WELCOME TO DEMONLAND - PAUL ROOS

[Chook 15,013]

And we can call it "Head Job"

I'm predicting massive ratings.

Surely it couldn't be any worse than the Australian version of the Bachelor,

[beelzebub 23,380]

Then he better choose right.

He got Longmire spot on. Hired Lyon...

And if we play our cards properly, there is no reason why he can't move into his next phase of his career at the Dees - whatever that might be.

Thoroughly agree

People , lets not get down on this as theres a whole lot of powerful good to happen first.

In the end we simply want a successful and stable club, its not about having Roos there for life, its about having some life in the clubs fortunes.

Very interesting time ahead

[P-man 13,366]

And we can call it "Head Job"

I'm predicting massive ratings.

Let's hope they don't blow it.

[DeeVoted 583]

And we can call it "Head Job"

I'm predicting massive ratings.

Some may have trouble getting their head around that outcum

[The HuLK 139]

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/paul-roos-enough-is-enough-melbourne/story-fn7si1vl-1226341132568#

How things change.. Did Roos want the job back then ?

[titan_uranus 25,020]

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/paul-roos-enough-is-enough-melbourne/story-fn7si1vl-1226341132568#

How things change.. Did Roos want the job back then ?

Interesting article.

He starts by talking about how good we were under Bailey when we beat them, then proceeds to highlight everything that was wrong with the Bailey era:

'Far too many of the Demons experienced players love playing the game on their own terms. They run forward of the ball, rely on opposition turnovers and seem capable of starring only when they are not tagged and get silver service from ruckman Mark Jamar. There is no shortage of talent at Melbourne. However there is a shortage of the commitment to the standards required to be, firstly, a great AFL player and, in turn, a great AFL team.'

Not sure what he was trying to say with this one.

[Cards13 9,117]

Hi Brent

[Cards13 9,117]

Hi Brent

[Chook 15,013]

Interesting article.

He starts by talking about how good we were under Bailey when we beat them, then proceeds to highlight everything that was wrong with the Bailey era:

'Far too many of the Demons experienced players love playing the game on their own terms. They run forward of the ball, rely on opposition turnovers and seem capable of starring only when they are not tagged and get silver service from ruckman Mark Jamar. There is no shortage of talent at Melbourne. However there is a shortage of the commitment to the standards required to be, firstly, a great AFL player and, in turn, a great AFL team.'

Not sure what he was trying to say with this one.

That on a good day they could be good (73 points good), but on a bad day they give up (186). Simple.

[Frank Grimes 121]

I think its fraught with danger that we plan to name the Senior Assistant/future senior coach so soon.

it makes no sense that Roos wouldn't want to go through a season with some talented assistants and then choose one at the end of 2014 to be the eventual successor.

What if the guy whos chosen in the coming weeks turns out to be a dud and Roos thinks he doesnt have what it takes

Us naming our future senior coach is no different to any other AFL team naming an untried coach, the only difference is that he will have a few years to learn of the best. Such as port with hinkley, saints with ross lyon, tigers with hardwick and us with neeld. Good thing is though, instead of having garry lyon choosing our next coach, it will be paul roos.

[Striker475 696]

GWS did it with Cameron. Hell, go back to when Roos himself was appointed - after stepping in as caretaker after being an assistant to Rocket!

[jazza 1,323]

mmm just had a thought that glen/pj/and r"oosey were hasseling the AFL for an Anzac day game agaist a fast fading pies,with the mess created by the bombers its a perfect opp for us to grab ANZAC day

justa thought?

[Tricky 341]

mmm just had a thought that glen/pj/and r"oosey were hasseling the AFL for an Anzac day game agaist a fast fading pies,with the mess created by the bombers its a perfect opp for us to grab ANZAC day

justa thought?

I reckon we are lucky to be holding on to the QB event frankly.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

That on a good day they could be good (73 points good), but on a bad day they give up (186). Simple.

