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What a bloody TERRIFIC training report and group of positive, near effusive, comments!!! LOVE the positive vibes.. kudos to all. As for Matty J, we know what he is, and he’s also in his 2nd pre-season. He’s not JVR and we DO NOT want him to be, he’s more of your BBB OR Daniher type, or a Gunston with Height & a leap. He got him to contrast JVR & the club is absolutely RAPT with how he’s come back, his size etc so let’s stay positive & I think he’ll be a player bit it’s gonna take time. McAdam also doesn’t surprise me, sounds like exactly how I’d imagine, he’ll get more fit as we go but he’s never gonna be the fitness king, he’s a burst, magical type player that’ll provide plenty of fun and likely win us a few games from thin-air if he’s around 4-6yrs. Also continually getting vibe Billings is gonna be an epically important i50 player in 2024, hearing right now, all 3 new AFL recruits are in frame for R1 so that’s a great sign if we improve that much by adding 3 1st 22, likely 4-5 if you consider Howes Is also gonna push for a claim, KOLT perhaps can too. God I hate it being so far away, but I can’t blv im this excited buoyed by fact media and punters have jumped right off us, this bodes VERY well indeed.. Promised myself after the loss I wouldn’t get this keen again, boy that one lasted all of 2 training sessions!

Isn't great to get the forum back on track. I'm talking to the 90% of Demonlanders who come here for the right reasons. The other 10% (we all know who) can stop reading now. As is so often the case, WCW leads the way again. Like a lot of us post season, I couldn't bring myself to visit DL for a while, knowing the vitriol and poison that you have to troll through to try and get some understanding of expectations not met. Then you see a post from WCW and others that are hurting just as much but don't feel compelled to kick the dog or point the finger at everyone and everything. I must admit, every time I visit here I am hoping to see a WCW post. Her positivity and insightful humour often changes my mood and day. Hopefully, the naysayers here can take inspiration from her view of life and DL can eventually remove those cigarette package warnings about respect and behaviour.

Will be turning 14 in January some time. Still some water to go under the bridge, bur so far he's had a pretty good start to his small junior career. A best and fairest for Cairns under 12s plus a top 3 finish in the league vote. He's also represented QLD under 12s school boys team which is usually a good indicator that the kid can already play at a young age. He's certainly a watch this space in years to come.

From left to right: Binman, Demonland and George on the Outer

Literally 16 other clubs would LOVE to hold up this 'mediocre cup' for ongoing success of its men's and women's program, as well as a million dollar cheque. Every year only one team wins the flag. Does that make the other 17 clubs irrelevant? Their progress or success unworthy? Our men's side won a flag 2 years ago, and our women's a year ago. We are a strong club with strong performing teams and we have to stop minimising their success, just because they haven't been able to claim the ultimate prize again. Winning is hard enough, winning back to back is even harder. I still remember the days when our season was over before it started. We were a laughing stock. And yet some are still not satisfied with how far we've come since.

I know it’s been said many times already, but I felt compelled to say it again… your post brought a tear to my eye while I read it at work. Having heard him open up a little bit about how tough he has found the footy industry, I’m very sure he greatly appreciated what you said to him on our behalf. Thank you again for a truly beautiful post and a 10/10 training report 😊

For some reason I was picturing this

@Demonland @george_on_the_outer & @binman

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According to Jason Taylor on the Demonland Podcast Marley Davey, the son of Aaron Davey, is one future father/son that the club has their eye on. He will be moving to Melbourne from Cairns to go to school at Xavier and the Dees will start tracking him harder now. He is available to be drafted the year after Kilani White (2025 AFL Draft) which will be at the end of 2026 for the 2027 season.

Saw that the Kolt is already getting in on the grappling sessions Vines does with his bro and Tom Mitchell. Pretty awesome for a young kid to be already putting the extras in! Think we may have a beauty here.

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One of the biggest 'learnings' from 2022 was that we didn't give players outside of the current best 22 enough exposure at senior level. In 2023 we learnt that McVee and JVR are going to be mainstays and have long careers in the AFL. We also saw enough from Woey Jnr to suggest he has good attributes, and likewise Laurie. Howe would have debuted if not for injuries. It is important that no matter where you are in the cycle, you continue to push to develop your younger group. In 2024 I want to see more of Turner, Howe and potentially give the new draftees a little taste. I would hope Chandler can continue to impress, and Laurie is given more chances, as his greatest strength being ball use, is one of our biggest issues. Our window is certainly not coming to a close anytime soon. The biggest issue we will face is replacing May. Gawn is irreplaceable, but likewise you can absolutely win a flag without a gun ruck. Many big bodied average rucks have won their teams flags. Just look at this year. But the core of our group, are still in their prime or yet to hit their prime. While we have the likes of Trac, Clarry and Lever, we will continue to be a very strong contender, so long as we continue to push and develop the other players around them.

