POST MATCH DISCUSSION

[Je Roos Salem 661]

Bring on Round 1. Very strong team performance today, ball movement was exciting at times and we never let up for 3 quarters. Garlett is so good sometimes he almost gets bored and does something silly. Could have kicked more than 3 today. With Bugg, Kennedy and a fit Kent we seem to have a lot of depth. Watts looked stronger than I've ever seen at the contest. It's great to know it's not Hogan or nothing. Garland and McDonald also looked on song down back, as did Jones and Vince. We seem well poised for the first game

[Clayton van Oliver 1,823]

7 hours ago, Deecisive said:

1. Max Gawn tireless in the ruck and around the ground, I was especially impressed when he gave 20meter hand passes to players streaming down the field.

This. Such a beautiful thing to watch and some of them seemed to go 30-40m!

[Biffen 12,943]

Any guys with severe brain damage who need a job should apply at Foxtel.

Pig Dunstall is just a fat arsed farce with a sad and bitter soul that he likes to vent on what he perceives as weaker people.

Sandy has dimentia.

David King (scoop) thinks Goodwin might push Roos out of a job (no shyte Sherlock).

 My tinea is more informative than this trio of old tarts.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,239]

11 hours ago, dee-luded said:

phew, that's a relief,,, I thought i must  have been abducted by aliens.    i seemed to have lost about 18 - 20 minutes of my life.

I always thought you were an alien 'luded!

[Red and Blue realist 2,051]

Loved the defensive pressue brought on by, Jeffy, kent, Harmes and Kennedy. We've struggled keeping the ball alive in our forward half but those guys were manic yesterday. 

Frustrated by the skill errors coming out of deep defense, while the idea is right the skills weren't great. Hoping with Dunn and Lumumba come back and if Bernie can play more half back this can be addressed. Not sure how many of their goals came from turnovers but it's one area if we tighten up on will make us much better.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,239]

Pizzed  last and unable to post . My impressions.

Jack Watts- Wow!

Jeff Garlett  - Just love it when he has the ball and burns off opposition players.  Just about my Favourite player

Bernie Vince- Does great work in defense with a cool head and good disposal

Wagner - Yes a bit to learn but can play.

Our tackling was the best I've seen for years

Hogan - that set set shot routine - FMD!!!!!

BOG - Our recruiters

 

[John Crow Batty 8,863]

Actually I am pleased the likes of Dunstall and Healy are selling us short. I still have nightmares over the effusive drooling by the media of our prospects circa 2009/10.

[Whispering_Jack 30,099]

53 minutes ago, Biffen said:

Any guys with severe brain damage who need a job should apply at Foxtel.

Pig Dunstall is just a fat arsed farce with a sad and bitter soul that he likes to vent on what he perceives as weaker people.

Sandy has dimentia.

David King (scoop) thinks Goodwin might push Roos out of a job (no shyte Sherlock).

 My tinea is more informative than this trio of old tarts.

But apart from that, is there anything else about Foxtel that you don't like?

[Delusional demon 82 1,197]

10 hours ago, Curry & Beer said:

Nope, 2nd

1.    Fremantle Dockers    3    3    0    0    242:168    144.05    12    
2.    Melbourne Demons    3    3    0    0    274:219    125.11    12    
3.    Collingwood Magpies    3    3    0    0    323:305    105.90    12    
4.    Adelaide Crows    3    2    0    1    324:201    161.19    8    
5.    Greater Western Sydney    3    2    0    1    289:247    117.00    8    
6.    Sydney Swans    3    2    0    1    232:223    104.04    8    
7.    West Coast Eagles    3    2    0    1    261:253    103.16    8    
8.    Hawthorn Hawks    3    2    0    1    211:216    97.69    8    
9.    Geelong Cats    3    1    0    2    305:238    128.15    4    
10.    Western Bulldogs    3    1    0    2    269:252    106.75    4    
11.    Port Adelaide Power    3    1    0    2    229:221    103.62    4    
12.    Gold Coast Suns    3    1    0    2    204:207    98.55    4    
13.    North Melbourne Kangaroos    3    1    0    2    274:283    96.82    4    
14.    Richmond Tigers    3    1    0    2    179:216    82.87    4    
15.    Essendon Bombers    3    1    0    2    172:304    56.58    4    
16.    St Kilda Saints    2    0    0    2    156:224    69.64    0    
17.    Brisbane Lions    2    0    0    2    126:190    66.32    0    
18.    Carlton Blues    3    0    0    3    136:239    56.90    0    
 
 People say the NAB is meaningless but there is no denying there is a great deal of similarity between this ladder and what is expected to happen this year. If you moved WCE and Hawthorn towards the top, Richmond to 9th, there isn't too much out of place IMO Except of course us!

