Grand Final Squad of 2000 vs Now

[Engorged Onion 10,215]

It is so nice to be genuinely excited again about the 'potential' of our list.

Who would you keep, and who would you omit?

I rekon there are only 9 in the 2000 that wouldn't be superseded, 

Yze, Green,Schwarz, Neitz, Roberston,White (now 2nd ruck) Farmer, Leoncelli (under rated) and S.Febey - and I wouldn't have Trapper.

26 Daniel Ward	27 Anthony Ingerson	44 Alistair Nicholson
HB:	42 Peter Walsh	28 Matthew Collins	21 Steven Febey
C:	13 Adem Yze	22 Shane Woewodin	35 Anthony McDonald
HF:	18 Brad Green	5 David Schwarz	7 Stephen Powell
F:	24 Russell Robertson	9 David Neitz (c)	33 Jeff Farmer
Foll:	34 Jeff White	43 Guy Rigoni	36 Andrew Leoncelli
Int:	4 Brent Grgic	16 Travis Johnstone	47 Ben Beams
	46 Troy Simmonds

 

and on a side note - Jeff Farmer kicked 76 that year...

Edited February 12, 2017 by Danelska

[dieter 3,325]

21 minutes ago, Danelska said:

It is so nice to be genuinely excited again about the 'potential' of our list.

Who would you keep, and who would you omit?

I rekon there are only 9 in the 2000 that wouldn't be superseded, 

Yze, Green,Schwarz, Neitz, Roberston,White (now 2nd ruck) Farmer, Leoncelli (under rated) and S.Febey - and I wouldn't have Trapper.

26 Daniel Ward	27 Anthony Ingerson	44 Alistair Nicholson
HB:	42 Peter Walsh	28 Matthew Collins	21 Steven Febey
C:	13 Adem Yze	22 Shane Woewodin	35 Anthony McDonald
HF:	18 Brad Green	5 David Schwarz	7 Stephen Powell
F:	24 Russell Robertson	9 David Neitz (c)	33 Jeff Farmer
Foll:	34 Jeff White	43 Guy Rigoni	36 Andrew Leoncelli
Int:	4 Brent Grgic	16 Travis Johnstone	47 Ben Beams
	46 Troy Simmonds

 

and on a side note - Jeff Farmer kicked 76 that year...

I'll take Ingerson over any tall back on our present list...

[Watts the matter 1,235]

30 minutes ago, Danelska said:

It is so nice to be genuinely excited again about the 'potential' of our list.

Who would you keep, and who would you omit?

I rekon there are only 9 in the 2000 that wouldn't be superseded, 

Yze, Green,Schwarz, Neitz, Roberston,White (now 2nd ruck) Farmer, Leoncelli (under rated) and S.Febey - and I wouldn't have Trapper.

26 Daniel Ward	27 Anthony Ingerson	44 Alistair Nicholson
HB:	42 Peter Walsh	28 Matthew Collins	21 Steven Febey
C:	13 Adem Yze	22 Shane Woewodin	35 Anthony McDonald
HF:	18 Brad Green	5 David Schwarz	7 Stephen Powell
F:	24 Russell Robertson	9 David Neitz (c)	33 Jeff Farmer
Foll:	34 Jeff White	43 Guy Rigoni	36 Andrew Leoncelli
Int:	4 Brent Grgic	16 Travis Johnstone	47 Ben Beams
	46 Troy Simmonds

 

and on a side note - Jeff Farmer kicked 76 that year...

Are you basing this on their career output or 2000 seasons?

 

Must be the former as you've left out the brownlow medalist. 

[Guest]

Let's actually see if our current squad do anything before we talk about them being better than the 2000 squad.
2010-2011 stings a bit too much for mine.

[Lord Travis 10,730]

Our current team have achieved nothing yet. Haven't made finals, haven't even had a positive win loss ratio. It's utterly disrespectful to even compare them to a team that made a grand final and provided some of the best wins we've had in decades, as well as some brilliant individual performances (e.g. Woe winning a Brownlow, Farmer kicking 76 goals and tearing games apart).