I braved the weather and went down for most of the session. Was good, players did some running and stuff.

Braved the elements for half an hour or so, couple of observations. Sestan did a couple of things that made me raise my eyebrows, in a good way. He’s just a smart, clean footballer who makes good decisions. Just needs to build his tank and there’s a real player there. The bloke in 26 is definitely Jed Adams. He looks a hell of a lot like Petty, and has filled out to a similar size, hence the confusion. Petty watched proceeedings from the sidelines but isn’t in a moonboot or anything. Rivers and Woey have gone to new levels physically. Really excited to see where Rivers can get to this year, he was a real standout while I was there. Sparrow was often fumbly, and annoyed at himself. We need him to step up next season. Lever is just an outstanding leader. He's got a great mix between barking orders, giving a spray, and putting an arm around players when needed. Great talker too, for me it’s him and Trac as our next leadership duo. Kept a close eye on Jefferson as I’m really keen for him to him to have a big season, especially if Petty ends up leaving. With the caveat that it was very much not a day for key forwards, I was left a little disappointed. He’s definitely put on a bit of size which is promising but his competitive instincts and follow up play compared to JVR is chalk and cheese. He has a strange posture, sort of hunchbacked, and he just doesn’t seem to relish body contact at all. Another thing I noticed was when Selwyn Griffith had set up a little 30-40m sprint between cones for players rotating out of a drill. He’d bark at the players to go flat out during that time but was half distracted, getting things prepared for the next drill. So nobody was really watching them to make sure they did it properly. EVERYONE, including Windsor, Tholstrup etc did this at 100% and really pushed themselves. Everyone except Jefferson, who took a quick first few steps and then cruised the rest. It probably sounds like nothing, but for me attitude is what often separates the good from the excellent. Hoping I just got him on a bad day, and as I said it undoubtedly was a tough one for the bigger boys.

💯- WCW has a great blend of sass and humility. And a proper grasp of grammar.

If we offered him to Adelaide for two first rounders next year do you think they’d notice the difference?

am new to tbe podcast and appreciated the insights provided on the finals games - really insightful. will be listening to every podcast from now on. who are the hosts BTW - impressive.

Wrong pod. That's the dees in briefs podcast

She's settled in country Vic. I can't see Daisy moving across to WA. Plus i reckon she's learning more coaching a mens team than jumping back to AFLW now

The perfect voice for wock & woll, weggae or whythm & blues! (I'm guessing you don't do wap.)

Jack Grimes, Harry Beitzel and Gary Baker

I can confirm that this is more accurate.

I now understand why you do podcasts and not TV... How does the saying go???

He reminds me so much of Clarry when he first arrived, strange guy, bit rough around the edges but he's got a bit of animal about him. pretty excited to see what he can become.

ive been to a few training sessions myself and had difficulty in just random observations. I could never complete reports as comprehensive as those of all the track watchers. Let alone the ability to concentrate on specific drills or people but reporting on the phone while you are observing. Fantastic work and I really appreciate it

You do have to say the combination of boundary rider and descriptive training reports was certainly different and entertaining to be encouraged

