POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 18

[Wells 11 4,706]

4 minutes ago, 1964nowMORE said:

I thought it might hurt less the morning after, not so. The utter frustration is subsiding though. This was like a classic game of soccer, with one side absolutely dominating possession, tackles, hard balls and yet still being beaten on the break, a quick long ball in hope that the opposition score from. Fark. They did it time and again.

Outside of the obvious turnovers by foot, started by Wagners in the first quarter, we paid a very very big price for Watts, Hogan, Stretch, Viney and more being unable to kick reasonably simple goals from 35m out in front. Full credit to the players who simply went again and again. Gee I'd have liked Salem instead of Wagner or Omac in defence yesterday, just for his kicking alone.

We are clearly making progress, slower than I'd like, but no doubt on a true foundation of talent, not aging B and C grade players. The saddest thing about yesterday is it had the potential to be the difining win for this young group, something they look back on and refer to for years to come about how they achieved it. It bloody hurts, it would have been worth 4 points PLUS a truckload of self belief, even for us fans.

bugger......

Im hurting this morning too. Its hard to shake after losses like that. Watts missed three goals he would have kicked on any other day this year....nails even 1 of three and i reckon we win. But I do still think, for us, that self belief would be growing after that. I think after North, we were stoked we got that close..stoked to know we SHOULD have won it. After yesterday and Adelaide I reckon they will be more [censored] off. Sick of almosts and shoulds. Its the sort of pain that starts creating more intensity in tight contests.

 

[Biffen 12,323]

Watch the replay and see the suckhole Eagles talk , gesticulate and beg the umpire the whole last Q.as they did during the game.

When Max got that last Q free against. ,which should have been for, he looked like he would eat the ump. Watts mouthed the words I said to the ump but at the player taking thr bs free. Roos has taught them never to start playing for frees and when the AFL sees this I hope they start to ping the western slime.

[sue 8,430]

I wonder what this thread would have looked like  if we had managed to squeeze over the line - which could have happened as it can in any close game.  What would all those posters who like wearing hair-shirts have said.  Probably that the scoreboard flattered us.

[Redleg 37,582]

3 hours ago, olisik said:

Why did o Mac not stop that Kennedy kick? That was lazy play, I know he hasn't played much but you can tell from that moment that he does not have it. 

He did appear to be jogging. Poor effort. However, to write off a players career, or ability, on one poor effort, is ridiculous. Surely you know that, or maybe you don't.

[old dee 22,854]

Just now, sue said:

I wonder what this thread would have looked like  if we had managed to squeeze over the line - which could have happened as it can in any close game.  What would all those posters who like wearing hair-shirts have said.  Probably that the scoreboard flattered us.

But we didn't win sue and we did not deserve to win too many passengers and terrible kicking. I am glad to see that the majority hate losing. There is a chance for the future when the majority hate losing. Now all we need is another 3-4 good players to replace the NGE's and we will win these games. 

[leucopogon 1,468]

3 minutes ago, Redleg said:

He did appear to be jogging. Poor effort. However, to write off a players career, or ability, on one poor effort, is ridiculous. Surely you know that, or maybe you don't.

The real reason we conceded that goal was T Mac playing five metres behind Kennedy, if he'd started one step closer to him Kennedy would never have gotten that snap away

[Redleg 37,582]

3 minutes ago, old dee said:

But we didn't win sue and we did not deserve to win too many passengers and terrible kicking. I am glad to see that the majority hate losing. There is a chance for the future when the majority hate losing. Now all we need is another 3-4 good players to replace the NGE's and we will win these games. 

Did the WCE " DESERVE" to win?

If we won, you would be saying we stole the game,  as we didn't deserve to win.

We beat them everywhere but the scoreboard, how did we not deserve to win?

[old dee 22,854]

13 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Did the WCE " DESERVE" to win?

If we won, you would be saying we stole the game,  as we didn't deserve to win.

We beat them everywhere but the scoreboard, how did we not deserve to win?

Simple answer Mr Leg they were in front on the scoreboard when the final siren blew.

that determines the winner. Plus that old adage " poor kicking is poor football" 

we are still not good enough to beat teams in the eight.

 

[Redleg 37,582]

1 minute ago, old dee said:

Simple answer Mr Leg they were in front on the scoreboard when the final siren blew.

that determines the winner. Plus that old adage " poor kicking is poor football" 

we are still not good enough to beat teams in the eight.

 

No, you used the word "DESERVE".

I know what winning means, but you seem to base it solely on who won.

[GawnWithTheWind 604]

Jeez we should have beaten last years runners up, at their home deck and all of you are sooking?

i think that domination we put on them does wonders for the group, surely making them hungrier than ever to give Hawks a huge crack.

it was far more positive outcome than I expected. I was proud of them yesterday 

 

we are on our way

Edited July 23, 2016 by GawnWithTheWind

[Bay Riffin 1,415]

11 minutes ago, GawnWithTheWind said:

Jeez we should have beaten last years runners up, at their home deck and all of you are sooking?

i think that domination we put on them does wonders for the group, surely making them hungrier than ever to give Hawks a huge crack.

it was far more positive outcome than I expected. I was proud of them yesterday 

 

we are on our way

it feels like reverse Hawthorn....dominated the game in just about every facet except the scoreboard. very frustrating especially when 12 to 3 frees were awarded last quarter.

 

Still we didn't look confident lining up for goal in the 3rd quarters. We still don't quite believe but getting closer.

