Patrick McCartin

[TheoX 1,220]

Comprehension issues again.

Maybe you should finish primary school before trying to comment on one of my posts.

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Cheap shots and spin again. You're all class Machsy.

Edited October 31, 2014 by TheoX

[picket fence 16,800]

Just in regards to those saying McCartin is only an old-school key forward, I highly recommend reading the following from the AFL website's going places.

With teammate Dylan Hodge's ankle injury restricting him to deep in attack, McCartin played a new role, roaming further up the ground and took 11 marks.

He's heard people question whether he is one-dimensional, and whether he would stand up to the aerobic rigours of back-and-forth modern football at the top level. He thinks he answered those queries.

"I feel people might pigeonhole me as an old-school key forward who doesn't move outside the 50," McCartin says.

"But when I get a chance to play up the ground I usually do it pretty well. It's more been about opportunities. That's been my role to play as a deeper forward and make a contest a bit deeper.

"I'm not too bad about going up the ground," he says.

"That game gave people a look to see that I can do it, it's just that the opportunity hasn't been there.

"It can be a bit annoying that I feel confident in my own ability, but I'm not really worried about what anyone thinks, apart from the team I'm playing for."

SORRY to push the point Demonlanders and I know many on this site don't rate my opinions at all but I gotta say McCartin is not just an old time stay at home forward as this article, already posted suggests. Of all the other TALLS mentioned, none really come close to McCartin in terms of Mongrel, Pack Marking and potentiality to become another Tom Hawkins (who he bases his game around). Consider this, If Hogan has further injury issues do we really want to go with another forward line containing Jack Fitz and Pedo?

Nar lets go with some forward firepower which has the potentiality of Dawes, Hogan, McCartin! Throw in Howe as another option and Garlett and it suddenly becomes highly potent! The mids are sorting out nicely lets get a bit of old fashion brute strength and mongrel in, eh.

[rpfc 28,071]

Well, I'm convinced...

[jabberwocky 2,301]

Well, I'm convinced...

In the negative?

[Deespicable 2,683]

I have said on other threads before that if you watch the current videos, they are just highlights and almost all the players look like magic.

So three key factors you have to take into account are:

1) What the kids personality like - only the club can really comment on whether players have already ruled out on the "no [censored]" policy.

2) Where the draft gurus have rated them - this includes club recruiting officers and the Knightmare's and Paige's of the world who watch games far more regularly than any of us - although they can all get it wrong, quite obviously.

3) If players are rated relatively equally, what positional needs do we have.

This last one we all can comment on given we watch the Demon games and know our weaknesses.

For mine, assuming we take Brayshaw as I'm sure we will, we are assembling a pretty strong inside-mid presence for future with Nat Jones, Viney, Tyson - so why would we take Weller as well?

We have four listed ruckmen for 2015 - Jamar, Gawn, Spencer and King - so why would we take Wright for example to make it five?

We have just picked up Frost to cover Frawley which gives us four pretty good tall defensive options - Tom Mc, Dunn, Garland, Frost - so why would we go for Lever?

We have just recruited outside speed - Garlett, Harry O and Stretch - so why would we go for another classy outside type like Pickett or Laverde?

We lack a classy left-foot defender - but Liam Duggan, Harrison Wigg and Corey Eills are all rated between 10-30 in draft so its a big stretch to claim one of them with pick 3.

We have just lost Clark and while Pedo made a big improvement we only have two tall genuine forwards - Dawes, Hogan (sorry I don't rate Fitzy) - so why wouldn't we choose McCartin?

[Redleg 40,357]

I have said on other threads before that if you watch the current videos, they are just highlights and almost all the players look like magic.

So three key factors you have to take into account are:

1) What the kids personality like - only the club can really comment on whether players have already ruled out on the "no [censored]" policy.

2) Where the draft gurus have rated them - this includes club recruiting officers and the Knightmare's and Paige's of the world who watch games far more regularly than any of us - although they can all get it wrong, quite obviously.

3) If players are rated relatively equally, what positional needs do we have.

This last one we all can comment on given we watch the Demon games and know our weaknesses.

For mine, assuming we take Brayshaw as I'm sure we will, we are assembling a pretty strong inside-mid presence for future with Nat Jones, Viney, Tyson - so why would we take Weller as well?

We have four listed ruckmen for 2015 - Jamar, Gawn, Spencer and King - so why would we take Wright for example to make it five?

We have just picked up Frost to cover Frawley which gives us four pretty good tall defensive options - Tom Mc, Dunn, Garland, Frost - so why would we go for Lever?

We have just recruited outside speed - Garlett, Harry O and Stretch - so why would we go for another classy outside type like Pickett or Laverde?

We lack a classy left-foot defender - but Liam Duggan, Harrison Wigg and Corey Eills are all rated between 10-30 in draft so its a big stretch to claim one of them with pick 3.

We have just lost Clark and while Pedo made a big improvement we only have two tall genuine forwards - Dawes, Hogan (sorry I don't rate Fitzy) - so why wouldn't we choose McCartin?

Stop talking logic.

Also Pedo and Dawes could be gone in a couple of years and maybe even Fitzy. What would our forward line look like then? Actually what does it look like with them?

[Davos 803]

Just on Duggan, I can almost assure you whoever takes him will get the steal of the draft.

Should be top 5, but won't be. Absolute silk.

[Machsy 2,858]

Cheap shots and spin again. You're all class Machsy.

Cheap shots? Doesn't get any cheaper.

You can't even understand the simple points that I've made.

It's like fishing with grenades.

[Wunders 396]

We have four listed ruckmen for 2015 - Jamar, Gawn, Spencer and King - so why would we take Wright for example to make it five?

