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The GWS Giants have informed Geelong that they will match the free agency offer for Jeremy Cameron.

If TMac remains "on the table" much longer rigor mortis is going to set in.

It's almost like Frost's year has been elevated because he wasn't horrible and in fact had good games where he defended well. He was no better than he's been at Melbourne. Hawthorn got what they paid for, i.e. the good the bad and the ugly. Kent was Kent. He was a fringe player at Melbourne and he's a fringe player at St Kilda.

Absolute nonsense.

A person with far less tact and class than myself would observe that "Dr. Evil" is a very close anagram of "drivel".

Thanks Tom. Browne. You’re always on. The money.

Demons players traded out in the last 5 years... - Jeremy Howe - Jimmy Toumpass - Jack Fitzpatrick - Lynden Dunn - Jack Watts - Dean Kent - Jesse Hogan - Dom Tyson - Sam Frost Really hard to argue that it's "so Melbourne" to trade out a player and then they become a star as literally only 1 player out of 9 have carried on and played decent consistent footy at their next clubs. Most of these players we got maximum value from both on the field and then in trade.

Ethan, this post suggests you are either just coming off drugs and booze or just starting back on drugs and booze.

Looks like Jaidyn Stephenson is about as popular as me on here.

No matter what happens with GWS matching i guarantee you there is ZERO chance Geelong would back down from their commitment to Cameron.

Not to mention that with a Brown in the side to take the first defender, Weideman will have a lot more freedom (his best this year was before Jackson went down injured and they were working in tandem).

He's had an interview with the club, fair to say it did not go well and he won't be a Demon anytime soon.

I think you all need to back off a bit on Omac, ok he didn’t end up as we were all hoping, but a lot of you keyboard warriors who have probably never played a competitive game of football in your lives . Pretty average

Jeremy Cameron will get to the cats. The giants in my opinion have weighed the situation up and decided two later first rounders is a better net return than the compo pick. It’ll get done Ben brown will 100% be a demon. 100% there is absolutely no doubt. to be clear. Because clearly not everyone gets it.. I AM JOKING

Arrogant? Pretty rough I reckon mate. Pretty sure 99% of posters could recognise I was having a bit of a laugh. I was confident in my info but things clearly changed but I certainly don’t think I was arrogant. Outside of a few posters I think most worked out I wasn’t taking things too seriously pretty quickly.

Can we have a pinned thread ? WERRIDEE'S Rolling Best 22

I'm happy with Giants matching. It may cause a few delays but not only does it mean Geelong don't get a freebie, but it will bleed them of at least one and possibly two of their first round picks. Giants don't want to draft 7-8 kids in one hit so will try and pry a young talent like Parfitt out of the cats. If that fails, which I think it will, it will mean they have plenty of 1st and 2nd round picks and could be open to swapping one for a package deal we can offer. There have been a few permutations thrown around here, but a future 2nd, Preuss and Avb - or whatever is the latest mail is - could get us back into the first round.

To workout this, divide the numerator by the denominator, sum this value to the integer part then multiply the result by 100%, so: 90/10 in percent = 90 divided by 10 x 100% = 9 X 100% = 900%

My view appears to be Philips is better 2 way runner, Polec is the faster player, Polec the better kick, Phillips the better bloke.

I've actually heard its Collingwood that is showing the most interest. Its Jeremy Howe who's been a big advocate to bucks in regards to his ability to play back that could switch Darcy Moore up forward.

We need to take it on now. Like those old cats, we need to grab our chance. Trac,Clarry,Maxy,May,Langers & JV can get it done. Get a few gaps fixed and a coach with some balls to bring it home. We’re not waiting around and seeing everyone else improve their list. If your not getting better, you’ve already gone backwards.

Ok then. And I'm glad you aren't our list manager

Don't know exact details, but heard Mahoney thought it was one of the worst interviews he's had, oh and Stephenson was late to the meeting as well.

89 games with 44 goals. Averages 22 disposals a game and 2.5 tackles. Had a fairly ordinary season this year by his standards in this disrupted and truncated season. I’d jump all over him. He would be a great get and only 24 years is yet to hit his prime.

You just can’t pay some 700k who’s clearly outside the best 22. Far better off paying 200k for him to play elsewhere are putting those dollars to work. Extensions, front loading, saving for big names, even just making sure you get a delisted player or mature ager who has competition for their signature. There’s so many ways to use the money. If a team will give us a useable draft pick and take on a fair share of the cash it’s not even a debate.

If memory serves correctly, Cameron gave Tom Boyd a parting swipe on Twitter for leaving the Giants. Not unhappy to see this turn a little bit bumpy for him.

Agreed. If talent is going to keep bleeding out of feeder clubs then the Geelongs of this world need to pay with their own blood.

Well played GWS.

Frost-esque? Frosty was becoming ice-cool, thoughtful and capable. Just what on-ground experience can bring. We sacrificed this advantage to our onfield successes to play the 'Oh-Must We' half of the TMac siblings. I'd still have him (Frost) at CHB for us, even though it is regarded as abstract by many, and is impossible, now that he has been traded to critical and needy observers and analyses at Whoreform where, in his first sojourn season in the new jumper was regarded as a member of their top ten players.

Or like a 50/50 decision, this is a 90/10 decision. A clumsy description but does make sense.

The weed still kicked more goals than Brody mihocek did in the Home and away season. He was the number 1 pea in the forwardline, will now take the second best defender with brown taking the spotlight off him.

