Jump to content

  • IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING

    Posting unsubstantiated rumours on this website is strictly forbidden.

    Demonland has made the difficult decision to not permit this platform to be used to discuss & debate the off-field issues relating to the Melbourne Football Club including matters currently being litigated between the Club & former Board members, board elections, the issue of illicit drugs in footy, the culture at the club & the personal issues & allegations against some of our players & officials ...

    We do not take these issues & this decision lightly & of course we believe that these serious matters affecting the club we love & are so passionate about are worthy of discussion & debate & I wish we could provide a place where these matters can be discussed in a civil & respectful manner.

    However these discussions unfortunately invariably devolve into areas that may be defamatory, libelous, spread unsubstantiated rumours & can effect the mental health of those involved. Even discussion & debate of known facts or media reports can lead to finger pointing, blame & personal attacks.

    The repercussion is that these discussions can open this website, it’s owners & it’s users to legal action & may result in this website being forced to shutdown.

    Our moderating team are all volunteers & cannot moderate the forum 24/7 & as a consequence problematic content that contravenes our rules & standards may go unnoticed for some time before it can be removed.

    We reserve the right to delete posts that offend against our above policy & indeed, to ban posters who are repeat offenders or who breach our code of conduct.

    WE HAVE BUILT A FANTASTIC ONLINE COMMUNITY AT DEMONLAND OVER THE PAST 23 YEARS & WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE CLUB WE LOVE & ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT.

    Thank you for your continued support & understanding. Go Dees.


JUDGEMENT DAY - THE "BOMBER" 34


Whispering_Jack

Recommended Posts

52 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

That's not quite correct od. Fitzpatrick has pointed out that they want to give Jobe an opportunity to be heard as to his arguments why he should be able to keep the medal. Clearly that couldn't happen before today. I think it's a proper process. (And I think the AFL will have no choice but to take his medal from him.)

Surely Jobe has had his chance many times to come clean on PED cheating. He is now a convicted drug cheat. He was cheating the year he won the Brownlow. There is no discussion. You are a guilty drug cheat give it back, end of discussion. 

 

PS: Hey Lance Armstrong, do you want to discuss why you should keep your Tour de France trophy's. 

 

PPS: Why ask a cheat why he should keep his ill gotten gain. Do you ask a thief is he should keep his booty when he is caught? AFL you are a joke.

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Tanner is on about how the players should have got a no fault discount. Still doesn't get that not one of them checked where they should have and every one of them didn't disclose the truth to ASADA when asked. 

I wonder sometimes where these people get off but then I remembered he is an ex poly so doesn't know the right thing if it bit him. Hope he makes himself look as silly as Marsh did. 

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, Chris said:

Tanner is on about how the players should have got a no fault discount. Still doesn't get that not one of them checked where they should have and every one of them didn't disclose the truth to ASADA when asked. 

I wonder sometimes where these people get off but then I remembered he is an ex poly so doesn't know the right thing if it bit him. Hope he makes himself look as silly as Marsh did. 

Exactly. From page 13 of the verdict:

"As to sanction, the Players cannot show lack of significant fault or negligence in committing the anti-doping rule violations because, inter alia, they signed the consent form to receive the prohibited substance, receiving the injections and failed to disclose the injections on doping control forms."

In other words, TB4 was listed on the consent form, then they failed to disclose it.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The AFL sanctioned EFC and Hird for 'poor governance'.  Since then Worksafe found them guilty of an unsafe workplace and CAS found the players guilty of drug cheating.  Surely, the AFL has to go back and raise new sanctions against EFC based on this new evidence.

The AFL decision on this, Watson's brownlow and removing EFC from the ANZAC day game, will be telling.

Can't help but think the AFL they will stoop to new lows in spin, whitewash and camouflage to protect EFC and the AFl 'brand'. 

 

I'm thinking there should be several secret Reports about the AFL AFLPA etc on their way to the Federal Government right now. Lets hope they don't get lost!!!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

People forget this is a result of the actions of the EFC.. not Wada, had they not had a supplements program it wouldn't have happened, the blame 100% sits with the Essendon football club.

the reactions have been disgraceful from the AFL, AFLPA and EFC, totally ignoring the evidence and once again acting like WADA is the big bad wolf out to get them for no reason.

