Clayton Oliver signs new 2 year deal.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,295]

Just now, Earl Hood said:

Not sure why we are signing on first year players for extensions just 8 games into their career, is it just to Create this impression of every Dee signing up for the future to put more pressure on Hoges? 

That's what I thought. Not knocking it but I would've thought this early in his career contracts would be the last thing on a players mind.  Was anyone even worried that he might leave? 

[ThreeOneSix 954]

This is good. I imagine Oliver in his second season, he will be an animal. We have an exceptional young list. Lock em away.

[beelzebub 23,383]

It's more the manner in which he did it. 

Absolute stamp of approval regarding the Dees.

He's Clarry and he's excited !!

[Seraph 1,824]

1 minute ago, ThreeOneSix said:

This is good. I imagine Oliver in his second season, he will be an animal.

I said the same about Brayshaw last year ?

[rpfc 28,775]

11 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

Not sure why we are signing on first year players for extensions just 8 games into their career, is it just to Create this impression of every Dee signing up for the future to put more pressure on Hoges? 

You don't think he will be around the 22 in 2019?

AFL asks clubs to invest in players, teenagers, with a maximum 2 year deal. We have essentially turned Oliver's into a 4 year deal.

It is so smart. Why bother waiting and pay more in a year's time?

[monoccular 17,573]

4 minutes ago, ThreeOneSix said:

This is good. I imagine Oliver in his second season, he will be an animal. We have an exceptional young list. Lock em away.

 

2 minutes ago, Seraph said:

I said the same about Brayshaw last year ?

Seraph - I suspect that barring injury, Brayshaw's second season would be as impressive as his first, but of course we will never know. 

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

37 minutes ago, Seraph said:

Oliver: "It was a very easy decision ... I thought I'd get it out of the way and get it done with because I was going to sign eventually."

I wish some of our other players took this approach. 

*cough* hogan *cough*

[Bang Bang Bang 5,839]

21 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

Not sure why we are signing on first year players for extensions just 8 games into their career, is it just to Create this impression of every Dee signing up for the future to put more pressure on Hoges? 

Can't be too careful these days. Players are brazen enough to walk after their first contract is up. Scully left in a flash. Aish requested a trade after 2 years, Boyd after 1. It's good to lock them away early.

[Earl Hood 6,101]

6 minutes ago, rpfc said:

You don't think he will be around the 22 in 2019?

AFL asks clubs to invest in players, teenagers, with a maximum 2 year deal. We have essentially turned Oliver's into a 4 year deal.

It is so smart. Why bother waiting and pay more in a year's time?

Don't disagree rpfc, good strategy maybe but just a bit odd. The last time we were desperate to extend first year players was in 2010 and as I remember things Trengove signed on but not Scully, so I believe MFC is well aware that Hoges is going to be a problematic signing. 

[rpfc 28,775]

3 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

Don't disagree rpfc, good strategy maybe but just a bit odd. The last time we were desperate to extend first year players was in 2010 and as I remember things Trengove signed on but not Scully, so I believe MFC is well aware that Hoges is going to be a problematic signing. 

The inference is that we did this to juxtapose what Hogan isn't doing...

We can't extend a promising young player's contract? Can it be about him and not another promising kid?

[Ethan Tremblay 30,966]

1 hour ago, Demon Disciple said:

It's on the mfc website. Nice get DD!

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2016-05-19/oliver-signs-contract-extension

2016 stats:

Dazzle: 1

GNF: 0

[Adzman 2,154]

Just good list management. The dees are identifying who will be a part of their future and locking them up.

Can't recall a first year player getting an extension this early. He is that good!

[beelzebub 23,383]

6 minutes ago, Adzman said:

Just good list management. The dees are identifying who will be a part of their future and locking them up.

Can't recall a first year player getting an extension this early. He is that good!

That was how I saw it. 

Any other advantages are just good fortune surely 

[binman 43,761]

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Was told today at Bushies training.. Don't know when the announcement going to be.

Excellent use of sources

[titan_uranus 25,043]

2 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

Not sure why we are signing on first year players for extensions just 8 games into their career, is it just to Create this impression of every Dee signing up for the future to put more pressure on Hoges? 

You're honestly not sure why we've moved to re-contract Oliver this early?

I think the evidence is relatively clear.

[Demon Jack 6,930]

Thrilled with these recent signings. Hunt, Spencer, Viney and now Clarry! Now to lock away TMac, Watts, Tyson and give Jesse the club's bank account details.

Still absolutely stoked that we chose Oliver over Parish. While I believe that Parish will be a fantastic player, Oliver has a much higher ceiling and could be absolutely anything.

Clarry is still only 18 years old and already built like a brick outhouse with jet engines attached to the sides. Seriously scary to think where he'll be in terms of physicality and skill in five years time. 