Thanks C &B

Now I have the ammo I need for the magpie supporter at work tomorrow !

Plus I'll keep reminding him too that kennedy had a great game and ask Howe the frisbie is going ?

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

Anyone else really impressed by Harmes' game (aside from goal kicking)?

He's best 22 for me at the moment, I really rate him.

[Lucifers Hero 39,779]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/melbourne-beginning-to-look-like-a-simon-goodwin-team-after-two-years-of-paul-roos/news-story/708c2557c2fa1de1bcc54cbb617ef788

Quote: Five of Melbourne’s eight first-half goals came from defensive half chains as they produced ball movement that a well-regarded footy analyst praised as “Hawthorn-like”.

No greater praise possible!

For those on here who criticised Salem:  '...Salem made a case for best on ground with 26 disposals, four marks, four inside 50s, six rebound 50s and a SuperGoal.'  Not sure what people expect tbh. 

Re the mistakes.  Goodwin said in his interview that “We want our players to be brave and bold so we have to cop the turnovers..."  Fans have called for players to be 'instinctive', to not hesitate - something we lost pre Roos.  Well it is happening:  'Brave and Bold'!  Soon, most fans won't even notice the mistakes and they will become fewer and fewer as the team masters 'Brave and Bold' football.  And as our victories mount!

On Jesse's goal kicking style Goodwin said he just got his foot movement wrong one time...we won't see that to often from Jess.  Said with a wry grin!

Edited March 13, 2016 by Lucifer's Hero

[Lucifers Hero 39,779]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/nab-challenge-clash-shows-melbourne-and-st-kilda-are-both-on-the-rise/news-story/8ad9160cbad586777364f6fdbc6ad4bb

Quotes:

-“We stayed way too straight today,” he added as he praised Melbourne’s bravery with the footy. (Richardson)

-Four of their (Demons) six leading possession-getters for the match were under the age of 23, with Christian Salem, Jack Viney, Dom Tyson and Tomas Bugg contributing on all corners of the ground.

-...the Dees are blessed with a number of players in the 21 to 25-year-old bracket who could potentially make the move into the elite...Jack Viney (21), Jesse Hogan (21) and Angus Brayshaw (20) are obvious contenders while Max Gawn (24) and Tom McDonald (23) already rate in the top 35 per cent of their positions and could rise even higher this season.

-Throw in 20-year-old Christian Salem who appears set for a big season as well as top-five picks yet to debut with Christian Petracca and Clayton Oliver and you can see the core of a flag contender coming together.

No longer the laughing stock of the league!  Respect is building!  

A Final quote from the article"

-The club and its supporters can see it on the horizon — their banner for Sunday’s clash read ‘heading in the right direction, prepare for a Demon resurrection’.

 

[Crompton's the man 659]

1 hour ago, Biffen said:

 

Sandy has dimentia.

 

That explains it

 

Bin wondering why he's so dim 

[Trisul 664]

2 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

But apart from that, is there anything else about Foxtel that you don't like?

A long time ago on a Foxtel far far away the Rebels snuck the 'Chewy' code onto

  the Foxtel remote, hiding it behind an innocuous red button.  Upon its use the

      Empires loud, growling irrelevancies vanished - revealing the essence of

         the Force!  Dearth Vlader was summoned by the new (s ltd) Emperor

             and crippled, just for funsies, while the red button was re-coded.

                 Since that day the voices of Edwardo the Hut, Jar Jar Kingx,

                     and the little fat kid from Hey Dad drown out the Force,

                          echoing through time and spaaaaacee .............

 

Gee that was a strange coffee.

Carn the Melbourne Demons!