If jobe keeps his brownlow and EFC are able to gain pick 1 next year it will be a reflection of what a joke the AFL is, they cheated.

 

  • Like 9
Link to comment
Share on other sites

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/essendon-verdict-players-not-at-fault-says-bill-shorten-20160112-gm42j8.html

It is disgraceful that the Leader of the Opposition (our alternative Prime Minister) is effectively undermining CAS's decision, without any consideration for the clean sportspeople that represent our country. 

He clearly hasn't read the judgement so appears a bit of an uninformed dill!

 

  • Like 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites


Just now, Lucifer's Hero said:

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/essendon-verdict-players-not-at-fault-says-bill-shorten-20160112-gm42j8.html

It is disgraceful that the Leader of the Opposition (our alternative Prime Minister) is effectively undermining CAS's decision, without any consideration for the clean sportspeople that represent our country. 

He clearly hasn't read the judgement so appears a bit of an uninformed dill!

 

Well, that might be 34 votes he's tied up for the next election. Not sure where any more will be coming from, though.

  • Like 8
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Don't know whether is has been mentioned. Silly Gil did say that we can upgrade a player from the rookie list to a senior spot immediately as if the were Long Term Injury.

Don't know about our salary for Milkman but Essendon have to allow the players wage in their salary cap even though they aren't getting paid. and will get allowance from AFL for the top-ups.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/essendon-verdict-players-not-at-fault-says-bill-shorten-20160112-gm42j8.html

It is disgraceful that the Leader of the Opposition (our alternative Prime Minister) is effectively undermining CAS's decision, without any consideration for the clean sportspeople that represent our country. 

He clearly hasn't read the judgement so appears a bit of an uninformed dill!

 

Keep in mind silver spoon Shorten is a prized dlckhead  of the highest order. He's just fishing for friends as he has so few.

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

14 minutes ago, Seraph said:

Exactly. From page 13 of the verdict:

"As to sanction, the Players cannot show lack of significant fault or negligence in committing the anti-doping rule violations because, inter alia, they signed the consent form to receive the prohibited substance, receiving the injections and failed to disclose the injections on doping control forms."

In other words, TB4 was listed on the consent form, then they failed to disclose it.

In all sincerity, what a terrible irony for the players. They're rightfully concerned about taking prohibited and seek assurances from the club and ask for those assurances to be put in writing. Which they are given and they then sign the form. And this becomes a factor in not being to able to argue no significant fault or negligence. Ouch

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

The only downside in this situation is that the AFL doesn't have a promotion / relegation system. I would love to see Essendon spend the next ten years working their way back up from Division 4 in the amateurs, as Juventus had to do in the Italian Serie A.

As for Melksham and Goodwin, I can't see why we would want either to be at this club. Melksham - very average player and confirmed drug cheat. Goodwin - no coaching experience and present at Essendon at time of said drug cheating. Really disappointed that both are here.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, binman said:

In all sincerity, what a terrible irony for the players. They're rightfully concerned about taking prohibited and seek assurances from the club and ask for those assurances to be put in writing. Which they are given and they then sign the form. And this becomes a factor in not being to able to argue no significant fault or negligence. Ouch

That's what happens when you ask a football coach about signing forms and you don't speak to your manager about getting legal advice. Stupid all around.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

56 minutes ago, nutbean said:

I have always been in players camp - when your coach/administration stands up in front of the entire squad and says " we will be doing a supplement program - don't worry its all kosher" ( paraphrasing is mine) - team first and foremost dictates you would have accepted this. It did strike me as odd that not one parent or manager questioned or queried what was transpiring but not that the players didn't. I have spoken to a couple of players and they have said that they have on many occasions being given a pain killer or something of that kind  by the club doctor without asking what is was. As a player, you are conditioned not to question "the team".