At least Neeld dealt with that and we achieved under him a consistency of performance and outcome we could expect and rely on.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

I reckon we are lucky to be holding on to the QB event frankly.

Exactly right.

Getting the Anzac Day game???? LOL.

Much easier to haggle for four 1st round PPs this year.

[Tricky 341]

At least Neeld dealt with that and we achieved under him a consistency of performance and outcome we could expect and rely on.

LOL. Just a pity we couldn't emulate the form we showed so consistently at training on game day.

[The Third Eye 266]

At least Neeld dealt with that and we achieved under him a consistency of performance and outcome we could expect and rely on.

You can't build Rome in a day. It took Bailey almost four years to build a flakey outfit that was home to a large number of footballers who were comfortable in their skins at an environment that didn't always require them to push too hard. Neeld had not only poor cattle but the wrong kind of cattle to achieve the task he set out to achieve and it turned out he was most likely the wrong person. But let's not forget the poisoned chalice that he inherited which is exactly what Roos recognised in that article. He would also by extension, recognise exactly what he's stepped into at the club and therefore, unlike Neeld, will be far better placed to resolve its ills.

[Whispering_Jack 30,228]

You can't build Rome in a day. It took Bailey almost four years to build a flakey outfit that was home to a large number of footballers who were comfortable in their skins at an environment that didn't always require them to push too hard. Neeld had not only poor cattle but the wrong kind of cattle to achieve the task he set out to achieve and it turned out he was most likely the wrong person. But let's not forget the poisoned chalice that he inherited which is exactly what Roos recognised in that article. He would also by extension, recognise exactly what he's stepped into at the club and therefore, unlike Neeld, will be far better placed to resolve its ills.

That's well put and it's what should give us some confidence about Roos' ability to get us moving forward and at a reasonable pace over the next two years.

[Hannibal 5,814]

You can't build Rome in a day. It took Bailey almost four years to build a flakey outfit that was home to a large number of footballers who were comfortable in their skins at an environment that didn't always require them to push too hard. Neeld had not only poor cattle but the wrong kind of cattle to achieve the task he set out to achieve and it turned out he was most likely the wrong person. But let's not forget the poisoned chalice that he inherited which is exactly what Roos recognised in that article. He would also by extension, recognise exactly what he's stepped into at the club and therefore, unlike Neeld, will be far better placed to resolve its ills.

Neeld was completely full of himself for no good reason and interacted with the players accordingly.

Now more than ever coaches need to be managers. They have to be able to get the best out of individuals and have those individuals believing in themselves. Ken Hinkley is a perfect example of a coach whose players believe in him. He also has a good game-plan and tactical nous. A great combination. The players loved Dean Bailey, but he was lacking in other areas.

Neeld was a borderline sociopath.

Edited September 13, 2013 by Ben-Hur

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,851]

That on a good day they could be good (73 points good), but on a bad day they give up (186). Simple.

Mark Neeld made Dean Bailey look like Jock McHale.

[pantaloons 2,019]

Mark Neeld made Dean Bailey look like Jock McHale.

Jock McStrap maybe.

[Whispering_Jack 30,228]

Neeld was completely full of himself for no good reason and interacted with the players accordingly.

Now more than ever coaches need to be managers. They have to be able to get the best out of individuals and have them those individuals believing in themselves. Ken Hinkley is a perfect example of players that believe in their coach. He also has a good game-plan and tactical nous. A great combination. The players loved Dean Bailey, but he was lacking in other areas.

Neeld was a borderline sociopath.

10 signs for spotting a sociopath -

#1) Sociopaths are charming. Sociopaths have high charisma and tend to attract a following just because people want to be around them. They have a "glow" about them that attracts people who typically seek guidance or direction. They often appear to be sexy or have a strong sexual attraction. Not all sexy people are sociopaths, obviously, but watch out for over-the-top sexual appetites and weird fetishes.

#2) Sociopaths are more spontaneous and intense than other people. They tend to do bizarre, sometimes erratic things that most regular people wouldn't do. They are unbound by normal social contracts. Their behavior often seems irrational or extremely risky.