 

Edited May 19, 2016 by Demon Jack

[beelzebub 23,383]

The club and its invested believers are making a statement.  Ooooooh rah !!

Now all we have to do is win games  

[BAMF 4,385]

1 hour ago, Earl Hood said:

Don't disagree rpfc, good strategy maybe but just a bit odd. The last time we were desperate to extend first year players was in 2010 and as I remember things Trengove signed on but not Scully, so I believe MFC is well aware that Hoges is going to be a problematic signing. 

It's because we are in a great position to front load contracts.

We advertise they it's a contract extension. But that's not really accurate. It's more likely that we have renegotiated his original contract from 2 years to 4. Instead of paying him the standard new player salary for 2 years, we can pay him a heap more now and next year and then greatly lower the amount in the final year/s of the contract.

Oliver wins because we give him a massive pay rise right now based on potential, and ends up getting paid slightly more than he would have by waiting. And we end up winning because we have front loaded the hell out of the contract a d have more to splash around later on.

The big risk for the club is if Oliver doesn't kick on like expected, or if he gets a serious injury.

There is a reason why his manager has recommended he takes it. It's a great deal for his client.

The only reason why we can do this is because we have been rubbish for a decade and struggled to meet minimum salary cap spending. We have been employing this tactic for a long time now and won't be able to do it if all the young players on our list kick on like expected over the next few years. A good problem to have.

[Mega_Watts 70]

1 hour ago, Night Crawler said:

It's because we are in a great position to front load contracts.

We advertise they it's a contract extension. But that's not really accurate. It's more likely that we have renegotiated his original contract from 2 years to 4. Instead of paying him the standard new player salary for 2 years, we can pay him a heap more now and next year and then greatly lower the amount in the final year/s of the contract.

Fairly certain you can't do this.  New draftees earn set wages, which you can't increase.

C.f. Tom Boyd in first year at the Dogs was still on rookie wages, with the promise of $millions later.

[BAMF 4,385]

44 minutes ago, Mega_Watts said:

Fairly certain you can't do this.  New draftees earn set wages, which you can't increase.

C.f. Tom Boyd in first year at the Dogs was still on rookie wages, with the promise of $millions later.

Collective Bargaining Agreement

9. First Year Draft Choice Players

(f) When a First Year Draft Choice Player is first listed by an AFL Club, that Player and the AFL Club shall enter into a Standard Playing Contract for a minimum term of two years except in the case of a Player who has previously been listed as a Rookie at any AFL Club.

22. Player’s Contract

22.1 Standard Playing Contract (a) All contracts for the playing of Australian Football entered into between a Player, an AFL Club and the AFL shall be in the form of the Standard Playing Contract.

(d) The parties to a Standard Playing Contract, which contract has not been terminated, may vary the terms of the contract or renew the contract for a further term/s, by written agreement of the parties.

22.2 Restructure of Standard Playing Contract (a) Subject to clause 22.2(b), the Parties agree that the Standard Playing Contract shall be restructured to apportion Players’ value for personal services, as distinct from the value for use of Players’ Image, with the restructured Standard Playing Contract to be in operation by no later than 1 November 2014, or such later date as agreed between the Parties. (b) The Parties shall jointly develop the guidelines to apply to the apportioning of players’ value after appropriate consultation with the Australian Taxation Office.

Edited May 19, 2016 by Night Crawler

[Mega_Watts 70]

1 hour ago, Night Crawler said:

Collective Bargaining Agreement

 

You need to skip to Schedule C.
2. First Year Players
(a) An AFL Club shall pay each first year draft choice Player it employs in 2015 and 2016 the base payments and Senior Match payments per Senior Match set out in the following table:

2 (d) A first year draft choice Player shall not be entitled to, nor shall an AFL Club, pay a first year Player more than the amounts prescribed by this item 2, other than: (i) reasonable relocation expenses and living allowances as set out in item 13 of this Schedule C; (ii) bereavement assistance of up to $2,000 per Player; and (iii) any incentive bonus a Player receives for finishing in the top ten of the AFL Club’s best and fairest award.

Same wording is there under Second Year Players.

Bottom Line - definitely can't pay more than the mandated amounts to 1st/2nd year players.

Edited May 19, 2016 by Mega_Watts

[BAMF 4,385]

Wow I must have skimmed that whole section as I remember reading the end once. 

You are 100% correct

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

I think he's the best young player on our list, ecstatic with this.

[hells bells 2,023]

Wouldn't mind seeing him play forward for parts of some games. Particularly towards the end of the year as he gets tired.  He is a beautiful set shot and is a strong mark.  

[Stinga2 194]

12 hours ago, ding said:

 

“It was a very easy decision. My manager said ‘just go with it’ and I did.

See contract get contract