 

  

[Delusional demon 82 1,197]

42 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

But apart from that, is there anything else about Foxtel that you don't like?

They jacked up the monthly subscription by $1 not sure what for... maybe to help pay for ruperts wedding? It's surely not for a pay rise for drrwayne 

[Moonshadow 17,676]

I've said it a number of times before, but Jesse Hogan needs to fix up that set shot routine. He would nail more if it was smooth and straight. 

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

9 hours ago, Sylvia Saint said:

I wonder how long Bernie can keep playing for. He's 30 now but in career best form, and doesn't rely on pace or athleticism to dominate. I hope he can play at least another 3-4 seasons!

There's a guy called Trengove waiting in the wings to pick up the slack.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

10 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

I've said it a number of times before, but Jesse Hogan needs to fix up that set shot routine. He would nail more if it was smooth and straight. 

In days of yore, when teams had 1 coach and 1 assistant coach (usually the reserves coach), and not 12,000 specialist coaches monitoring which pants leg the players pull up first, you would see all kinds of weird and wild runups and kicking actions.

Jesse is a throw back to another time!

I am sure our coaches will iron out the kinks, but another one who needs work is Harmes. He has a Buddy Franklin "natural arc" that just about takes him into the players race. No wonder he missed so many yesterday.

[beelzebub 23,370]

11 hours ago, Demi Dee said:

I think you mean Brie de Meaux!!

A much sharper contrast to chalk than Camembert. And you call yourself a Melbourne supporter. 

bien sûr, vous êtes certainement correct !!

[beelzebub 23,370]

15 minutes ago, Ted Fidge said:

There's a guy called Trengove waiting in the wings to pick up the slack.

I must confess. I am/was a doubter, but by crikey he be a handy pickup that bloke 

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

Great to see a very steady preseason with no blowouts, no real lapses, and plenty of players giving the selectors a round one headache.

Watts! He was more Riewoldt than Riewoldt. That was the most complete game he's played for us. Showed his class ... and grunt! He had the look, all day, of being the glue that held the side together. A taller Hodge?

Harmes has gone from being a raw young bloke who doesn't yet belong to being a young bloke who belongs in AFL.

Oliver is ready made.

Kent whether down back or up front looks so solid and reliable.

I don't get the knocks on Wagner or Oscar. They are inexperienced players who need experience. Given there's no home and away yet, where better than in a NAB cup game against real opposition?

Many of our regular suspects (Jones, Viney, Vince) were quiet but we didn't suffer for it. That is a very good sign.

Hoges' hands went on a wildcat strike ... he was double teamed at every opportunity but our forward line looked potent. How do you double team him and keep Pedo, Kennedy, Garlett quiet?

We now have so much talent and ability that all we have to do is stay focused and determined on field and we will win (more than) our fair share.

[praha 11,240]

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/melbourne-beginning-to-look-like-a-simon-goodwin-team-after-two-years-of-paul-roos/news-story/708c2557c2fa1de1bcc54cbb617ef788

Quote: Five of Melbourne’s eight first-half goals came from defensive half chains as they produced ball movement that a well-regarded footy analyst praised as “Hawthorn-like”.

No greater praise possible!

For those on here who criticised Salem:  '...Salem made a case for best on ground with 26 disposals, four marks, four inside 50s, six rebound 50s and a SuperGoal.'  Not sure what people expect tbh. 

Re the mistakes.  Goodwin said in his interview that “We want our players to be brave and bold so we have to cop the turnovers..."  Fans have called for players to be 'instinctive', to not hesitate - something we lost pre Roos.  Well it is happening:  'Brave and Bold'!  Soon, most fans won't even notice the mistakes and they will become fewer and fewer as the team masters 'Brave and Bold' football.  And as our victories mount!

On Jesse's goal kicking style Goodwin said he just got his foot movement wrong one time...we won't see that to often from Jess.  Said with a wry grin!

Great article although a lot of people seem to too easily dismiss Roos' style here. Our defense during the pre-season has been sublime. Our pressure out times in the defensive half was fantastic. And as the article mentioned, our transition out of defense, a major area of issue the last two seasons, looked great. Our forward pressure was also good. There is a defensive mindset that was so lacking that Roos introduced, and combined with Goodwin's bold, striking, fast style, creates a more free-flowing game.