Yep ... I hereby assign all Training Reports at Casey to WCW! 😍

Great point @pitmaster. It's one of the great myths that "we are leaving debt to our children to pay." Firstly, in a crisis such as a war or a pandemic, government creates money that is used to stimulate the economy. In practical terms, this usually means creating additional resources (in the case of a war) or limiting the amount of people at risk of unemployment in the case of a pandemic. The facts are these: Australia’s debt was 120 percent of GDP at the end of the Second World War, yet the economy grew by an average of 4.2 percent in the 1950s and 5.3 percent in the 1960s[1]. Tax receipts rose as a result, which had the effect of reducing the debt. Secondly, even allowing for the government paying interest on its debt, these payments create additional wealth by flowing back through to the economy. So as the government pays interest, on the other side of the ledger, citizens collect income. This income flows back through the economy as financial activity and indeed, results in higher tax revenues via transaction taxes such as the GST and stamp duties for instance. Indeed, the holders of government debt tend to be more wealthy individuals who are going to be subject to higher levels of taxation on the income received from the dividends on the government bonds. This tax is then reinvested by the government in public infrastructure that is passed on to future generations. Classic examples of this inter-generational wealth building is the Sydney Harbour Bridge, Snowy Mountain Hyro-electric scheme and the NBN. These are physical assets that leave future generations better off than the ones that proceeded them. Thirdly, depending on how the inputs are used in the calculation, between 30 and 40 percent of all money created by the Government is returned to it in taxes[2]. So the debt is not the same number as the money created or borrowed. Put simply, for every dollar the government creates, it only has to fund (create and borrow) 60 to 70 percent of the money in reality. Keeping people employed is the best way to ensure that future generations are not burdened with unsustainable welfare payments to a generation of unemployed, or unemployable, citizens. [1] “Fact Check: Did the Government Inherit the 'Worst Set of Accounts' in History?” ABC News. Australian Broadcasting Corporation, March 3, 2016. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-18/fact-check--australia27s-economic-inheritance/6162670?nw=0. [2] “Taxation Revenue, Australia, 2019-20 Financial Year.” Taxation Revenue, Australia. Australian Bureau of Statistics, April 27, 2021. https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/economy/government/taxation-revenue-australia/latest-release#:~:text=Total taxation revenue collected in.

I think that's a pessimistic view Dwight. Exposed by 7 points and 2 points in finals we should have won. If Angus didn’t get laid out we definitely win vs Collingwood and we played far better than Carlton but failed to convert. With an ounce of reasonable fortune, not even good fortune, we're reigning Premiers.

Yeah yeah, we are a rabble. 9 losses in 2023 for a total 79 points combined. It’s a game of fine margins these days and the luck in our forward half disappeared late in the season. Most consistent Melbourne team I’ve seen supporting them. A few tweaks here and there and we are in it up to our eyeballs in 2024.

Please let him know all supporters love him xx

I agree with what you say, but the issues you raised have nothing to do with culture. We obviously had to rework our gameplan after losing our key forwards before and during the finals and losing Brayshaw in the first few minutes of the QF. We didn't have the time or the personnel left to adapt. This may have contributed to the way we played against Carlton. Looking back, I think we did extraordinarily well to be in a position to win both games.

Great interview Andrew. JT never gives too much away. But I think there are things you can deduce if you listen carefully. He somewhat gave away Windsor was at least a little needs related, and watching how slow we’ve been between the arcs the last 2 years it’s not a surprise. Why do I get the feeling they wanted Windsor at 11 but he kept rising? When JT does he due diligence on a player the word probably gets around and other sides start circling. I get the sense he’s excited by Tholstrup’s potential in a range of roles but also they really like the character and early indications are so do I! He was probably a little more excited for Kynan Brown than I expected. Aside from the 2 early picks I get the sense Jed Adams might be a favourite of JTs. Hope he gets through preseason healthy.

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/1471643/aflw-best-and-fairest-the-contenders It's always interesting to see the club's perspective, with the insider knowledge of individual player's roles and KPIs. Who would we like to see take home the award? Hore would be a frontrunner to go back to back, alongside Demonland vote-winner Hanks. B.Mackin as a bit of a smokey?

I totally understand where you are coming from on this but considering the financial history of the MFC over the last 50 years any money raised would have disappeared on deficits and debt.

Definitely the former. There are plenty of inert blobs when the former players catch up though.

No…You both to a sensational job for us all.But, WCW- wow your brought sunshine into my life today with your reports , especially with Clarry, you were best on ground and sincere thanks .Pickett Fence your a ripper and thank you also.Very much appreciate your imput.

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I've found over the years that in some ways economics is eerily similar to certain earth sciences and their management - the issue is not so much about 'more vs less' as about 'best place and time'. If the cold is in the fridge and the heat is in the oven, all is well. Actually, probably the main thing the two areas have in common is the sheer prevalence of analogies.

You do realise all those red brick primary schools built in the 19th and 20th centuries we all attended were built with (gulp) debt? The point being all the generations that benefit from such assets bear a share of the cost. There's probably, somewhere deep in the government's books, a smidgeon of the cost of the school I attended back in the 1960s. That's how public debt works. No need to freak out.

And Kate was also awarded Best Captain by the Players Association and 4th in the AFLPA MVP. Heath finished 5th in the Most Courageous, while A.Mackin came 5th for the Best First Year Player.

we won a flag with jackson, pickett and rivers in the team as 2nd year players (and all under 20) + Jordon, sparrow as 3rd year and spargo and petty in their 4th years.

