POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 16

[Bitter but optimistic 22,065]

Well I would, but I broke my hand on the seat in front of me at the Brisbane game in the third quarter doing a Clarkson.

Oh FFS man!! Harden up!! One hand will do the trick.

[daisycutter 29,334]

Oh delivery me

did you mean oh deliverance me, od?

[daisycutter 29,334]

hate to think what r&b thinks a stab kick was

[RalphiusMaximus 6,012]

It is very easy to fix.

The holding the ball rules should be that if you take possession you must either kick it or hand pass it to dispose of the ball, none of this 'it was knocked out int he tackle' nonsense. If you have had prior opportunity (i.e a couple of steps/seconds) and you are tackled and it causes a stoppage then it is a free kick.

The only way there should be a ball up is if someone is tackled without any prior opportunity and it ends in a stoppage. how many times these days do you see the ball dropped, thrown, knocked out and nothing, the ump just waits until 10 players are all on top of the ball. Pay the first free and the game moves on, opens up, and the stoppages disappear.

See, that would be umpiring according to the actual Rules, and you can't have that.

The biggest issue in the game right now is that we have an administrative body which has collectively forgotten that it's sole purpose is to facilitate the playing of the game. We have the precious little darlings who can't be criticised or they might just die from shock. we have the AFL commission, in theory independent but in reality each fighting and clawing desperately for their former clubs. We have the MRP promoting the latest agenda. We have the Laws of the Game committee trying to sanitise the game until it is no longer recognisable...

Far too many people who think that it's all about them.

[Red and Bluebeard 2,075]

Oh delivery me

Deliver you what? A pizza? Or just deliver you from smart-arse pedants like me ....

[Red and Bluebeard 2,075]

hate to think what r&b thinks a stab kick was

Bruce Lee holding a knife in his foot?

[Bitter but optimistic 22,065]

Deliver you what? A pizza? Or just deliver you from smart-arse pedants like me ....

Bruce Lee holding a knife in his foot?

You're doing banal beautifully R&B

[jnrmac 19,892]

I got a great idea for all the right poster who hate Paul roos game plan, lets sack him re-hire neeld we will still score 60 points, but the other team will kick 25 goals, then they won't have anything to complain about ugly wins.

I think you're still angry.....

[Red and Bluebeard 2,075]

You're doing banal beautifully R&B

Thank you!

[Adam The God 29,368]

Our game plan's improved, we're using the corridor a lot more although we are missing plenty of targets when we do, forcing us to be more conservative as the game goes on.

We've had a few. McCartney, Brayshaw and Garlett (and possibly Goody). Love 'em.

[Demon trucker 1,800]

I think you're still angry.....

i don't think the dogs where complain when they beat the saints and Carlton ugly, now they are going well, also freo e won very ugly against Brisbane, so much better sides won ugly vs Brisbane. Edited July 20, 2015 by not angry anymore

[BarnDee 287]

sure crap game , but who won ? moan whinge , complain , FFS for me a win is exactly that a win i,ll take it ya pack of sooking princes

[Bobby McKenzie 2,322]

Let Jack Watts take most of the kick ins. He is such a reliable and penetrating kick. Dunny of course will do his share.

[What 18,810]

Coaches votes

Melbourne v Brisbane Lions
10 Hogan (Melb)
7 Howe (Melb)
6 Gawn (Melb)
3 Christensen (BL)
3 Viney (Melb)
1 D. Beams (BL)

[SaberFang 7,151]

Wowee, didn't expect both coaches to give Hogan the 5. Impressive.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Wowee, didn't expect both coaches to give Hogan the 5. Impressive.

Guess both coaches recognised that to kick 4 out a total of 12 kicked for the day is very important

[Farmer 821]

Bring back Salem and Kent and this is our future (maybe even Hunt).

I was at the game today and watched Stretch running to the i/change bench two or three times and he was out on his feet.

I hope we see the kids get plenty of games, but I'm happy to see Michie (Brayshaw)/M Jones (Stretch and ANB) come in here and there, to give the kids a week off.

