VFL FINALS WEEK 3

[Drunkn167 5,093]

1 hour ago, Members' Wing said:

Don't really fancy scrolling back 12 pages, does anyone know why Dawes and JKH didn't play and Hulett played 2's?

Dawes hasn't played for about 3 months now, not sure why. JKH didn't qualify for finals, as he missed too many games through injuries, and Hulett was ill so they thought it best to let him run a half-intensity game in the 2's before coming back into the 1's next week.

[whatwhat say what 22,303]

any reports of final stats as yet?

 

vfl have listed oliver, dunn, anb, j smith, t smith and hutchins as casey's top 6 players.

[rjay 24,677]

One thing I've really noticed in his VFL games recently is that Clayton Oliver is an excellent kick off both feet.

[DeeSpencer 24,898]

6 minutes ago, rjay said:

One thing I've really noticed in his VFL games recently is that Clayton Oliver is an excellent kick off both feet.

I can't remember him kicking off his left aside from a nice snap out of a pack. He does kick nicely on his right and part of him going back to the VFL I think should be to encourage him to kick more. The other thing I really want to see is him handballing on his left. If he can use his left hand then with his vision and movement in close the sky is the limit.

[martin 727]

Is Oliver in trouble for the long tackle?

[martin 727]

Sling tackle?

[Pates 9,625]

I'm kinda repeating myself here but I'll say it again anyway. If you can go to the GF, do it! The doggies will no doubt have a very strong contingent of fans that couldn't get tickets to the final in Sydney and will be full of voice. 

Not only that but it could be your last chance to cheer on a few players who will be moved on at trade/delisting period. 

On a completely different note am I the only one that thinks it's a bit unfair that the Dog got an extra day of rest compared to Casey give we finished higher on the ladder? Also I would've thought it would be better to play it on the Saturday as a sort of lead in to the the final on Saturday night. 

[DemonDave 1,082]

Good day out at Port yesterday, we were having a celebratory ale in the Railway Club hotel post game, and in walks Plapp, Dan McPherson and a few of the other Casey coaches who were all too happy to have a chat to us. Salem won't get up, but Garland should be fine according to Plapp. A very content bunch they were! 

Oscar McInerney and Declan Kielty gave their draft chances a big boost. Thought Morris and Munro were also very good of the casey listed players but Angus Scott had a very quiet day compared to 2 weeks ago. 

Tim Smith is a very good vfl player who's been at the club 4 years now, to those that think he could be drafted i think his chance has passed, his inconsistency is the most frustrating aspect of his game brilliant one week unsighted the next. 

 

Edited September 18, 2016 by DemonDave

[Whispering_Jack 29,324]

The Stats from the game:-

Lynden Dunn 1 goal 24 disposals 22 kicks 2 handballs 12 marks 3 tackles 128 dream team points
Colin Garland 13 disposals 7 kicks 6 handballs 2 marks 3 tackles 45 dream team points
Matt Jones 1 goals 1 behinds 16 disposals 11 kicks 5 handballs 4 marks 6 tackles 84 dream team points
Ben Kennedy 2 behinds 9 disposals 7 kicks 2 handballs 0 marks 2 tackles 33 dream team points
Viv Michie 18 disposals 16 kicks 2 handballs 5 marks 13 tackles 120 dream team points
Alex Neal-Bullen 30 disposals 18 kicks 12 handballs 3 marks 8 tackles 118 dream team points
Ben Newton 16 disposals 12 kicks 4 handballs 3 marks 4 tackles 64 dream team points
Clayton Oliver 1 goal 24 disposals 10 kicks 14 handballs 1 mark 17 tackles 5 hit outs 127 dream team points
Christian Salem 15 disposals 11 kicks 4 handballs 4 marks 1 tackles 54 dream team points [injured before half time]
Joel Smith 20 disposals 11 kicks 9 handballs 7 marks 4 tackles 79 dream team points
Jake Spencer 1 behind 9 disposals 8 kicks 1 handball 3 marks 7 tackles 22 hit outs 78 dream team points
Jack Trengove 1 behind 15 disposals 7 kicks 8 handballs 5 marks 4 tackles 2 hit outs 72 dream team points
Sam Weideman 1 behind 3 disposals 1 kicks 2 handballs 1 mark 11 dream team points
Mitch White 13 disposals 9 kicks 4 handballs 5 marks 2 tackles 59 dream team points

