Dom Tyson

[Lucifers Hero 36,998]

He seems to have plateaued over the last year or so.  Not sure if that is the role he is being asked to play or if injuries are catching up. 

He needs to reinvent himself because he has more talent than Harmes and technically should be picked first. Also, needs more strings to replace Vince or Lewis in the side. And if we get Gaff it will be that bit harder for Tyson.

A reason he came to us was to get games.  I would be surprised if he would now be happy relying on injuries to get a game.  As the article says he has yet to reach his peak.  So if he doesn't become a regular again I would expect him to go elsewhere.

I wouldn't begrudge him that. 

Edited June 1, 2018 by Lucifer's Hero

[ProperDee 1,698]

Learning to kick off his right foot might be a start to the reinvention.

[Sideshow Bob 2,156]

I wonder if he could be moulded into a half back general to take over the reigns from Vince and Lewis in the coming years

[buck_nekkid 5,479]

Earlier in the year it was Angus that couldn’t get a game.  When chosen by the club- when they thought he was ready- he has been a revelation.  Time for Dom to work his way back in.  

At the minimum, he is a high quality backup for injury or form issues.

[Lampers 563]

I'm mildly surprised Dom wasn't offloaded in last year's trade period as all the signs were there of value for all potential parties.

I see him as a solid 6-7/10 across many facets you require in a midfielder.

Melbourne are now looking to become and maintain at next level contender, so need more 8-9/10 in key areas even if those guys are 3-4/10 in different areas - in other words, role players to surround the true stars. Think Hannan, Harmes, Fritsch. Carlton desperately need experience and reliability to surround their developing youth talent - they are where Melbourne were when Tyson arrived. In other words, Tyson is genuine depth at Melbourne, he doesn't fit lock best 22 anymore which is more a function of the team developing than Tyson going significantly backwards.

Trading is all about value, so look at it from Melbourne and Carlton's perspectives as well as Tyson's across other aspects.

Carlton don't need heaps of 18-20 year old talents and will continue to get enough talented juniors through their likely finishing positions. Melbourne want to keep the pipeline of quality juniors coming in with an eye to the future, however are hamstrung having traded away first rounders for Lever plus likely finishing positions limiting draft picks. Melbourne value draft picks around the late teen or early 20s far more than Carlton do.

Carlton don't (shouldn't) have salary cap concerns. Melbourne do, especially if they want Gaff (see the Watts deal last year for an example of salary cap free up being part of the deal). If Tyson is on 400-450k, that freed room is value to Melbourne, more so if Gaff is a possibility.

A left field one. Do Carlton (or Essendon or St.Kilda) have a ~27-28 year old player that would be a great fit for Melbourne for 2019 and the next few years? I can't immediately think of one, but that could be value to Melbourne more than that player is value to Carlton or the other struggler clubs. Think a replacement for Vince/Lewis or a solid small defender in case Jetta goes down. If Kade Simpson was a bit younger. Or potentially shake a wayward talent like Billings out of the Saints.

Finally what is Tyson's attitude? He has shown he is not afraid to do what he wants to further his agenda. He agreed to the trade from GWS to Melbourne. He was very vocal about the training camp in late 2016 where he got injured. He appears to have high confidence on the field. Does his ego allow him to be depth and maybe get finals (and dare I say it, premiership opportunity) but reliant on form and injury of others - while taking a lesser salary than he could command elsewhere? Or is he happy to go to Carlton, get a $150k per year bump and a guaranteed AFL best 22 spot? Who knows what value is for Tyson the individual aside from him and probably Melbourne? He is contracted to Melbourne until the end of 2019 so there is advantage to the Demons there for this upcoming trade period, but that lessens for 2019 trade period.

I believe this will hinge on whether Melbourne will get Gaff in which case Tyson will be shopped hard, and if Gaff is not on it will be down to Tyson's perspective and attitude.

Too many planets are aligning for nothing to happen here.

[TRIGON 4,715]

Clubs that’s need an inside mid like Dom: Essendon, Carlton and (ironically) GWS.

