

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

Yep, I'd love to know what Lewis thinks.

For all the party boy stuff on Jack Watts, not many partied more than Buddy Franklin and Josh Gibson at a similar age to Watts.

That club did okay during that period.

 

[Gator 17,261]

6 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Yep, I'd love to know what Lewis thinks.

For all the party boy stuff on Jack Watts, not many partied more than Buddy Franklin and Josh Gibson at a similar age to Watts.

That club did okay during that period.

 

Supporters are not privy to players preparation, training standards or application.

Do you know the extras that players do out of hours ?  Clubs do.

[jackaub 1,402]

17 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

From our perspective, Port Adelaide doesn't have much to offer by way of a trade. Their top three currently available draft picks are 29, 47 and 66. Unless there are some player & selection swaps involving other clubs, I don't see us benefiting from him going there as distinct from some other clubs.

I also WJ

My preferred option is Jackie acccpts the kick in thearse from Goodwin knuckles down and helps us win a premiership

But I am not sure Jack sees it that clearly just now

I cant sèe what PA could offer us. Jack even in damaged condition is worth  a low 20' pick

It would be so simple  for Jack to recommitt to the Dees

 

 

Edited October 8, 2017 by jackaub

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10 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

From our perspective, Port Adelaide doesn't have much to offer by way of a trade. Their top three currently available draft picks are 29, 47 and 66. Unless there are some player & selection swaps involving other clubs, I don't see us benefiting from him going there as distinct from some other clubs.

We'd be lucky to get 29 for him. Can't make him stay after the "explore options" message. While at the same time certainly not enhancing his trade value.

From the outside it would seem like moronic work... Maybe they'll be a twist

[whatwhat say what 22,525]

if port trade impey for hawks' second round pick, i imagine that would come to us for watts

sydney still the dark horse to get him if he's reconciled to going interstate

[No10 458]

2 minutes ago, jackaub said:

I also WJ

My preferred option is Jackie acccpts the kick in thearse from Goodwin knuckles down and helps us win a premiership

But I am not sure Jack sees it that clearly just now

I cant sèe what PA could offer us. Jack even in damaged condition is worth  a low 20' pick

It would be so simple  for Jack to recommitt to the Dees

 

 

If that's the outcome they wanted then at least Jones should've been saying how important Jack is and how he wants him to stay. The messaging has been toxic. It would be embarrassing for Watts to stay now.

Perhaps we'll see a lot of back-pedalling tonight?

[buck_nekkid 5,839]

Is there a team in Byron?  Jack apparently is looking for a trade there....

[Guest]

I think Sydney would be the best fit for Jack but Port might help. 

As a non Melbourne player (which he is like it or not), I genuinely hope this is the rocket up his arze that he has needed.

There was a time for a cuddle from 2014 through early 2015 (Neeld’s approach would have left many dispirited) but Jack always needed to take responsibility for himself in the end.

Either way, the decision to lay it on the line by looking to trade him has done that.

Good luck Jack. Ball is in your court now.

[BigMacjnr 283]

16 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

if port trade impey for hawks' second round pick, i imagine that would come to us for watts

sydney still the dark horse to get him if he's reconciled to going interstate

Unfortunately Hawks traded out their second rounder last year and got back GWS's which is pick 32 before compensation picks. Doubt that will get it done. Their own pick is 29. I see JW's value as end of first round. So will need to offer both, bring in a 3rd club or add a player to get it done. 

Edited October 8, 2017 by BigMacjnr

[Maybe next year 170]

We not only lose one of our only reliable kicks at goals but we lose a character of the club who is great with kids and supporters alike. I for one am extremely disappointed and I think it shows a lack of loyalty by the club. I just hope it does not have adverse effects s like others players feeling like they can’t trust the club (eg Jesse Hogan, Oliver, etc).  Big mistake I feel

[Watts Jurrah Dunn? 735]

34 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Yep, I'd love to know what Lewis thinks.

For all the party boy stuff on Jack Watts, not many partied more than Buddy Franklin and Josh Gibson at a similar age to Watts.

That club did okay during that period.

 

Among Lewis' first impressions were that the Melbourne boys are extremely happy with themselves and know how to party.