 

[rjay 24,677]

8 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

I can't remember him kicking off his left aside from a nice snap out of a pack. He does kick nicely on his right and part of him going back to the VFL I think should be to encourage him to kick more. The other thing I really want to see is him handballing on his left. If he can use his left hand then with his vision and movement in close the sky is the limit.

Did it as naturally as he does on his right...I've seen it a few times.

...and yes he does need to kick more often, he will get the balance right over the next few years.

[MadAsHell 4,209]

Thoughts on the game.

Lynden Dunn - BOG for me, following up his very strong Qualifying Final.  I'd be more then happy keeping him on the list for key defensive depth next year.

Colin Garland - Thought was ok.  Looks as though he injured himself when he ran himself into trouble late in the 3rd term.  Hopefully will be good for next week.  His ability to play small is important.

Matt Jones - Not a bad game.  Not the day for outside mids, but worked hard.

Ben Kennedy - Wonder if he's carrying something as he was very quiet.  I reckon he'll be important for us on the quick deck of Etihad, so hope he's ok.

Viv Michie - One of his quieter VFL games, but solid/

Alex Neal-Bullen - Thought he's caught some unfair criticism.  His disposal wasn't great, but he won that many clearances for us and set up so many attacking plays, that his disposal could be forgiven.  I agree that it will need to improve at Etihad however.

Ben Newton - Looks reasonably solid across half back.  Wonder if he'll get a run at another club next year?

Clayton Oliver - I love this kid.  Suffers a serious case of white line fever.  I loved his little jab at Dunnell in the 2nd term after Salem's knock.  Wouldn't of loved it if we lost a close one.  But looking back it puts a smile on my face.

Christian Salem - I know it was at VFL level and not AFL.  But gee that first term reminded me of how good he could be.  Real shame about the knock and that he'll miss next week given how valuable he'd be.  But I'm looking forward to a big 2017 for Salem.

Joel Smith - Realy happy for him to have a good game considering he missed the Qualifying Final.  He looks a likely type and I still don't think we've found a set position for him yet, so watch out after another pre-season.

Jake Spencer - Some people thought he was good, others thought he stunk.  I just thought it was a typical Spencer game.  Gave his all, competed, but did a few silly things also.  For me I have reasonably low expectations for Jake as I see him as an AFL depth ruckman only.  If another club offered him an opportunity I wouldn't hold it against him for exploring it and the club should be willing to let him go.  We could always pick someone like McInnerney up late in the draft as his direct replacement.

Jack Trengove - Thought he looked really good in the 1st term.  Much quieter after that however.  Loved his mark early also and seeing him stream through the middle of the ground to have a long shot at goal.  Watching him on the fast track of Etihad will be interesting....

Sam Weideman - After a great Qualifying Final he found the going tough in conditions that didn't suit.  I've got a feeling he could have a huge game in the Grand Final with a BOG 5 goal performance.  Touch wood....

Mitch White - Started well, but after landing on his ankle seemd to struggle after that, but still got through.  Hopefully he should be right as with no Salem, his kicking will be really important.

To win by 7 goals with no Grimes and a few injury issues was a great effort after Williamstown won by about the same margin earlier in the year.  Next week will be tough at a venue where many of the Bulldogs plays play and play well where out Melbourne players have a horrible record.  But, if like the Qualifying Final, our midfield can control the inside ball, not allowing the Dogs to get it outside quick to utilise their superior speed, then the Scorpions should be to strong.