That 2000 team was great. Our current team have a ways to go before even being considered anything more than average. 

[Engorged Onion 10,215]

7 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Our current team have achieved nothing yet. Haven't made finals, haven't even had a positive win loss ratio. It's utterly disrespectful to even compare them to a team that made a grand final and provided some of the best wins we've had in decades, as well as some brilliant individual performances (e.g. Woe winning a Brownlow, Farmer kicking 76 goals and tearing games apart).

That 2000 team was great. Our current team have a ways to go before even being considered anything more than average. 

Ahh, the beauty of a hypothetical - its pub talk LT - surely it's ok to ponder these things. Not that I am getting ahead with the current list - because, you know, I've [censored] lived the past 40 years also with the pain and the suffering... was the intensity because I didn't include Travis  

[Mickey 4,684]

What I wouldn't give to have Neita in the team, even at CHB. My favourite player of all time

[Wiseblood 24,637]

59 minutes ago, dieter said:

I'll take Ingerson over any tall back on our present list...

Which is interesting when you consider how much we get stuck into someone like Tom McDonald for his kicking, yet Ingerson was an extremely average kick at best.  He was a terrific CHB though.

Lots of good memories of that year.  Hopefully we have another one like it just around the corner.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,508]

Whelan.      Ingerson.     Jetta.  
Febey.         McDonald.   Yze. 
Woewodin.  Viney.          Powell.  
Watts.          Hogan.        Robertson.  
Farmer.        Neitz.           Petracca. 
Gawn.          Jones.          Leoncelli. 

White.     Tyson.     Lewis.    Vince. 

 

Based on their form/level in 2000, so apologies to Johnstone, Green, Ox and Bruce.

Petracca is lucky to be there, but it would be amazing to see him and Farmer standing either side of Neitz.

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

40 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Whelan.      Ingerson.     Jetta.  
Febey.         McDonald.   Yze. 
Woewodin.  Viney.          Powell.  
Watts.          Hogan.        Robertson.  
Farmer.        Neitz.           Petracca. 
Gawn.          Jones.          Leoncelli. 

White.     Tyson.     Lewis.    Vince. 

 

Based on their form/level in 2000, so apologies to Johnstone, Green, Ox and Bruce.

Petracca is lucky to be there, but it would be amazing to see him and Farmer standing either side of Neitz.

You picked a good side here. I really want to get the Ox in there but who comes out!!

[Lord Travis 10,730]

1 hour ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Whelan.      Ingerson.     Jetta.  
Febey.         McDonald.   Yze. 
Woewodin.  Viney.          Powell.  
Watts.          Hogan.        Robertson.  
Farmer.        Neitz.           Petracca. 
Gawn.          Jones.          Leoncelli. 

White.     Tyson.     Lewis.    Vince. 

 

Based on their form/level in 2000, so apologies to Johnstone, Green, Ox and Bruce.

Petracca is lucky to be there, but it would be amazing to see him and Farmer standing either side of Neitz.

Based on 2000 form both Bruce and Green came into the side and were instrumental in winning finals and getting us into a Grand Final. As talented as he may be, Petracca has achieved nothing yet and isn't a patch on any of the players listed.

[Diamond_Jim 12,590]

Ask me when this team has made a grand final

The 2000 team was not perfect but they had a will to win that was seemingly forgotten by the present team in the last two rounds of 2016

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,508]

43 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Based on 2000 form both Bruce and Green came into the side and were instrumental in winning finals and getting us into a Grand Final. As talented as he may be, Petracca has achieved nothing yet and isn't a patch on any of the players listed.

I don't disagree, and Bruce and Green went a long way towards winning us the final against Carlton.  However putting either of them in that forwards line probably makes it a little slow and top heavy- they'd be in competition with Watts and Robertson.

Green and Bruce of 2002-06 may have those two covered, but they weren't at that level in 2000.

 

And of course, it's all in fun and purely hypothetical... kinda like the stuff you find on an online supporters' forum.

