And also they haven’t hit rock bottom yet , they haven’t been continually thrashed by +100 point margins , or stuffed up consecutive list rebuild or the countless other sources of football supporting misery and embarrassment over decades that most long suffering football supporters (not just melb) have had to endure … it’s just that being in the bottom 4 , let alone winning the spoon is so foreign a concept for the hawks that they might assume they’ve now got it tough, and would struggle to convince their younger supporters to stick fat with them.