Farewell Jack Watts

[bing181 8,357]

19 minutes ago, trout said:

On SEN's crunch time show today Robbo suggested Watts is worth a late second round pick if traded

General opinion seems to be second-rounder.

Hard to see the value in it for me, unless they're trying for some kind of cultural change and don't see Jack as being part of that. He finished the previous season at Casey, plus his off-season slackness (or whatever it was), and then dropped again this in the latter part of the season ... not a good look, especially for someone with his skills/talent.

[dees189227 11,301]

Part of me thinks he is to comfortable at melbourne and just cruising along and needs to go to another club but another part of me doesnt want him to go.

I would like to see him get the rewards and play finals with us. Plus I think he is a brilliant ball user. He rarely wastes it and when he has a shot on goal I 100% know he will kick it. 

[dees189227 11,301]

Part of me thinks he is to comfortable at melbourne and just cruising along and needs to go to another club but another part of me doesnt want him to go.

I would like to see him get the rewards and play finals with us. Plus I think he is a brilliant ball user. He rarely wastes it and when he has a shot on goal I 100% know he will kick it. 

[mordja 187]

On 9/6/2017 at 11:28 AM, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Up until his injury he was having a very good year - on top of a great 2016.  Teasing is the right word for it.

A fit and firing Watts makes us a four goal better team; when he's 'off', he's a liability.

 

I think we wear rose colored glasses with Jack.  9th year player that is unlikely to improve significantly in our team (whether he does elsewhere is irrelevant).

He had 5.7 score involvements per game this year so unless we believe we kick 80% goals per score (statistically we dont) then he doesn't add four goals.

When he goes missing he is terrible, when he plays well (maybe 10% of games) he is impressive.

If we can move Jack on and improve the overall quality of the team, I'm all for it.  There is no place for romantic notions of loyalty if we want to see a flag.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,213]

32 minutes ago, mordja said:

I think we wear rose colored glasses with Jack.  9th year player that is unlikely to improve significantly in our team (whether he does elsewhere is irrelevant).

He had 5.7 score involvements per game this year so unless we believe we kick 80% goals per score (statistically we dont) then he doesn't add four goals.

When he goes missing he is terrible, when he plays well (maybe 10% of games) he is impressive.

If we can move Jack on and improve the overall quality of the team, I'm all for it.  There is no place for romantic notions of loyalty if we want to see a flag.

So if I were to say we're a 3 goal better team, then essentially we agree..?

 

I will add though that to say any player who is regularly picked to play AFL only plays well %10 of the time is disingenuous.  If that were actually the case, he should be delisted immediately.

Edited September 16, 2017 by TeamPlayedFine39
Additional thought.

[jumbo returns 6,619]

Jack Watts should have been traded last year

And the year before that

And the year before that

And the year before that

Edited September 17, 2017 by jumbo returns

[pitmaster 3,156]

Yeah right, a team replete with turnover merchants decides to trade one of its best users of the ball.

That's what is wrong with this thread...not thought through.

[Stretch Johnson 2,603]

A high draft pick who is just about to hit his straps. 

I reckon we should keep Colin Sylvia 

[Biffen 12,560]

We throw Watts up for trade every year .

The Queens Birthday game was fairly rewarding in itself.

Force him to never miss a tackle.

Stop the public humiliation and give him the ball.

[Ethan Tremblay 28,833]

FFS just trade him so we don't have to talk about him ever again. Unless we trade him and he kicks 4 against us, then we'll never hear the end of it. 

[64" 97]

Trade him out.Bring in new blood.Ive heard all the bleeding hearts justifying his 9 years at Melbourne.He is a bloody lazy footballer who want last in Goodwins plan.

[pitmaster 3,156]

2 hours ago, 64" said:

Trade him out.Bring in new blood.Ive heard all the bleeding hearts justifying his 9 years at Melbourne.He is a bloody lazy footballer who want last in Goodwins plan.

Err...what's that? 

[Earl Hood 5,873]

2 hours ago, 64" said:

Trade him out.Bring in new blood.Ive heard all the bleeding hearts justifying his 9 years at Melbourne.He is a bloody lazy footballer who want last in Goodwins plan.

As long as you miraculously know just who to bring in and more importantly can bring in that will offer more!  Yes Jack has issues but can we possibly work on that as he has unique attributes and skills you won't pick up in the second round of any draft. A 6.5 talk player, high endurance athelete with silky kicking skills, yes they come along in every draft. If we lift our game and become genuine top 4 contenders next year, Jack can be the X factor and swing man that all finalists need. 