Edited June 1, 2018 by TRIGON

[GCDee 3,006]

Would not trade. 

If one of our current mids goes down he will be the first cab of the rank. 

We cant rely on a golden injury run all the time 

[Deemania since 56 6,132]

On 5/15/2018 at 10:13 AM, Red and Blue realist said:

This is exactly what Tyson has been doing the last few weeks, he's been nearly playing wing/back flank and been involved in a lot of movement away from the back 50. He was very prominent early in the game against GC, but in the second half the ball barely got down there so he wasn't involved as much. 

Another thing that annoys me is trying to define a permanent set role for a player, we know OMac, Hibberd, Lever and Jetta will be defenders but just about every other position is flexible and fluid during the game, even big Maxy positions himself as a forward multiple times during a game. We've seen Hogan attend center bounces, TMac start on the wing, Harmes at full forward, Spargo/Hannan/Melky run off the back of the square just for examples of players who are thought of as one particular type of player. Players will spend more time in one area than another, but to say someone is directly taking another players role is like expecting the team to line up in the exact position they are named on Thursday nights. 

Allocated positions for players seem to be a thing of the past and this versatility must be good - and confusing for opposition teams. It has developed, very quickly, providing far more options for possession and driving the ball where it is needed. It also challenges more of the range of skills of each player - to do other things than man an area or a specific opponent.It also provides a springboard for players to run off into space more frequently as a receiver of something upfield. It is a very interesting change that makes our game more flexible, agile and tests 'whole' skills sets to enact. This has markedly improved the reliability and skills levels of every player - and has done so in a rather short period of time. 

[Deemania since 56 6,132]

1 hour ago, Lampers said:

I'm mildly surprised Dom wasn't offloaded in last year's trade period as all the signs were there of value for all potential parties.

I see him as a solid 6-7/10 across many facets you require in a midfielder.

Melbourne are now looking to become and maintain at next level contender, so need more 8-9/10 in key areas even if those guys are 3-4/10 in different areas - in other words, role players to surround the true stars. Think Hannan, Harmes, Fritsch. Carlton desperately need experience and reliability to surround their developing youth talent - they are where Melbourne were when Tyson arrived. In other words, Tyson is genuine depth at Melbourne, he doesn't fit lock best 22 anymore which is more a function of the team developing than Tyson going significantly backwards.

Trading is all about value, so look at it from Melbourne and Carlton's perspectives as well as Tyson's across other aspects.

Carlton don't need heaps of 18-20 year old talents and will continue to get enough talented juniors through their likely finishing positions. Melbourne want to keep the pipeline of quality juniors coming in with an eye to the future, however are hamstrung having traded away first rounders for Lever plus likely finishing positions limiting draft picks. Melbourne value draft picks around the late teen or early 20s far more than Carlton do.

Carlton don't (shouldn't) have salary cap concerns. Melbourne do, especially if they want Gaff (see the Watts deal last year for an example of salary cap free up being part of the deal). If Tyson is on 400-450k, that freed room is value to Melbourne, more so if Gaff is a possibility.

A left field one. Do Carlton (or Essendon or St.Kilda) have a ~27-28 year old player that would be a great fit for Melbourne for 2019 and the next few years? I can't immediately think of one, but that could be value to Melbourne more than that player is value to Carlton or the other struggler clubs. Think a replacement for Vince/Lewis or a solid small defender in case Jetta goes down. If Kade Simpson was a bit younger. Or potentially shake a wayward talent like Billings out of the Saints.

Finally what is Tyson's attitude? He has shown he is not afraid to do what he wants to further his agenda. He agreed to the trade from GWS to Melbourne. He was very vocal about the training camp in late 2016 where he got injured. He appears to have high confidence on the field. Does his ego allow him to be depth and maybe get finals (and dare I say it, premiership opportunity) but reliant on form and injury of others - while taking a lesser salary than he could command elsewhere? Or is he happy to go to Carlton, get a $150k per year bump and a guaranteed AFL best 22 spot? Who knows what value is for Tyson the individual aside from him and probably Melbourne? He is contracted to Melbourne until the end of 2019 so there is advantage to the Demons there for this upcoming trade period, but that lessens for 2019 trade period.

