GOODBYE MR. CHIP FRAWLEY

[beelzebub 22,269]

spuds>>>>chips !!!

[rpfc 27,591]

It's fair to say - one thing Frawley has seemingly been especially loyal/committed to this year is not letting the club know what he intends to do at the end of the season.

I would've thought, by now, he pretty well knows whether he would like to leave or stay. And, if he doesn't, he really is not much more than a simple spud farmer.

So he's stupid?

Because he hasn't decided yet?

Or are you implying he is not stupid because he has?

Cloke and Boak - both in the stupid column...

I know there are players who have already 'signed'* somewhere else during the season, but the inference that that be applied to all who delay talks is pretty 'simple' - especially in the today's landscape.

*Contracts are essentially just a signal of intent, they are meaningless until the actual contract is signed at the end of the season.

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

It beggar's belief that a senior player who has been at the club for a very long time now does not know what he wants to do at the end of the season, so close to the end of the season.

It's either head in the sand stuff or he is fanatically following his player-manager's advice/script. Neither of which are particularly helpful to the club in the current circumstances.

I do, however, think certain posters here are stupid. How, one might reasonably ask, have I reached this conclusion without ever having met them?

Well, I have observed the way that they write, and appear to think, over a very long period of time.

In much the same way as I am able to observe the way in which Frawley conducts himself in interviews and the like, ie, through his conduct and what he says. I don't otherwise know the bloke - but it doesn't mean I can't form a view, and that such a view is without any legitimacy.

Edited August 2, 2014 by Ron Burgundy

[beelzebub 22,269]

Cloke was theatre played out in public. Daddykins was pulling those strings

[jnrmac 19,205]

that's just convenient rationalisation and typical mfcss

Nah its not.

They had to help us but would have been lynched if they gave us a PP.

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

And the Boak re-signing is hardly comparable.

I was actually surprised anyone wanted to play at Port, even an amateur, after that season. It was a basket case.

That Port is now in the position it is, is ironically due to the leadership of the likes of Boak.

Hence, I probably wouldn't be using him as the poster boy for having one's club sweat on a required player's signature for the entire season. Port's situation differed greatly at the time, and Boak is clearly a leader who, despite Port's near insolvent/absolutely hopeless position, loved the club.

But then again, when you're desperately clutching at straws, you have to use any name you can cling on to.

Cloke?! Fair dinkum.

[Axis of Bob 10,309]

Matthew Pavlich. Just about every time he was out of contract.

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

What about the list of senior players who have readily signed up to their respective clubs?

The list is long.

[Ted Lasso 16,968]

I reckon Nathan Jones, Jeremy Howe and col garland will attract interest next year hopefully it's not the same deal

[Axis of Bob 10,309]

What about the list of senior players who have readily signed up to their respective clubs?

The list is long.

The point is that putting off talks until the end of the season does not automatically mean that a player is leaving. It can often be a strategy to get the best possible deal for the player. We saw that with Boak, Cloke, Pavlich etc. If you have multiple clubs bidding for your services at the same time near the deadline, it will likely increase the contract you will receive.

Each situation is unique. So while it increases the chances a player will leave, it is not necessarily the fait d'accompli that everyone is saying it is.

[chook fowler 18,358]

the thing is the talks have not been put off until the end of the year they have been ongoing with other clubs.That's what's getting up everybodies nose.

[JV7 2,339]

I reckon Nathan Jones, Jeremy Howe and col garland will attract interest next year hopefully it's not the same deal

Not in a million years would jonesy leave... Garland & Howe maybe

[beelzebub 22,269]

Matthew Pavlich. Just about every time he was out of contract.

Whilst i'll concede the validity from all reports Pav was NEVER going anywhere . This is about 180 deg to the likelihood surrounding Chip.

[olisik 4,060]

Not in a million years would jonesy leave... Garland & Howe maybe

Howe wont be a free agent

[SaberFang 7,141]

Jones isn't leaving, that's never ever going to happen. Bigger chance of Viney leaving for goodness sake.

