Changes v the Roos

[dazzledavey36 55,912]

Was anb good enough to stay? Im not convinced he has much

Did you actually watch him on the weekend??

[Fat Tony 5,313]

B Howe, Dunn, Jetta
HB Lumumba, Fitzpatrick, Garland
C Watts, Vince, Grimes
HF Brayshaw, Hogan, Harmes
F T McDonald, Dawes, Garlett
Fol Gawn, Viney, N Jones
Int Tyson, Cross, Vandenberg, Neal-Bullen (sub)

In: Fitzpatrick

Out: Michie

• We need to give Fitzpatrick another opportunity before the end of the year and Ben Brown is a very good player and a tough match up. Fitzpatrick can also help give Gawn a chop out.
• I think we should continue to trial McDonald forward. Dunn will take Petrie and Garland on Waite.
• Poor Michie hasn’t been able to find enough of the ball at AFL level.
• I still think we lack outside run, but neither Matt Jones or JKH had great VFL reports. (I considered dropping Neal-Bullen, but he has only just come back into the side and is clearly too good for the VFL.)

[Coq au vin 755]

Harmes may get rested, I know he did well as the sun but if bring Salem in as the sub if fit.

Prob only change I'd make. Grimes whilst his kicking was t great at times still defends really well.

Michie deserves another game to show if he is up to it.

Maybe Newton to return if he plays well.

In what way does Grimes defend really well? Edited August 3, 2015 by Kali

[WhyAlwaysMe 237]

Jamar in as the Sub, has a ruckman been tried as a sub before ? if so who & how did it go ?

[Forest Demon 4,681]

Jamar in as the Sub, has a ruckman been tried as a sub before ? if so who & how did it go ?

I always remember when they first introduced the sub, we played Sydney Round 1. Sydney were on top and it came time to trigger the subs, Mark Seaby came on for them, and Ricky Petterd came on for us. We came back and snatched a draw from memory. Never seen a ruckman be the sub since.

[Nasher 33,617]

You want your sub to be a fresh set of running legs. If you really feel the need for two ruckman, start them both and sub one off later if it's not working.

I remember discussing this when the rule was introduced, and my view was that a ruckman should never be the sub. That view hasn't changed.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

You want your sub to be a fresh set of running legs. If you really feel the need for two ruckman, start them both and sub one off later if it's not working.

I remember discussing this when the rule was introduced, and my view was that a ruckman should never be the sub. That view hasn't changed.

The first ever game with the sub rule Melbourne used Petterd who came on and an immediate impact, Sydney our opposition used Seaby. I don't think I've seen a ruckman used as a sub since.

[WhyAlwaysMe 237]

The first ever game with the sub rule Melbourne used Petterd who came on and an immediate impact, Sydney our opposition used Seaby. I don't think I've seen a ruckman used as a sub since.

i dont remember the game however the Petterd/Seaby stats don't indicate any impact to the game, anyway i was just thinking out loud as something will have to be done this week.

Edited August 3, 2015 by budge

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

You want your sub to be a fresh set of running legs. If you really feel the need for two ruckman, start them both and sub one off later if it's not working.

I remember discussing this when the rule was introduced, and my view was that a ruckman should never be the sub. That view hasn't changed.

Agree and that's what I think we should do for this game.

Goldy is in a class of his own and I think we need two ruckmen to smash into him all day.

Sub Jamar off at some point. Gawn to play deep forward whilst resting means Hogan won't necessarily have best defender. Dawes plays third fiddle and hopefully makes a statement.

I'd love to bring in White this week for Grimes and Newton in for Michie.

Doubt it'll happen but I'd like to see it.

Ins: Jamar, White and Newton

Outs: Michie, Grimes and Harmes

Harmes stiff but I like the way we've been giving those young boys a taste. He's not playing badly, but I reckon he could find some more footy. Having him and Neal-Bullen playing is one too many who just don't see enough of it. Neither of them are impacting enough and against a team like North we need some big contributions from most.

Edited August 3, 2015 by stevethemanjordan

[daisycutter 29,894]

In what way does Grimes defend really well?

well put it this way, his defensive game is light years ahead of his offensive game

[Demon_JB 1,389]

OUT: Michie, Grimes

In: Fitzpatrick, Salem

[Dockett 32 1,239]

Need to cover Brown and its true that he's a difficult match up, but usually Harvey , Thomas and their smaller , quicker brigade cause us the most problems IMO.

[thevil1 421]

In what way does Grimes defend really well?