 

However after reading this   Of 30 ASADA testing missions during the period in question, none of the 18 players tested declared the injections, despite being asked each time whether they had taken any supplements.”my sympathy has gone down the gurgler. I fully expect that if the players thought everything they were taking was kosher then they would have had no problem answering the above questions truthfully.  Being asked 30 times whether they are taking supplements and 30 times answering no....sorry...no sympathy for the players at all.

i listened to a (current) afl player (anonymous) giving an interview on 3aw with tony jones (ess supporter) this morning.

he basically disputes your first para. he claimed that from tac level on the players are continually warned and educated on the taking of substances. they are trained to trust no-one, club, coach, players, manager, doctor etc. that they are solely responsible and they are personally given numbers to call to check. he went on to give a lot of detail and examples

jones kept butting in with all the usual but...but.. type arguments and he swept them all away with lots of knowledge and first hand examples

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites


3 hours ago, faultydet said:

CAS has delivered the verdict that many of us had been expecting all along.

I'm annoyed about the small penalty, as I was hoping they would miss 2 seasons, but I'm jumping for joy at a guilty finding.

 

For all of those media sycophants, and delusional essedon supporters, who have been spouting [censored] through the whole saga, I say this.

 

Just because you want something so so bad, it doesnt mean that if you say something often enough, that it will come true. Your twisting of, or simple ignoring, of blindingly obvious facts, has painted you all as fools of the highest order. Years of pushing an agenda, of telling and re telling the story through your essedon tainted glasses, in a vain attempt to influence people, thinking this would help to get your boys off, has been seen by CAS for what it was. Nothing but bummers propaganda.

 

You, essedon, are now CONVICTED DRUG CHEATS.

Many of you are STILL arguing that this was some kind of conspiracy, a setup.

But you have been found GUILTY of using PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS.

And one other thing. You were convicted using evidence that was gathered by ASADA. ASADA evidence had you convicted as drug cheats. ASADA AND BEN MCDEVITT KICKED YOUR CHEATING ASSES. The little afl tribunal couldnt protect you from bigger forces, that dont give a stuff about your insignificant schit stain of a club

 

You filthy, stinking, cheating drug users. May you suffer for years after your players return. I hope all of you delusional priks choke on your wasted words.

You lost - Clean sport won.

Die essedon. Just die.

Poetic words Faulty...I agree 100%

I will despise & hate these lousy stinking drug cheats for decades long after i am dead....

Link to comment
Share on other sites

51 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

I'd hate if one of the 'other' clubs in this get caught out under the salary cap, if we for example still have to include milkshake's payments under our cap, then the rookie we nominate gets match payments that are in excess of the cap, surely there'll be some relief. I know that in a normal season rookies get elevated and the club would make allowances, but this could potentially be for the whole season, and still have the normal season events. 

if it is michie as expected then it is reported he is not on a rookie salary but maintained his previous list salary

so no net increase needed (or maybe a minor difference)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I am awed by how they conducted this inquiry with no leaks. Contrasts with the home town, boys club, nudge nudge wink wink 'investigation' by the AFL.

The leaking EFC and the Herald Sun fan boi's have been shown up as the demented fools they are.

  • Like 7
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 11/1/2016 at 2:05 PM, Sir Why You Little said:

Hahaha John Worsfold Hahahaha

what a new job

karma...

Could've been A LOT worse. Essendon have planned a long way out for this. They have been offloading their players for a few years. Opposition teams have been silly enough to pay top value for these players, and Essendon have netted themselves some handy pick ups in the meantime. Well played by the Bombers. Worsfold doesn't have that bad a gig, there is ZERO pressure on him this year, and next year he'll get top picks (assuming there isn't further draft bans) and his original players will return. Probably the easiest of the coaching gigs in 2016 and he'd be getting paid a stack. If that is karma, yes please.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, binman said:

Slobbo says ' FEW people would have predicted today’s guilty outcome".

Really? He mustn't read Demonland. 

 

I think he was referring to the Essendon bubble he lives in. Surely...