I believe this will hinge on whether Melbourne will get Gaff in which case Tyson will be shopped hard, and if Gaff is not on it will be down to Tyson's perspective and attitude.

Too many planets are aligning for nothing to happen here.

Some very good insight, here. Well done.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

It's genuinely unbelievable that I'm still hearing posters say he's best 22 when he's running around at Casey and we have no injuries. 

He was pushed out of the square when we got better quality into our club. And he was pushed off a wing when we saw how little he was giving the team in that role and Goody realised how much better we worked with some others playing there. 

He is extremely limited as a player and the Dom Tyson fan club need to realise that the MFC's fortunes are more important than Dom's. Nice guy, average player. 

Time to get over it and enjoy the fact that the team is playing great footy. 

 

 

[Deemania since 56 6,132]

1 hour ago, jako13 said:

I wonder if he could be moulded into a half back general to take over the reigns from Vince and Lewis in the coming years

He is a talented and adaptable footballer who possibly needs his game function and skills tweaked a little to suit the newer gamestyle. He has been a very good ball winner, as well. I'd reckon he will be back with a vengeance before the end of this season, transforming into an even better ball winner and deliverer of the pill; his game is not really losing it - we are losing his skills and drive whilst adaptation takes place. He could almost be regarded, now, as a 'senior' member of the team line-up and maybe this could be better exploited. 

[Miles from Nowhere 199]

The issue for Dom is that he has not improved.  Like a lot of left sided players he came to the club with no right foot.  And he has no second string to his bow.  Hell, with much of his disposal he hasn't even got a first string.

[jacey 333]

38 minutes ago, GCDee said:

Would not trade. 

If one of our current mids goes down he will be the first cab of the rank. 

We cant rely on a golden injury run all the time 

Considering the money he is on, he is best 22 or on another list. 

Dom, Jeff, jayden should be best 22 on talent but our team is more evolved than that now. 

[Elegt 872]

good trade bait. could get a late second rounder

[jumbo returns 6,486]

Why is it that every player who's out of form is all of a sudden:

1. Not best 22

2. I think we'll see him in different colours next year

3. What the???

[What 18,810]

5 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Why is it that every player who's out of form is all of a sudden:

1. Not best 22

2. I think we'll see him in different colours next year

3. What the???

Well we are loaded with big bodied ball winning mids, JR.   Thats the only role Dom can play and hes about 10th in line. 

He will be in demand from other teams like the Bombers, Carlton and a few others, so we should strike whole the iron is hot.

And may need to free up cash to land Gaff or another big fish we are into. - or who are into us.

[jumbo returns 6,486]

11 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Well we are loaded with big bodied ball winning mids, JR.   Thats the only role Dom can play and hes about 10th in line. 

He will be in demand from other teams like the Bombers, Carlton and a few others, so we should strike whole the iron is hot.

And may need to free up cash to land Gaff or another big fish we are into. - or who are into us.

I'm hearing you, but there were posts not so long ago that were titled 'Thank God for Dom Tyson' - he's just out of form at the moment and the coaches have given him feedback on what he needs to work on

I think he'll be back this year at some stage

[Brayshaw Self 847]

Straight swap for Ed Langdon.

[Wiseblood 24,636]

3 hours ago, GCDee said:

Would not trade. 

If one of our current mids goes down he will be the first cab of the rank. 

We cant rely on a golden injury run all the time 

True, but a golden injury run can force players to look elsewhere.  Dom may see the writing on the wall and ask for a trade if an attractive offer comes his way.  He is signed until the end of next year so he will probably see his contract out, but while he is very good for our depth we can't expect a bloke with plenty of footy left in him to hang around waiting for a chance.

[jumbo returns 6,486]

2 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

True, but a golden injury run can force players to look elsewhere.  Dom may see the writing on the wall and ask for a trade if an attractive offer comes his way.  He is signed until the end of next year so he will probably see his contract out, but while he is very good for our depth we can't expect a bloke with plenty of footy left in him to hang around waiting for a chance.