[JackDeMan 42]

Definitely trade him. His apparently poor preparation in the pre-season, for an experienced player. was deplorable. 

[picket fence 15,773]

I would only trade him for a player who when and If we get into a grand final has the potential to deliver the ball sublimely, Kick Crunch goals and is s silky smooth ball user.

Please feel free to insert said players here ........................................................................................................................

[Garbo 1,373]

7 minutes ago, picket fence said:

I would only trade him for a player who when and If we get into a grand final has the potential to deliver the ball sublimely, Kick Crunch goals and is s silky smooth ball user.

Please feel free to insert said players here ........................................................................................................................

He could be used as part of a trade to get Lever, if you really wanted another like Jack then pick up Menzel as a FA, they are both dead eye kicks at goal who don't tackle, he's a better contested mark than Jack but wouldn't be able to go up the ground as much.

[What 18,810]

28 minutes ago, picket fence said:

I would only trade him for a player who when and If we get into a grand final has the potential to deliver the ball sublimely, Kick Crunch goals and is s silky smooth ball user.

Please feel free to insert said players here ........................................................................................................................

We wont get close to a grand Final with Watts in the team. He would crumble in the heat of a final. Would be like playing with 21 men.

So your argument is invalid.

[Bobby McKenzie 2,268]

18 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

We wont get close to a grand Final with Watts in the team. He would crumble in the heat of a final. Would be like playing with 21 men.

So your argument is invalid.

 Disagree strongly. I believe Watts would do the opposite and play a great game in the GF. Look at the big Queens Birthday game.He certainly didn't crumble in this one. We just cannot affored to lose SKILLED foorballers. Not enough on our list.

[At the break of Gawn 3,845]

1 hour ago, Petraccattack said:

We wont get close to a grand Final with Watts in the team. He would crumble in the heat of a final. Would be like playing with 21 men.

So your argument is invalid.

And your body of evidence of that is???

Seriously, even Buddy has a questionable finals record. Don't make claims which are total BS. Kicking the winner against the pies was as finals as you get.

[At the break of Gawn 3,845]

On 9/16/2017 at 6:24 PM, WERRIDEE said:

Robbo's a muppet. I think he worth an early 2nd round pick. 

Agreed. Just wants himself to look prophetic after he wrote that article about him.

[Bobby McKenzie 2,268]

On 17/09/2017 at 8:29 AM, jumbo returns said:

Jack Watts should have been traded last year

And the year before that

And the year before that

And the year before that

LOL Not a good judge of footballers I dare say. Memory not too flash?

[binman 39,541]

3 hours ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

 Disagree strongly. I believe Watts would do the opposite and play a great game in the GF. Look at the big Queens Birthday game.He certainly didn't crumble in this one. We just cannot affored to lose SKILLED foorballers. Not enough on our list.

And not just that game. For starters  how about the 2016 gc game at the g. A must win and jw stood up wirh a clutch goal then a goal saving mark.

[Dee Zephyr 18,241]

I don't believe we would be better of without Watts unless we bring in a Toby Greene type.

Supposedly he was poor pre-season, played round 1 and never looked back until his hamstring injury. 

I remember an almost super human effort against Geelong in round 3 after Max went down. Can anyone tell me of another MFC player that could have filled the void that day with such impact?

Queens birthday speaks for itself, the week later against the Dogs he was great, kicked an important goal on the half time siren from 50m out on a pretty tight angle to halt a slight Dogs charge.

Misses the next several weeks and comes back without any real impact.

Looking at the shot on goal in the GWS game where he took a run up of about 3 steps indicates to me there was something more than a lack of desired effort, even if i wasn't trying I would not make it that obvious.

I much prefer the I salute Jack Watts thread of several weeks ago. 

[Cards13 9,117]

Jonesy was pretty strong on his assessment of Watts on SEN this morning. Preparation not good enough, many years in the system needs to improve it and so does "team". Compared him to Clarry after his stuff and and how far apart they were.

 

[drdrake 3,062]

Watts unfortunately just isn't doesn't have that competitive drive.  A naturally talented person, seems like a really good bloke but the type that expects his talent will get him through and so far it has he has played 153 games.  He is one of the few players that can actually kick the football on our list and this is the main issue.  You trade Watts it doesn't leave us with many players that really have elite foot skills.  Watts and Salem are our only players that have elite foot skills.

So can Watt's fix his attitude or get someone else in that can kick the footy that has the right attitude.  The club needs to make a tough call