 

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

Could've been A LOT worse. Essendon have planned a long way out for this. They have been offloading their players for a few years. Opposition teams have been silly enough to pay top value for these players, and Essendon have netted themselves some handy pick ups in the meantime. Well played by the Bombers. Worsfold doesn't have that bad a gig, there is ZERO pressure on him this year, and next year he'll get top picks (assuming there isn't further draft bans) and his original players will return. Probably the easiest of the coaching gigs in 2016 and he'd be getting paid a stack. If that is karma, yes please.

plus the serious potential of snagging pick 1 in 2016 and welcoming back Hurley, Hooker, Heppell and co for next year, I don't imagine Watson will come back.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

Could've been A LOT worse. Essendon have planned a long way out for this. They have been offloading their players for a few years. Opposition teams have been silly enough to pay top value for these players, and Essendon have netted themselves some handy pick ups in the meantime. Well played by the Bombers. Worsfold doesn't have that bad a gig, there is ZERO pressure on him this year, and next year he'll get top picks (assuming there isn't further draft bans) and his original players will return. Probably the easiest of the coaching gigs in 2016 and he'd be getting paid a stack. If that is karma, yes please.

Yes I agree. But Essendrug did not plan for 12 months...No way. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    LEADERS OF THE PACK by The Oracle

    I was asked to write a preview of this week’s Round 8 match between Melbourne and Geelong. The two clubs have a history that goes right back to the time when the game was starting to become an organised sport but it’s the present that makes the task of previewing this contest so interesting. Both clubs recently reached the pinnacle of the competition winning premiership flags in 2021 and 2022 respectively, but before the start of this season, many good judges felt their time had passed - n

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 2

    PODCAST: Kade Chandler Interview

    I'm interviewing Melbourne Football Club's small forward Kade Chandler tomorrow for the Demonland Podcast. I'll be asking him about his road from being overlooked in the draft to his rookie listing to his apprenticeship as a sub to VFL premiership to his breakout 2023 season to mainstay in the Forwadline and much more. If you have any further questions let me know below and I'll see if I can squeeze them in. I will release the podcast at some time tomorrow so stay tuned.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 13

    TRAINING: Monday 29th April 2024

    Demonland Trackwatcher Kev Martin was on hand at Gosch's Paddock for Monday's training session and made the following observations. About 38 to 40  players down at training.  BBB walking laps.  Charlie Spargo still in rehab, doing short run throughs.  Christian Salem has full kit on and doing individual work with a trainer. He is is starting to get into some sprints. I cannot see Andy Moniz-Wakefield out there. Jack Viney and Kade Chandler have broken away from the

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    DISCO INFERNO by Whispering Jack

    Two weeks ago, when the curtain came down on Melbourne’s game against the Brisbane Lions, the team trudged off the MCG looking tired and despondent at the end of a tough run of games played in quick succession. In the days that followed, the fans wanted answers about their team’s lamentable performance that night and foremost among their concerns was whether the loss was a one off result of fatigue or was it due to other factor(s) of far greater consequence.  As it turns out, the answer to

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 16

    TIGERS PUNT CASEY by KC from Casey

    The afternoon atmosphere at the Swinburne Centre was somewhat surreal as the game between Richmond VFL and the Casey Demons unfolded on what was really a normal work day for most Melburnians. The Yarra Park precinct marched to the rhythm of city life, the trains rolled by, pedestrians walked by with their dogs and the traffic on Punt Road and Brunton Avenue swirled past while inside the arena, a football battle ensued. And what a battle it was? The Tigers came in with a record of two wins f

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    PREGAME: Rd 08 vs Geelong

    After returning to the winners list the Demons have a 10 day break until they face the unbeaten Cats at the MCG on Saturday Night. Who comes in and who goes out for this crucial match?

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 390

    PODCAST: Rd 07 vs Richmond

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 29th April @ 8:30pm. Join George, Binman & I as we analyse the Demons victory at the MCG against the Tigers in the Round 07. You questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human. Listen & Chat

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 44

    VOTES: Rd 07 vs Richmond

    Last week Captain Max Gawn overtook reigning champion Christian Petracca in the Demonland Player of the Year Award. Steven May, Jack Viney & Alex Neal-Bullen make up the Top 5. Your votes for the win against the Tigers. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 54

    POSTGAME: Rd 07 vs Richmond

    The Demons put their foot down after half time to notch up a clinical win by 43 points over the Tigers at the MCG on ANZAC Eve keeping touch with the Top 4.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 387
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...