[RalphiusMaximus 6,053]

I'd be very tempted to play Neitz at CHB.  He along with TMac and Ingerson would be a very handy set of tall defenders.  Then take your pick from Whelan, Jetta, Febey, Yze etc as smalls and you'd have a flag-winning defence. 

I do have to say that it's a pity the timing wasn't slightly better.  Imagine having both Vineys in the one side. 

[Little Goffy 14,568]

Its a bit like comparing Daniher and Goodwin as coaches.

Fact is, all but about four of those players in the Grand Final team played long and respectable AFL careers.

Interestingly, for very few of those players was the grand final around a midpoint in their career. Most either had only a few more years left, or had only been around a few years by 2000. Main exceptions would be Neitz, Farmer, White, and Leoncelli. Essendon had maybe only a couple more players in that mid-career point, but a whole big mature group that played about four more seasons after 2000.

Got me to thinking about the present situation for us.

Let's imagine for a moment that things go approximately to plan for us, and in the next 2-3 years we reach a point where we are seriously contending.

We'd have just a few players in the Shane Crawford age range of 'win a premiership, retire happy' - Jones, Vince, Pederson, and Lewis.

Hibberd, Jetta and Garlett would be approaching or reaching 30.

Watts, Melksham, Gawn, T. McDonald, Vandeberg and Trengove would still only be around 27-28.

Pretty much everyone else would be feeling confident they still had more than half their career games left to play, but would also have 75-125 games under their belt.

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,842]

12 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Petracca is lucky to be there, but it would be amazing to see him and Farmer standing either side of Neitz.

Absolutely he is.

[Skuit 10,031]

I must be the only one who doesn't reflect so fondly on Anthony Ingerson. During a time of some seriously talented defenders I was always a bit disappointed in our KPD stocks. 

Edited February 12, 2017 by Skuit

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

Powell was underrated IMO.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,787]

12 hours ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

I'd be very tempted to play Neitz at CHB.  He along with TMac and Ingerson would be a very handy set of tall defenders.  Then take your pick from Whelan, Jetta, Febey, Yze etc as smalls and you'd have a flag-winning defence. 

I do have to say that it's a pity the timing wasn't slightly better.  Imagine having both Vineys in the one side. 

It's more about biology than timing. 

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,508]

1 hour ago, Choke said:

Powell was underrated IMO.

He was great for us in 2000- aggressive, big bodied, goal-kicking mid who stood up in finals.  Was devo when he crossed to stkilda, where he carried on doing the same there.

[praha 11,240]

2000 was fun but I thought 1998 and 1994 were better seasons. At least in my life time I have more memories from those two seasons than I do from 2000. Think our 1994 had the biggest potential for greatness out of our best sides from the past 20-odd years.

[Engorged Onion 10,215]

53 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

It's more about biology than timing. 

Dry.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,508]

7 minutes ago, praha said:

2000 was fun but I thought 1998 and 1994 were better seasons. At least in my life time I have more memories from those two seasons than I do from 2000. Think our 1994 had the biggest potential for greatness out of our best sides from the past 20-odd years.

I feel that in 1998 and 2006 we were a genuine chance to pinch a premiership.  In '94 no one could get close to west Coast and same goes for Essendon in 2000- they were both a cut above the nearest competition.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,787]

13 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I feel that in 1998 and 2006 we were a genuine chance to pinch a premiership.  In '94 no one could get close to west Coast and same goes for Essendon in 2000- they were both a cut above the nearest competition.

I'd suggest that the two best teams in a single year out of the last 40 years were probably Hawthorn in 1988 and Essendon in 2000. We timed our challenges for the wrong years.

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

13 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I feel that in 1998 and 2006 we were a genuine chance to pinch a premiership.  In '94 no one could get close to west Coast and same goes for Essendon in 2000- they were both a cut above the nearest competition.

I agree.

2000 was the only GF I've ever been to, and I came in knowing we didn't have much of a chance. I wasn't devastated when we lost, because I knew how good we'd be the next season.

Got to laugh... right?

No?

Yeah maybe not.