Changes for Round 2 v Carlton

[DeeSpencer 23,134]

21 minutes ago, Wunders said:

Garlett, Kent, Hannan, Petracca, Watts & Hogan is now my favorite forward line (i want the forward pressure & i think hannan's skills clearly put him above VDB). Last year Kent was always the guy running from one lose defender to the next (when they had the ball and were switching) and his speed between players helped defensively pressure the kicks like essendon's tipinwoodi (however its spelt).

I don't know if he should come in this week, but i see Kent in the team by the week after if not.

Kent's good at that kind of catch up pressure, but it shows how far off it the forward line was last year, particularly due to the defensive efforts of Hogan and Watts being rather poor and Garlett having some really down weeks. 

What we really want is as soon as the other team gets the ball that all forwards number off straight on to their opponents (not direct opponents but 1 for 1) and then the team doesn't have an outlet. ANB's fitness meant he jumped straight on to Savage, Webster or Roberton or whomever was going to be loose. Jeffy was on his game. Hannan and Petracca have that fast twitch movement to grab a guy and Watts and Hogan have clearly been told to keep on their man. 

Kent's great at chasing someone down but he has to change directions and keep digging in for those first few quick steps to make sure he's on the ball. As a midfielder I think ANB Is faster at recognising play and changing from attacking to defending because that's what midfielders do at stoppages all the time. A bit of time on ball at Casey would probably be good for Kent's development. So many teams now use a midfielder (or multiple mids) at half forward - Kieran Jack, Toby Greene, any number of Bulldogs players etc not just as a rotation spot but in a designated spot due to their ball finding and defensive skills.

[binman 38,165]

3 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

The merry-go-round will continue on the Oscar debate.

O-Mac gets games because: A) Clearly the coaches believe in his long term success and B) We have nobody else on our list as replacement discounting Frost. (Injured).

Therefore he is an outlier in that he will continue to get games, regardless of immediate form. At any other club, he'd be playing reserves on current form I understand this idea doesn't compute for some posters who continue to defend at all costs. 

But it's the fact of the matter.

He is currently nowhere near the required standard.

Completely disagree about your hypothesis as to why he gets selected and that he 'nowhere near the required standard'. In regard to the latter, with respect, it is complete nonsense to say 'its the fact of the matter'.

Clearly Goodwin shares my opinion as there is no way on god's good earth he would select a player who was 'nowhere near the required standard'. No way. Winning this game was critical. As if they would have selected a player who they thought was not up to AFL standard. Sheesh.

Goodwin selects OMac because he believes he fully deserves his spot. The time has (largely) passed for selecting for the future. The one exception to that rule in my book is Weideman, who is good structurally but is borderline in terms of  being a better selection that Pederson. By the by i'm happy for weeds to be in the side.

Omac can play the zone defense properly and i have no doubt Goodwin was behind his early inclusion last year at the expense of Dunn. 

[What 18,810]

Bernie is out, copped 1 week.

In -     Tyson,  Bugg

Out -  Smith,  Vince

 

Edit   -  Bugg in instead of Kent

We need a defensive minded player.

Edited March 27, 2017 by Petraccattack

[DemonLad5 1,640]

Our defence is gonna be in big trouble

[DeeSpencer 23,134]

2 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

Our defence is gonna be in big trouble

Lewis and Salem spending more time there might be a blessing in disguise as they'll give us composure but if Tyson and Bugg come in to the midfield then we've lost a bit of class in there. 

Harmes as a like for like Bernie replacement - hard runner, pacey, variable kicking - might be the option instead of Bugg. Or we might try something a little more creative like Brayshaw to half back and Kent at half forward. 

[DemonLad5 1,640]

Really wish Wagner was fit

[DemonLad5 1,640]

1 minute ago, DeeSpencer said:

Lewis and Salem spending more time there might be a blessing in disguise as they'll give us composure but if Tyson and Bugg come in to the midfield then we've lost a bit of class in there. 

Harmes as a like for like Bernie replacement - hard runner, pacey, variable kicking - might be the option instead of Bugg. Or we might try something a little more creative like Brayshaw to half back and Kent at half forward. 

Comparing Harmes and Bernie is an insult to Bernie

[Wunders 385]

6 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

Our defence is gonna be in big trouble

Disagree.