Edited July 23, 2016 by Bay Riffin

[old dee 22,854]

29 minutes ago, Redleg said:

No, you used the word "DESERVE".

I know what winning means, but you seem to base it solely on who won.

That is all that counts in the end. Who is in front at the end determines the winner the rest are excuses by the loser.

it is time for all Dees supporters to get over excuses. Being in front at the end is all that matters.

this morning the WCE have five wins in a row and a chance at the top four and the Dees are in the bottom third winging about how unlucky we are. That is the real world.

[sue 8,430]

59 minutes ago, old dee said:

But we didn't win sue and we did not deserve to win too many passengers and terrible kicking. I am glad to see that the majority hate losing. There is a chance for the future when the majority hate losing. Now all we need is another 3-4 good players to replace the NGE's and we will win these games. 

I really admire the influence you think the majority of supporters on Demonland has on what actually happens.  I wouldn't be happy if the majority of players hated losing. I'd expect 100% of them to. What they think matters, you'd need to find an electron microscope to see the effect of our influence.

Edited July 24, 2016 by sue

[jnrmac 18,954]

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

He did appear to be jogging. Poor effort. However, to write off a players career, or ability, on one poor effort, is ridiculous. Surely you know that, or maybe you don't.

I would have thought by now players know that effort is non-negotiable. It's not 'when I feel like it'. I would drop him on that alone.

[Rocknroll 912]

A decade of losses and I thought I had seen them all, however this is a totally new way. Not sure how to feel on this one

[sue 8,430]

Just now, Rocknroll said:

A decade of losses and I thought I had seen them all, however this is a totally new way. Not sure how to feel on this one

Well a lot better than a 10 goal thrashing for a start.  Though to read some of the stuff on here, you'd think it was a bad as that.

[jnrmac 18,954]

So here is another thought. We are blaming our loss on bad kicking for goal largely. But this year we are in the top echelon of goal kicking accuracy. We have been due a poor game accuracy wise and maybe this is it.

Imagine if we had been kicking poorly for most of the year? Or more often than not? Or even just league average?

We could easily be on 4 or 5 wins. How would our year be looking then? Pretty ordinary. And the calls for Roos to leave quickly and handover to Goodwin would be deafening.

Arguably our accurate kicking this year has hidden some major defects.

[chook fowler 18,228]

Don't think anything negative should be said about yesterday's performance ( umpires excepted ). Gave plenty of hope.

[Cheap Seats 3,300]

11 hours ago, america de cali said:

If we play with the same effort and intensity more often than not we will go places.  Not often seen but I hope this game is the benchmark standard for the rest of the season and the next.

Dont tell me you found a positive out of thr game adc 

Surely the rain kept the game close it isn't because we are getting better as a team

[doc roet 1,199]

Good game next week,North vs saints --9v8   North will be [censored] themselves.Saints are on a roll,

and seeing what they did to the bulldogs last night,kinda makes me feel not so bad about us last week 

and our near get yesterday shows me we are not so far off it.Long time to wait though till 2018.

[Cheap Seats 3,300]

Im going to throw this out there so ppl i know i was [censored] last night... took me all night to settle down after the game... but

I'm bloody proud of thr boys. Took it up to the flat track bullies (and we as a team haven't beaten flat track bullies in a long long time. I mean teams like Saints, Port, Crows and egirls)

If we didnt make so.many mistskes (which was mainly due to our lack of experience) viney playing on inatead of playing to the whistle... that crap umpiring or the missed shots from players who normally snaffle thise shots.

Dont be fooled ppl the egirls were on the ropes. We were smashing them in the contest and spreading but we just couldnt finnish because wce flooded back and it halted our run and ball.movement. we dont have the experience or quality to beat the flood just yet.

But god damn how good is Petracca. Has already had a bigger impact then Jeremy Howe in what 10 games 

We have to back it up next week though. No excuses for mine

Edited July 24, 2016 by Unleash Hell

[DubDee 20,584]

We are significantly better at losing than 3 years ago when roosey came on board

[DubDee 20,584]

Reason we lost

entries inside 50 were poor

we kept kicking to their loose man in defence 

Viney, watts, Dawes all missed fairly easy kicks at goal

we were mentally weak when it mattered

WC were very poor. Kept kicking it us. Looked soft. And not focused. 

We will never have a better chance to beat those pr!cks! [censored]!!

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

6 minutes ago, DubDee said:

we kept kicking to their loose man in defence

Why did we allow them to have a loose man in defence?

[Deestar9 1,402]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

But we didn't win sue and we did not deserve to win too many passengers and terrible kicking. I am glad to see that the majority hate losing. There is a chance for the future when the majority hate losing. Now all we need is another 3-4 good players to replace the NGE's and we will win these games. 

Did you think that just maybe this club with the youngest list need another preseason & some more games together....seriously when we have a loss like that I prefer to listen to the "measured" experts talk about us & also the envy from some of my football loving friends over the future potential of our list than the abject pessimism that pervades on here....as Roos said in his presser....yes we made glaring turnovers but as the players string more games together & gain confidence in each other these turnover are greatly reduced...before this season started the majority of the posters wanted more tightly contested games & no thrashings ...we have pretty much achieved this albeit with a very hard second half draw....because we have been so much more competitive we have now become super critical of our young players & have unreal expectations ....players regardless of who they are need pre seasons & continuity ....I am super optimistic !!