We would take Wright because he is also a forward - but i'd prefer McCartin for his aggression

Edited October 31, 2014 by Wunders

[CBDees 3,165]

We would take Wright because he is also a forward - but i'd prefer McCartin for his aggression

Not only is he a forward but he also is a better kick than most of our current list including our four existing [notional] rcukmen!

[beelzebub 23,240]

We would take Wright because he is also a forward - but i'd prefer McCartin for his aggression

MFC Bub isnt particularly in favour of selecting tallish blokes with good skills but no mongrel

[Redleg 40,357]

There is an article suggesting we will sign Newton from Port.

If we do, I wonder if that leads to more chance that we will take McCartin if Saints take Petracca.

Pick 2 is probably Brayshaw, a mid, Newton another, Stretch another, Garlett has been rumoured to spend some time in the middle as well and hopefully we would be looking at improvement from Tyson, Riley, Salem, Michie, Toumpas, Kent and JKH etc.

Then again!!!!!!

[spirit of norm smith 15,470]

Warning.

Agree another key forward would be good but

- McCartin is only 193cms

- stronger than TAC full backs but not bigger mature AFL types

- health issues

- prior injuries

- ok kick but more of a 50/50 kick for goal

- weight issues

One dimensional.

Laverde or Wright are better options.

[spirit of norm smith 15,470]

I have said on other threads before that if you watch the current videos, they are just highlights and almost all the players look like magic.

So three key factors you have to take into account are:

1) What the kids personality like - only the club can really comment on whether players have already ruled out on the "no [censored]" policy.

2) Where the draft gurus have rated them - this includes club recruiting officers and the Knightmare's and Paige's of the world who watch games far more regularly than any of us - although they can all get it wrong, quite obviously.

3) If players are rated relatively equally, what positional needs do we have.

This last one we all can comment on given we watch the Demon games and know our weaknesses.

For mine, assuming we take Brayshaw as I'm sure we will, we are assembling a pretty strong inside-mid presence for future with Nat Jones, Viney, Tyson - so why would we take Weller as well?

We have four listed ruckmen for 2015 - Jamar, Gawn, Spencer and King - so why would we take Wright for example to make it five?

We have just picked up Frost to cover Frawley which gives us four pretty good tall defensive options - Tom Mc, Dunn, Garland, Frost - so why would we go for Lever?

We have just recruited outside speed - Garlett, Harry O and Stretch - so why would we go for another classy outside type like Pickett or Laverde?

We lack a classy left-foot defender - but Liam Duggan, Harrison Wigg and Corey Eills are all rated between 10-30 in draft so its a big stretch to claim one of them with pick 3.

We have just lost Clark and while Pedo made a big improvement we only have two tall genuine forwards - Dawes, Hogan (sorry I don't rate Fitzy) - so why wouldn't we choose McCartin?

Remember Lucas Cook ... You do NOT pick by position. I want the best players.

[rjay 24,677]

Warning.

Agree another key forward would be good but

- McCartin is only 193cms

- stronger than TAC full backs but not bigger mature AFL types

- health issues

- prior injuries

- ok kick but more of a 50/50 kick for goal

- weight issues

One dimensional.

Laverde or Wright are better options.

Tex Walker 194cm, Jarryd Roughead 193cm...don't think this is an issue.

Was stronger than full backs in the championships as an under ager.

A lot have injury problems, didn't count out Judd or Selwood being good players.

Most under 18's are one dimensional, one way runners no defensive game, inside or out etc.

These things really are not at issue, the big issue though...is he good enough for pick 3?

[Uncle Fester 2,843]

Fev is/ was 193 IIRC

(Happy to be corrected)

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,550]

Just on Duggan, I can almost assure you whoever takes him will get the steal of the draft.

Should be top 5, but won't be. Absolute silk.

laverde if he slips.

[Demon Disciple 11,802]

McCartin is only 193cms

I don't understand this type of thinking. What would be the acceptable height??? 195cm? 196cm?

Get a ruler and have a look at how big 3cm really is. If you really think that's going to make any difference, then you are so far beyond help it's not funny.

[Its Time for Another 4,088]

Remember Lucas Cook ... You do NOT pick by position. I want the best players.

Agree. In Taylor and Team and Roosy I trust. If it's McCartin I have no doubt it's because they thought he was the best.

I thought Mahoney has already made it clear what they are going to do when he said they would be happy with a mid and a tall or 2 mids. Sounds like McCartin if Petracca is gone or Petracca if McCartin is gone. Either way is good as I chose to trust them and if McCartin works out we have a spine for the next 10 yrs with Frost and him replacing Frawley and Clark so we have a spine to build around.

[samcantstandya 1,031]

I don't understand this type of thinking. What would be the acceptable height??? 195cm? 196cm?

Get a ruler and have a look at how big 3cm really is. If you really think that's going to make any difference, then you are so far beyond help it's not funny.

It all depends on their ability to jump 193 and has a good leap or 198 and can't get off the ground.

[BAMF 4,171]

Fev is/ was 193 IIRC

(Happy to be corrected)

He was only 191cm.

[Redleg 40,357]

He was only 191cm.

Still is.

[BAMF 4,171]

Its a strange perception that a lot of us have.

193cm is bare minimum for a key forward.

194cm is great.

Reality is that its only 1cm.

If he was 192cm I'm sure a lot of us would say he is too short.

Chris Dawes is 193cm and seems on the smaller scale, while N.Riewoldt is listed as 193cm and seems a lot taller than Dawes. Or is that just me?

[Slartibartfast 16,937]

Tex Walker 194cm, Jarryd Roughead 193cm...don't think this is an issue.

David Neitz - 191cm

[Qwerty30 196]

Matthew Pavlich 192 cm

Jay Schultz 193 cm