1. Don't think the ball will be down there much for us to worry.
2. We played 8 defenders against St Kilda and if we do the same here it won't matter.
3. Carlton's forward line isn't very good at the moment.

[sisso 2,388]

Probably a good week to get Carlton (not that we can afford to take them lightly)....Lewis and Jones can play more of Bernies set up role across half back if Tyson comes in to bolster the midfield

[P-man 13,168]

10 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

Our defence is gonna be in big trouble

I think it basically just means Lewis will spend more time back there this week.

[Mazer Rackham 14,969]

6 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Harmes as a like for like Bernie replacement - hard runner, pacey, variable kicking - might be the option instead of Bugg.

The Bugger is the better player. More consistent and gets up the oppo noses too.

[DemonLad5 1,640]

Hopefully another hoodoo broken on the weekend

Have not been 2-0 in a season for 12 years

[DemonLad5 1,640]

IN: Tyson, Bugg

OUT: Vince (susp), Smith (inj)

[Cards13 9,117]

6 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

He's the fake tough guy champion of the league, taking the crown from Lynden Dunn who is now the VFL champ after his Lin Jong efforts in the VFL grand final. $1.01 he drops a mark or fumbles a ground ball under pressure in the coming weeks.

He was a good contributor on the weekend, don't let your preconceptions get in the way DeeSpen

[stynewillalwaysbeonthevine 84]

Does anyone have any factual information on the length of injuries to hibberd, Wagner and frost?

 

[DemonLad5 1,640]

1 minute ago, stynewillalwaysbeonthevine said:

Does anyone have any factual information on the length of injuries to hibberd, Wagner and frost?

 

Hibberd and Wags still a few weeks away, no idea if Frost played VFL on the weekend

[rjay 23,922]

1 minute ago, stynewillalwaysbeonthevine said:

Does anyone have any factual information on the length of injuries to hibberd, Wagner and frost?

 

Misson, but he's not telling...

[Deestroy All 14,262]

Apparently someone tweeted this morning that Hogan was on crutches. I can't find a single thing about it anywhere so I assume it's bs. Anyone know anything?

[stynewillalwaysbeonthevine 84]

2 minutes ago, rjay said:

Misson, but he's not telling...

I swear misson and burgs don't get along... haven't seen an injury report go longer than a minute 30

[bing181 8,167]

13 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

Hibberd and Wags still a few weeks away, no idea if Frost played VFL on the weekend

Apparently not. Was mentioned somewhere here re the Casey game. Don't quote me though. Whatever happened, I'd be very surprised if Frost was ready.

[bing181 8,167]

17 minutes ago, stynewillalwaysbeonthevine said:

Does anyone have any factual information on the length of injuries to hibberd, Wagner and frost?

 

Wagner back training but will need a couple of weeks. Hibberd has an archilles problem, due to restart training, will also need a couple of weeks. Then, both will need games at Casey. Hard to see them being ready inside a month.

Frost is close to resuming, was half-expected at Casey on the weekend, presumable will start playing again next week. But as above, then needs match fitness.

Info on the site from last week, imagine we'll get an update over the next couple of days, together with news on Smith, but his looks much more long-term.

[chook fowler 18,243]

I think Kent is definitely in our best 22 and he did well at Casey. My tip is Tyson and Kent in. Lewis, Salem, Jetta and Hunt down back. I wonder if Watts might also spend sometime in the backline.

[Leoncelli_36 2,264]

32 minutes ago, Deestroy All said:

Apparently someone tweeted this morning that Hogan was on crutches. I can't find a single thing about it anywhere so I assume it's bs. Anyone know anything?

Bull [censored]

[Hellish Inferno 992]

Just looking at the stats from Round 1. Docherty and Simpson were 12th and 13th in the AFL for metres gained with 598 and 594 metres respectively. The best Melbourne player was Petracca with 437 metres. I guess it depends on gamestyle (which might explain why we are lower due to the higher number of shorter kicks and sharing it around) but if we can limit the influence of these two (defensive forward) the Blues will find it hard to get the ball into their forward half. Who's up for the job? ANB and Hannan? Or Bugg comes in for Smith/Bernie?

Edited March 27, 2017 by TheCurseisBroken

[Roger Mellie 3,503]

1 hour ago, DemonLad5 said:

Our defence is gonna be in big trouble

From who?