They look pretty spent.

Absolutely rubbish game but a few positives e.g..plank hands marked a few and although at times we were in limbo (waiting for Brisbane to run over the top of us) we managed to hold them at bay. Either that or their goal kicking was as bad as ours last week.

I agree with this.

I think that our pathetic state at the time meant that we played Trengove and Scully too much in their first year, and neither were as good in subsequent years, except that Scully is now hitting some form, albeit that he's not a million dollar star.

I now worry that too much is being expected of Brayshaw, who, although playing reasonably, looks to me to have lost some spark. Viney is also young and working so hard, and Hogan's back remains a worry.

You wouldn't rest them all at once but Im more concerned about the long term future. I would give each of them one match off before season's end

[P-man 13,366]

Coaches votes

Melbourne v Brisbane Lions

10 Hogan (Melb)

7 Howe (Melb)

6 Gawn (Melb)

3 Christensen (BL)

3 Viney (Melb)

1 D. Beams (BL)

Crossy robbed.

What the hell did Beams do to earn a vote? He laboured through the entire game doing two fifths of stuff all.

[Coq au vin 755]

The idea of doing a pre-season is to build up your endurance to be able to run out games and not fatigue during the year, the more pre-seasons you have, the more prepared your body.

The young ones don't have that base that the older players do.

So, I expect some of the kids to slow down and be more inconsistent in the last 7 weeks.

Doesn't mean I would rest them, but that is what I expect to see.

That's just plain nonsense. Endurance is related to cardiovascular fitness. It doesn't build up from one year to the next in a cumulative fashion related to how many preseasons you get under your belt. It's related to how much aerobic exercise you do in the past few weeks. If you keep doing aerobic exercise you keep fit. If you stop or curtail the exercise you become less fit as your body is less able to move the oxygen around as effectively and your muscles are less able to use it as efficiently. Edited July 20, 2015 by Kali

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

Crossy robbed.

What the hell did Beams do to earn a vote? He laboured through the entire game doing two fifths of stuff all.

Agreed, I would've thought that Cross deserved a few. If I were looking for Brisbane players to give votes to I'd have had Taylor ahead of Beams. I suppose we're just more knowledgable than Roos and Leppitsch...

[Arrow 1,257]

Agreed, I would've thought that Cross deserved a few. If I were looking for Brisbane players to give votes to I'd have had Taylor ahead of Beams. I suppose we're just more knowledgable than Roos and Leppitsch...

I rated Taylor's 32 possessions as close to the worst 32 possession game I've ever seen. That bloke doesn't kick more than 20 meters, just does rubbish dinky kicks and his disposal efficiency was putrid!

[monoccular 17,320]

An uglier win was v Collingwood in Sep 1964. Scrappy play, no forward line and a fluke snap getting us over the line.

Ah yes. What a horrible game that was.

Don't forget that TGNWS was furious with #5 for going so far forward, but did forgive him when the siren sounded :-)))

That's just plain nonsense. Endurance is related to cardiovascular fitness. It doesn't build up from one year to the next in a cumulative fashion related to how many preseasons you get under your belt. It's related to how much aerobic exercise you do in the past few weeks. If you keep doing aerobic exercise you keep fit. If you stop or curtail the exercise you become less fit as your body is less able to move the oxygen around as effectively and your muscles are less able to use it as efficiently.

The 'fatigue ' shown especially by young players late in the season is probably partly mental burn out and also a result of unaccustomed battering and bruising than pure lack of endurance then. Edited July 20, 2015 by monoccular

[Pates 9,625]

Bit surprised looking at the coaches votes that Viney only got the 3. Nullified Rockliff and played a very fine game of his own.

[Gorgoroth 12,705]

Zorko was better than Beams

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

I rated Taylor's 32 possessions as close to the worst 32 possession game I've ever seen. That bloke doesn't kick more than 20 meters, just does rubbish dinky kicks and his disposal efficiency was putrid!

He still managed to cut Melbourne up quite a few times.