Reads the play exceptionally well, takes intercept marks & helps out defensively really well as a result. He has some close down speed & is a good spoiler. He is loose at times but is often given the sweeper role due to his other attributes and as such most sweeper style defenders do get caught out from time to time. He has been solid on gun midfielders who rest forward many times in his career. Defense is not Grimes big problem, it's what he does with the ball when he gets it that has been his issue. He tries to do too much, tries to be too cute & isn't anywhere near skilled enough or strong enough with his disposal. He doesn't provide enough with his forward thrusts out of defense either.

I am by no means a Grimes fanboy but he does have some very good afl attributes and some very poor ones. I think this coaching group is well aware of his game & have been trying to help him fix it. He could still be a very valuable contributer, he has another year on his contract & he has eaten a lot of humble pie this year & has not dropped his head once but kept working on his game as the coaches have instructed. He shouldn't be a the whipping boy anymore & if he is named in our best 22 again it is because no one on the list is ready right now to replace him or the job he is currently doing.

Most likely in this week based on Casey & our next opponent is Fitzy. Personally I am predicting no change unless someone is too sore next week. We looked stuffed towards the end of the 3rd qtr on the weekend but the way we finished them off in the 4th, I reckon our coaches will be looking to take that momentum straight into next week with as little change as possible.

Edited August 3, 2015 by thevil1

[La Dee-vina Comedia 17,053]

Agree and that's what I think we should do for this game.

Goldy is in a class of his own and I think we need two ruckmen to smash into him all day.

Sub Jamar off at some point. Gawn to play deep forward whilst resting means Hogan won't necessarily have best defender. Dawes plays third fiddle and hopefully makes a statement.

I'd love to bring in White this week for Grimes and Newton in for Michie.

Doubt it'll happen but I'd like to see it.

Ins: Jamar, White and Newton

Outs: Michie, Grimes and Harmes

Harmes stiff but I like the way we've been giving those young boys a taste. He's not playing badly, but I reckon he could find some more footy. Having him and Neal-Bullen playing is one too many who just don't see enough of it. Neither of them are impacting enough and against a team like North we need some big contributions from most.

I agree with you...I doubt it will happen. If we only made one change after a bad loss, unless there are injuries, I can't see why there would be three changes after a good win.

[Leoncelli_36 2,264]

Ben Brown flogged us last time if i recall correctly. Pretty sure it was a breakout game for him. Fitzy looks like the ideal match up for him. For that reason, I would bring him in. If Salem is fit and ready then bring him in..not sure he has done enough reserves work yet though.

[FireOath 290]

Out: Michie, Harmes (if Kent is ready)

In: Salem, Kent (if ready)

Edited August 3, 2015 by Barra17

[Wunders 397]

Out: Grimes, Michie

In: Newton, Fitzpatrick.

Seems reasonable given the team and the VFL report.

[Gorgoroth 13,185]

I was t saying Harmes should be rested, I said he may be rested.

Young kid, played a couple then a sub game, when that happened to ANB or Stretch they got rested the week after.

[old dee 24,006]

Out: Michie, Harmes (if Kent is ready)

In: Salem, Kent (if ready)

Barra there is no chance Kent will play he has played 2 quarters two weeks ago in the Casey Seconds that was his first game in months.

He could not play a full game in Casey seconds let alone the AFL.

Think of him in 2016

[WhyAlwaysMe 237]

Nahas is playing well in the twos & is likely to be called up, lets hope Jetta can break his arm. AGAIN.

https://youtu.be/XR-brjU0L7Q

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

In what way does Grimes defend really well?

you know, using his fist to stop his opponent marking it, things like that

[RalphiusMaximus 6,105]

I don't think we'll be seeing Salem quite yet. Let him have a bit longer to build up in the two's.

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,654]

Harmes stiff but I like the way we've been giving those young boys a taste. He's not playing badly, but I reckon he could find some more footy. Having him and Neal-Bullen playing is one too many who just don't see enough of it. Neither of them are impacting enough and against a team like North we need some big contributions from most.

I thought 8 possessions in just over a quarter of footy was more than sufficient

[RalphiusMaximus 6,105]

I thought 8 possessions in just over a quarter of footy was more than sufficient

Agreed. Plus a goal. That's as much impact as Stretch had in a few games, more than vandenBerg had against the Saints. None of these young players are in the side because they are the best available right now. If we were worried about that then Bail and Matt Jones would be in there. We're giving the kids a run to get them used to the pace and intensity. You saw how important that is when ANB went back to Casey and had 40 disposals. It's about getting them to up their intensity to AFL level so they know what they need to do to earn a spot on their own merits.

[Deecisive 1,709]

fitzy in to give us another tall option both as a ruckman and a possible backman, we found it damn hard to match up brown last time, we don't want to make the same mistake again. Fitzy gives us better options.