 

[Biffen 12,943]

2 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

But apart from that, is there anything else about Foxtel that you don't like?

No.they have engineered a world that cheapens all life and aims to make society its drones and govt its puppets.But American pickers and Black Gold are quality!!!

[dazzledavey36 54,921]

Was at the game yesterday and took my wifes two little ones who are saints supporters (The youngest converted to the dees after the game lol)

First of all well done to our supporters who were much louder and vocal compared to the saints. One saints supporter next to me even praised our cheer squad for being so loud while theirs was quite. It was a great atmosphere!

Our ball movement and quickness was slick and quick. There was mistakes but you will get that when you play a fast brand of football that requires quick thinking. You could hear the 'ohhhs and ahhhs' in the crowd with some of the exciting passage of play.

On the players:

• If Bernie Vince new role is at half back then we'll get another 2-3 years out of him. His foot skills and smarts are first class and at times goody threw him in the middle to steady the ship and he did exactly that.. Leadership.
• Oliver is already a crowd favourite. At one stage during the game he was involved at a stoppage going berserk with about 3 tackles in a row and just constantly harassing the contest. His first goal was simply class and nothing new to what I saw last year. Round 1 beckons.
•  Oscar made a few basic skill errors but what I liked was he didn't drop his head and just kept at it. He will get better with more experience and with Dunn out it was the perfect opportunity for him to play on a good forward like Bruce. He will continue to develop at Case and can see him playing around your 10 games this year.
• Harmes will play round 1 and probably close to our best 22 because of his forward pressure and hardness. He kicked 4 behinds yesterday and this showed that he will have a breakout game this year and kick a bag. 
• Kent was another highlight with his run and forward pressure. Can't wait till he hit the 50 to 80 game mark.
• Matt Jones was actually playing a really good game on the wing before he went off and he was spreading hard and using his pace to run back hard defensively. Id play him round one and tell him to run with Josh Kelly.
• Ben Kennedy showed absolute hardness and courage and was good to see him take the game on also. Plays a bit like Dean Kent actually. can't wait for the 3 amigos in Kennedy Garlett and Kent work their magic.
• Bugg was impressive again and was a lot more poise with the ball. Loved his hanger and also his little tangle with Reiwoldt. He will take it up to anyone this year regardless of size.
• Forget about Hogans goal kicking yips, the fact that he was getting man handled by Fisher right in front of umpire Leigh Fisher (former teammates and good friends) and not getting a free kick was an absolute disgrace. I can see why he was getting frustrated. 3 times in a row he got held and not once a free kick. Fisher by the way shouldn't umpire saints game. Some of his decisions were mind boggling.

A much better game from Tommy Mac. The type of game we want to see from him.

Those were the highlights for me. Also worth noting that between our small forwards in Garlett, Kennedy and Kent they kicked 6 goals between them.

Good to also have he skipper back to his best. I reckon he will give the Brownlow a real shake now that he has more midfield support.

While St Kilda were full strength we had Dunn Vandenberg Lumumba Petracca Brayshaw out. Its such an exciting time to be a dee supporter.

The negative I have and I think its a huge issue is our backline leaked way too many goals through costly turnovers. Grimes Garland Wagner were all the main culprits. I know this will be addressed but it will cost us some games this year im afraid.

And Pedo will be a big loss if he gets rubbed out.

 

Edited March 14, 2016 by dazzledavey36

[Cards13 9,117]

Watching replay.

We've noted the improved pressure and to see the pressure or perceived pressure causing so many early kicks into Saints fwd line is great to see. This leads to easy defensive cuts offs which leads too..

Tmac brilliant early, taking marks at the highest point. Dishing off well by foot to spreading players.

Someone said PEDs was poor, he looked PEDs good early. Getting some of it, working all the way up the ground to support, looks as fit as he has ever been He will be a loss for rnd 1 if rubbed out.

Watts, Jeffy G, Harmes, Bugg, Ben Ken, et-al looked really exciting.

After reading Goodwin comments of being bold, that is really evident but as we can all see our skills at stages will cause plenty of turn over goals. Heart in the mouth, exciting to watch when it comes off, makes you feel ill when a Garland across the goal floater is turned over for a goal.