Our VFL defence of Dunn, Garland, White, Hutchins and Michie since he's gone to half back have proved to be very strong and hard to score against, so a win in the midfield should see us with enough ball forward to get the job done.

Spencer, Trengove, Grimes, Neal-Bullen, Oliver, Kennedy, Matt Jones v Minson, Stevens, Hrovat & Honeychurch is the key IMO.  We should win out with weight of numbers, but it's no sure thing.  Hopefully the Weed, Terlich, Tim Smith etc can get on the end of a few and put us clear.

Go Scorps!

[Samael 560]

7 minutes ago, AngryAtCasey said:

Thoughts on the game.

Lynden Dunn - BOG for me, following up his very strong Qualifying Final.  I'd be more then happy keeping him on the list for key defensive depth next year.

Colin Garland - Thought was ok.  Looks as though he injured himself when he ran himself into trouble late in the 3rd term.  Hopefully will be good for next week.  His ability to play small is important.

Matt Jones - Not a bad game.  Not the day for outside mids, but worked hard.

Ben Kennedy - Wonder if he's carrying something as he was very quiet.  I reckon he'll be important for us on the quick deck of Etihad, so hope he's ok.

Viv Michie - One of his quieter VFL games, but solid/

Alex Neal-Bullen - Thought he's caught some unfair criticism.  His disposal wasn't great, but he won that many clearances for us and set up so many attacking plays, that his disposal could be forgiven.  I agree that it will need to improve at Etihad however.

Ben Newton - Looks reasonably solid across half back.  Wonder if he'll get a run at another club next year?

Clayton Oliver - I love this kid.  Suffers a serious case of white line fever.  I loved his little jab at Dunnell in the 2nd term after Salem's knock.  Wouldn't of loved it if we lost a close one.  But looking back it puts a smile on my face.

Christian Salem - I know it was at VFL level and not AFL.  But gee that first term reminded me of how good he could be.  Real shame about the knock and that he'll miss next week given how valuable he'd be.  But I'm looking forward to a big 2017 for Salem.

Joel Smith - Realy happy for him to have a good game considering he missed the Qualifying Final.  He looks a likely type and I still don't think we've found a set position for him yet, so watch out after another pre-season.

Jake Spencer - Some people thought he was good, others thought he stunk.  I just thought it was a typical Spencer game.  Gave his all, competed, but did a few silly things also.  For me I have reasonably low expectations for Jake as I see him as an AFL depth ruckman only.  If another club offered him an opportunity I wouldn't hold it against him for exploring it and the club should be willing to let him go.  We could always pick someone like McInnerney up late in the draft as his direct replacement.

Jack Trengove - Thought he looked really good in the 1st term.  Much quieter after that however.  Loved his mark early also and seeing him stream through the middle of the ground to have a long shot at goal.  Watching him on the fast track of Etihad will be interesting....

Sam Weideman - After a great Qualifying Final he found the going tough in conditions that didn't suit.  I've got a feeling he could have a huge game in the Grand Final with a BOG 5 goal performance.  Touch wood....

Mitch White - Started well, but after landing on his ankle seemd to struggle after that, but still got through.  Hopefully he should be right as with no Salem, his kicking will be really important.

To win by 7 goals with no Grimes and a few injury issues was a great effort after Williamstown won by about the same margin earlier in the year.  Next week will be tough at a venue where many of the Bulldogs plays play and play well where out Melbourne players have a horrible record.  But, if like the Qualifying Final, our midfield can control the inside ball, not allowing the Dogs to get it outside quick to utilise their superior speed, then the Scorpions should be to strong.

Our VFL defence of Dunn, Garland, White, Hutchins and Michie since he's gone to half back have proved to be very strong and hard to score against, so a win in the midfield should see us with enough ball forward to get the job done.