Depends on his own altruism and motivation

Does he play for the coin? Or success? He was with Roos in the first couple of years where the team and culture was being built - now, on the verge of (touch wood) success, does he want to be belted every week again?

[Mach5 4,482]

45 minutes ago, Brayshaw Self said:

Straight swap for Ed Langdon.

 

Some sort of obscure joke..?

[Brayshaw Self 847]

23 hours ago, Mach5 said:

 

Some sort of obscure joke..?

Not at all mate. Get your hand off it.
Trade a surplus with value for a need with similar value. You must not be paying much attention this year.

[Lord Travis 10,163]

Wouldn't trade him unless we got a late first round-early second round pick. He's a pick 3 who's had 2 top 5 BnF finishes for us in 4-5 seasons. He's out of favour and form at the moment, but would be a starting centre square midfielder for most other clubs. It's not worth giving him up unless we get late first round-early 2nd round pick IMO. He's worth far more to us as depth, and would be one of the best midfielders in the league not currently getting a game.

[Binmans PA 26,020]

On 6/2/2018 at 8:00 AM, Lampers said:

I'm mildly surprised Dom wasn't offloaded in last year's trade period as all the signs were there of value for all potential parties.

I see him as a solid 6-7/10 across many facets you require in a midfielder.

Melbourne are now looking to become and maintain at next level contender, so need more 8-9/10 in key areas even if those guys are 3-4/10 in different areas - in other words, role players to surround the true stars. Think Hannan, Harmes, Fritsch. Carlton desperately need experience and reliability to surround their developing youth talent - they are where Melbourne were when Tyson arrived. In other words, Tyson is genuine depth at Melbourne, he doesn't fit lock best 22 anymore which is more a function of the team developing than Tyson going significantly backwards.

Trading is all about value, so look at it from Melbourne and Carlton's perspectives as well as Tyson's across other aspects.

Carlton don't need heaps of 18-20 year old talents and will continue to get enough talented juniors through their likely finishing positions. Melbourne want to keep the pipeline of quality juniors coming in with an eye to the future, however are hamstrung having traded away first rounders for Lever plus likely finishing positions limiting draft picks. Melbourne value draft picks around the late teen or early 20s far more than Carlton do.

Carlton don't (shouldn't) have salary cap concerns. Melbourne do, especially if they want Gaff (see the Watts deal last year for an example of salary cap free up being part of the deal). If Tyson is on 400-450k, that freed room is value to Melbourne, more so if Gaff is a possibility.

A left field one. Do Carlton (or Essendon or St.Kilda) have a ~27-28 year old player that would be a great fit for Melbourne for 2019 and the next few years? I can't immediately think of one, but that could be value to Melbourne more than that player is value to Carlton or the other struggler clubs. Think a replacement for Vince/Lewis or a solid small defender in case Jetta goes down. If Kade Simpson was a bit younger. Or potentially shake a wayward talent like Billings out of the Saints.

Finally what is Tyson's attitude? He has shown he is not afraid to do what he wants to further his agenda. He agreed to the trade from GWS to Melbourne. He was very vocal about the training camp in late 2016 where he got injured. He appears to have high confidence on the field. Does his ego allow him to be depth and maybe get finals (and dare I say it, premiership opportunity) but reliant on form and injury of others - while taking a lesser salary than he could command elsewhere? Or is he happy to go to Carlton, get a $150k per year bump and a guaranteed AFL best 22 spot? Who knows what value is for Tyson the individual aside from him and probably Melbourne? He is contracted to Melbourne until the end of 2019 so there is advantage to the Demons there for this upcoming trade period, but that lessens for 2019 trade period.

I believe this will hinge on whether Melbourne will get Gaff in which case Tyson will be shopped hard, and if Gaff is not on it will be down to Tyson's perspective and attitude.

Too many planets are aligning for nothing to happen here.

Agree with most of this, except for the point about Watts being traded for cap space. Jack was traded for game style and application.

[bringbackthebiff 643]

Lever proves you need depth. I reckon we need to keep.