#3) Sociopaths are incapable of feeling shame, guilt or remorse. Their brains simply lack the circuitry to process such emotions. This allows them to betray people, threaten people or harm people without giving it a second thought. They pursue any action that serves their own self interest even if it seriously harms others. This is why you will find many very "successful" sociopaths in high levels of government, in any nation.

#4) Sociopaths invent outrageous lies about their experiences. They wildly exaggerate things to the point of absurdity, but when they describe it to you in a storytelling format, for some reason it sounds believable at the time.

#5) Sociopaths seek to dominate others and "win" at all costs. They hate to lose any argument or fight and will viciously defend their web of lies, even to the point of logical absurdity.

#6) Sociopaths tend to be highly intelligent, but they use their brainpower to deceive others rather than empower them. Their high IQs often makes them dangerous. This is why many of the best-known serial killers who successfully evaded law enforcement were sociopaths.

#7) Sociopaths are incapable of love and are entirely self-serving. They may feign love or compassion in order to get what they want, but they don't actually FEEL love in the way that you or I do.

#8) Sociopaths speak poetically. They are master wordsmiths, able to deliver a running "stream of consciousness" monologue that is both intriguing and hypnotic. They are expert storytellers and even poets. As a great example of this in action, watch this interview of Charles Manson on YouTube.

#9) Sociopaths never apologize. They are never wrong. They never feel guilt. They can never apologize. Even if shown proof that they were wrong, they will refuse to apologize and instead go on the attack.

#10) Sociopaths are delusional and literally believe that what they say becomes truth merely because they say it! Charles Manson, the sociopathic murderer, is famous for saying, "I've never killed anyone! I don't need to kill anyone! I THINK it! I have it HERE! (Pointing to his temple.) I don't need to live in this physical realm..."

Strangely enough, whilst I think that description might match many people in the world of football and even posters on this site, I'm not sure that it does match Mark Neeld. I think he was more a case of someone who was promoted as being a potential AFL coach but when the crunch came, he was simply out of his depth. Likewise Bailey. Neale Daniher could definitely coach in his day but stayed on for too long.

In truth, apart from the early days of Daniher and the Northey era, we haven't had more than a half decent coach for close to 50 years.

[Hannibal 5,814]

10 signs for spotting a sociopath -

Strangely enough, whilst I think that description might match many people in the world of football and even posters on this site, I'm not sure that it does match Mark Neeld. I think he was more a case of someone who was promoted as being a potential AFL coach but when the crunch came, he was simply out of his depth. Likewise Bailey. Neale Daniher could definitely coach in his day but stayed on for too long.

In truth, apart from the early days of Daniher and the Northey era, we haven't had more than a half decent coach for close to 50 years.

I think it fits the nutjob perfectly - except on a few minor points.

[Whispering_Jack 30,228]

I think it fits the nutjob perfectly - except on a few minor points.

You reckon he's "sexy"?

Er ... I'm referring to you and not your avatar.

[Dees2014 2,377]

10 signs for spotting a sociopath -Strangely enough, whilst I think that description might match many people in the world of football and even posters on this site, I'm not sure that it does match Mark Neeld. I think he was more a case of someone who was promoted as being a potential AFL coach but when the crunch came, he was simply out of his depth. Likewise Bailey. Neale Daniher could definitely coach in his day but stayed on for too long.

In truth, apart from the early days of Daniher and the Northey era, we haven't had more than a half decent coach for close to 50 years.

I think the "10 signs" list is the perfect personality profile for Adolf Hitler, but not sure about Mark Neeld. I personally think he was someone promoted way beyond his level of competence, and had the sort of personality (and lack of confidence) which covered it up with aggression and lack of empathy. It is poison for any Organisation to have a leader like that, but is not as rare as you might think. I have come across several in my corporate career. It doesn't take long for those organisations to start falling off a cliff Edited September 13, 2013 by Dees2014