Spencer, Trengove, Grimes, Neal-Bullen, Oliver, Kennedy, Matt Jones v Minson, Stevens, Hrovat & Honeychurch is the key IMO.  We should win out with weight of numbers, but it's no sure thing.  Hopefully the Weed, Terlich, Tim Smith etc can get on the end of a few and put us clear.

Go Scorps!

Viv had a nasty growth on hi shoulder for the first half. It was so big that it had its own number (32). Must have had it removed at half time because he was better in the second half. 13 tackles would have to be a personal best. 

 

[mo64 5,596]

When kicking skills are a premium in the modern game, I still can't understand why Dunn can't be utilised somehow in a backline that consists of Frost and the Mac brothers. He seemed to have his cards marked, but hopefully that was a Roos issue rather than Goodwin. If he seeks a trade, he'd have more currency than any other player outside our best 22.

 

[Drunkn167 5,093]

Pretty good write up on pg.55 of the Herald Sun

[jnrmac 19,928]

45 minutes ago, mo64 said:

When kicking skills are a premium in the modern game, I still can't understand why Dunn can't be utilised somehow in a backline that consists of Frost and the Mac brothers. He seemed to have his cards marked, but hopefully that was a Roos issue rather than Goodwin. If he seeks a trade, he'd have more currency than any other player outside our best 22.

 

If he can play like he did yesterday he is a lock for our best 22. He was outstanding. 

The problem as has been discussed here plenty of times is that he has found it difficult to adapt to our game plan and change the way he plays.

 

 

[mo64 5,596]

7 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

If he can play like he did yesterday he is a lock for our best 22. He was outstanding. 

The problem as has been discussed here plenty of times is that he has found it difficult to adapt to our game plan and change the way he plays.

 

 

I think our defensive zone changed in the 2nd half of the year, and we had someone sitting back. For mine, that's a perfect role for Dunn.

[Members' Wing 1,106]

11 hours ago, Drunkn167 said:

Dawes hasn't played for about 3 months now, not sure why. JKH didn't qualify for finals, as he missed too many games through injuries, and Hulett was ill so they thought it best to let him run a half-intensity game in the 2's before coming back into the 1's next week.

Thanks mate 

[jackaub 1,402]

1 hour ago, mo64 said:

I think our defensive zone changed in the 2nd half of the year, and we had someone sitting back. For mine, that's a perfect role for Dunn.

Yes Mo the defensive set up early in the year leaked like a sieve ie I was at the Port game in Alice. It very poor coaching and later in the season we improved by having someone staying goal side of the contest. Was so obvious it was necesary, cannot believe Roos persisted with it for as long as he did but then I dont rate Roos as very good strategic coach

[durango 1,992]

I just watched the scorpions sing their song, I believe I saw Chris Judd in the picture?

Anyone who was their confirm and what was he doing there?

[Roger Mellie 3,893]

27 minutes ago, durango said:

I just watched the scorpions sing their song, I believe I saw Chris Judd in the picture?

Anyone who was their confirm and what was he doing there?

He's doing some coaching there

[barneymfc 152]

bit worried about trenners he looked very slow and no burst speed

[CBDees 3,165]

32 minutes ago, barneymfc said:

bit worried about trenners he looked very slow and no burst speed

A great mark though. Will be pleased to see where he is at after another full pre-season and this season behind him. I am still in the "glass half full" camp as regards Trenners returning to his pre-injury peak.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

48 minutes ago, barneymfc said:

bit worried about trenners he looked very slow and no burst speed

It will be interesting to see how he goes at Etihad, most players can be forgiven for looking slow at the Port Melbourne mud pit.

[barneymfc 152]

yep but his leg speed is not there and he seems to have bulked up a lot.I really want him to make it back ,he deserves it

[Redleg 40,354]

14 hours ago, Pates said:

On a completely different note am I the only one that thinks it's a bit unfair that the Dog got an extra day of rest compared to Casey give we finished higher on the ladder? 

No, I posted that last week.