Choco is certainly keeping a close eye on proceeding’s.

He's always been my number 1 preference for our next captain by a long way. Glad others are starting to realise what an incredibly influential leader he is.

Have to say this is my thinking as well. We’ll be back for more finals footy, the list and gameplan is there. However there are more loose ends coming into next year than the previous two. Petty’s injury is a concern for me as well, Lisfranc injuries are always wait and see so a big question mark there considering he’s probably moved into the top 6 or so most important players. The ruck depth is definitely another, as much as Max wants to be a majority ruckman we will need that reliever ruck as well. There isn’t enough data on Fullerton and weather he can do that job or even as a pinch hitting forward. I love the look of Varrell but this needs to be another development year rather than pinning our hopes on him. I’m stoked that we chose Windsor as it addressed a need but again you can’t bank on first year players to come straight in and perform roles to elite levels, same with Tholstrup. Apart from above, the ‘what if’ list continues: Is Salem’s health under control and can he get back to that 2021 form? Can either Bowey or Rivers move into the middle and make a real difference week to week? Will T-Mac and BBB be able to contribute or are they just VFL mentors now? Can we trust the midfield depth we have yet? Time will tell, a ripper pre season with barely any injuries may alter my thinking but that’s where I stand. If it’s a step back to go forward I’m ok with it as well.

We won't miss the 8, but I don't think we make top 4 in my honest opinion. There is still concerns with our forward line which obviously got shown out during the finals series. There is also some concerns around Pettys injury. Speaking to a player this off season who I bumped into up here and he stated that the injury in itself was pretty significant and the club will take all precautionary measures. Reckons he might not be back in full training around mid to late February.. but that was purely his own opinion. I also have concerns around our midfield and ruck depth. Last year we did have Harmes, Grundy, Jordon ready to step in immediately when needed, but this year our depth is very thin with young players like Woewodin who are still unknown at senior level. We've been very lucky that the likes of Petracca, Viney and Brayshaw have been playing consistently each week for the past 2 years, but they're also getting older as well so the hits and knocks will probably get to them at some stage next year. The way I see it is that next year will be a year where we'll take a step back purely because I think we'll focus on getting some games into kids such as Howes, Turner, Adams, Woewodin, Laurie, Windsor, Tholstrup, AMW and even Will Varrell with the hope that we can then catapult again with a rejuvenated list for the next few years. I would be okay with this if it means it gives us the opportunity to extend our premiership window for the next few years.

And achieve what exactly? Harmes - McAdam. I'm more than happy with that. We've had nothing for Harmes to do for 2 years and have been crying out for a guy like McAdam to provide a mix of what Fritsch and Kossie do. JJ - Billings. JJ might go on to be a player for the Swans but he was a free agent, we replaced him with a player who could be an immediate upgrade in a needs position. Grundy - Fullarton. Personally I'd have liked to get in on the Brandon Ryan deal but Fullarton has a fair bit of upside and I'd rather have him than an unhappy and expensive Grundy. 33 was worthless in this draft. Would've ended up pick 40 on the night of the draft. We ended up with a spare pick 42 (44 come draft night) which we dealt for a future 3rd. 25 became 34 on draft night. Ended up at Carlton for Billy Wilson. 18, 34 and a pick we'd never use for 13 to get Tholstrup. Doesn't look so bad when Essendon and GWS gave up 2nd rounders to move 1 spot on draft night. We've replenished our depth with better fits and drafted 2 talented kids. It's not flashy but the flashy moves often don't work out. Plus surely we're reloading with list spots and salary cap to be more aggressive next year.

My early top 10 for next year 1. Finn O'Sullivan - 181cm Vic Country 2. Levi Ashcroft - 179cm Vic Metro (Lions F/S) 3. Sid Draper - 180cm South Australia 4. Josh Smillie - 194cm Vic Metro 5. Leonardo Lombard - 178cm Allies (Suns Academy) 6. Tyler Welsh - 191 cm South Australia (Crows F/S) 7. Jagga Smith - 181cm Vic Metro 8. Christian Moraes - 182cm Vic Metro 9. Tom Gross - 182cm Vic Metro 10. Ben Camporeale - 184cm South Australia (Carlton F/S) This suggests that we should be looking forward to more bidding for academy and father/sons but not to the scale extent that we saw in last week’s draft.