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

Matthew Pavlich. Just about every time he was out of contract.

As I understand it, the 'go home' factor loomed large for Pavlich at the end of each contractual period.

[rpfc 27,591]

The point is that putting off talks until the end of the season does not automatically mean that a player is leaving. It can often be a strategy to get the best possible deal for the player. We saw that with Boak, Cloke, Pavlich etc. If you have multiple clubs bidding for your services at the same time near the deadline, it will likely increase the contract you will receive.

Each situation is unique. So while it increases the chances a player will leave, it is not necessarily the fait d'accompli that everyone is saying it is.

Yes, that is what I am saying - apparently I have offended Mr Burgundy to the point where I cannot give examples of players that have waited until their current contract is nearly up before signing the next one.

I am not going to read malice into actions that may be benign.

Kawhi Leonard was the Most Valuable Player in the most recent NBA Finals, he comes out of contract at the end of next season and he has until October 31 (3 days into the season) to sign a contract extension for July 2015 onwards. If he doesn't sign by then he will be a RFA in July 2015.

Essentially, if you didn't sign your player by the start of the season - the rules preclude you from extending his contract until he becomes a FA or RFA at the end of the season.

This is coming, and I welcome it.

[Macca 16,173]

More and more clubs are going to plan their free agent acquisitions very early on.

Frawley may well have already received an "In principle agreement" that he would find hard to knock back. He and his management might have decided to "play off" that possible deal and see what else comes their way.

Just speculating here as I'm not sure whether he's staying or going or whether he has received such an offer. I'd prefer if he stayed as I can see a future for him as a player who can play at either end of the ground for us. We have looked a better team whenever he has played forward for us (generally)

Look for him to shine in the last 5 games though.

[Demon 16 176]

because he can't sign a binding contract until fa period begins otherwise he (and whatever club) is in contravention of afl drafting rules

I meant, why would he wait until the end of the year to sign a contract with Melbourne.

[Redleg 37,909]

the thing is the talks have not been put off until the end of the year they have been ongoing with other clubs.That's what's getting up everybodies nose.

Correct. He is refusing to talk to only one club, his own.

He would now have offers from a few clubs. If he wanted to stay, he would be telling the club what he has been offered and seeing what we can do.

HE IS GONE.

Edited August 2, 2014 by Redleg

[daisycutter 28,639]

I meant, why would he wait until the end of the year to sign a contract with Melbourne.

Oh, ok. I reckon he thinks he can get a substantial uplift in spondulaks plus a crack at finals and is willing to bet against a serious injury in the interim.

self interest before prudence? the hip pocket nerve? manager's strategy? all of that?

we'll never really know despite what he or others subsequently say

[Bitter but optimistic 21,401]

Oh, ok. I reckon he thinks he can get a substantial uplift in spondulaks plus a crack at finals and is willing to bet against a serious injury in the interim.

self interest before prudence? the hip pocket nerve? manager's strategy? all of that?

we'll never really know despite what he or others subsequently say

And ... do we really GAF dc?

[daisycutter 28,639]

And ... do we really GAF dc?

probably not the reasons why bbo

but do we gaf whether he stays or goes? seems many posters don't

6 of one half a dozen of the other, eh?

but it does depend on the compo pick and there is a big diff between band 1 or 2 for us

Edited August 2, 2014 by daisycutter

[Binmans PA 26,301]

the thing is the talks have not been put off until the end of the year they have been ongoing with other clubs.That's what's getting up everybodies nose.

That's purely speculation, chook. He has put off contract talks until the end of the season. As has been said to death in this thread, people better start getting use to this FA paradigm.

[ijbfossil 77]

I am scared that JF will stay and continue to underperform and show poor leadership That treally worries me and maybe other clubs see his attitude as a negative

Bit hard on James I think - tho I think he will go.