It's done. Dee's just working out how to structure salary which will depend on Tmac and other ins/outs

I actually disagree. I really feel like his stats in debut year, and again in the back half of this year, demonstrated his ability to provide AFL standard "connection" and "score generation". As a third year player, he has shown enough for further development. In his limited 3 years with us we had a terrible 2nd year with substantial injuries leaving him exposed and unsupported as a junior player, and his 3rd year was covid interupted with no seconds comp for form development. Kids need devlopment. Kids with smarts, deserve a chance to development. 2 years is not unreasonable. I'd actually say that flashy speed without smarts (Hunt) or athletic endurance without skills (ANB) are less reasons to give extensions.

Moving into last years draft and getting Kozzie was a stroke of genius. Yes the picks are moving back and its heavily compromised, but the big one is that this years draft crop didn't play at all this season Lost their most important development year. Its a terrible year to have picks. And to top it off we got 15 games of AFL into Pickett.

Unless I am being told a porky, someone very close to Ben Brown has confirmed he's 100% to Dees. Bombers have offered him big big money, yet he's happy to take less to come to the Dees. Eat a ? bombers ? Also apparently he played with a floating bone in his knee most of the year which would've been a big part of his performance drop this year. Since his surgery recently, he is ready to roll. Very exciting - sounds like he should return to strong form* *as long as the Dees learn to kick inside 50 and don't bomb it over his head...

CHANGES 2020 by The Oracle Part One: A very strange year Things might have been somewhat hairy when the 1919 football season opened up in the wake of the ending of a world war and in the middle of a pandemic that took millions of lives but it’s difficult to imagine a more unusual football season than the one that ended a week or so ago. For starters, the footy is supposed to finish on that one day in September on the MCG in mild spring weather; not deep into October at the Gabba amid warnings of tropical storms and heavy rain. I suppose therefore, it’s only fitting that the Covid19 affected season which oddly enough, produced the same final result as last year will be followed by an even more wierd player exchange and recruiting period. There’s confusion aplenty because club recruiters haven’t been apprised about the size of their team lists going forward into 2021. How then are they supposed to manage such delicate issues as their club’s total player payments? Then there’s the issue of the uncertainty of the forthcoming national draft with a large number of projected academy and father/son selections pushing draft selections around and the question of how do you assess a crop of up and coming young talent of who more than half haven’t played a game for twelve months? None of this prevented the immediate deluge of activity yesterday as the 2020 AFL trade period officially got underway with the opening of the free agency period. The first player to change places was Adelaide’s Rory Atkins who moved to the Gold Coast Suns. By the end of the day, the following key moves had been done:- 1. Rory Atkins accepts a four-year deal, with a trigger for a fifth from Gold Coast as an unrestricted free agent. The Crows received a second-round compensation pick, No.39 at time of deal. 2. Isaac Smith accepts a two-year deal from Geelong as a restricted free agent. Hawthorn doesn't match the offer and will receive a third-round compensation pick, No.45 at time of deal. 3. Zac Williams accepts a six-year deal from Carlton. GWS doesn't match the offer and will receive a first-round compensation pick, No.10 at time of deal. 4. Aidan Corr accepts a five-year deal from North Melbourne. GWS doesn't match and will receive a second-round compensation pick, No.30 at time of deal. 5. Joe Daniher accepts a three-year deal from Brisbane as a restricted free agent. Essendon doesn't match the offer and will receive a first-round compensation pick, No.7 at time of deal. 6. Geelong lodges paperwork for GWS restricted free agent Jeremy Cameron. Giants have three days to decide whether to match the offer. In addition, the day produced plenty of scuttlebutt around possible player movement and there will no doubt be many more changing places over the coming fortnight, especially once the formal trade period begins on Wednesday. From a Melbourne perspective, the club’s plans to recruit Isaac Smith on a three year deal were nipped in the bud when he accepted Geelong’s offer. Given the risk involved in taking a player of his age for a three year term, his decision to go elsewhere wasn’t a matter that raised great concern from the Demons’ supporter base. Looking forward to the coming week or so, the club’s main target seems to be tall forward Ben Brown from North Melbourne and then perhaps a skillful outside player as a bookend on the wing opposite Ed Langdon and/or a solid half back flanker would be a nice addition to the list. There are also players to be moved on to allow the freeing up of the salary cap to allow for incoming recruits. In looking at these scenarios, let’s start with the state of the list when the final siren sounded at Metricon Stadium to end the club’s season a little over a month ago:- PRIMARY LIST: — Oskar Baker Toby Bedford Angus Brayshaw Bayley Fritsch Max Gawn Mitch Hannan James Harmes Michael Hibberd Marty Hore Jayden Hunt Luke Jackson Neville Jetta Nathan Jones James Jordan Kade Kolodjiashnij Ed Langdon Jake Lever Oscar McDonald Tom McDonald Steven May Jake Melksham Alex Neal-Bullen Aaron Nietschke Clayton Oliver Christian Petracca Harrison Petty Kysaiah Kropinyeri Pickett Braydon Preuss Trent Rivers Christian Salem Charlie Spargo Joel Smith Tom Sparrow Adam Tomlinson Aaron vandenBerg Jack Viney Josh Wagner Sam Weideman ROOKIE LIST: CATEGORY A Harley Bennell Mitch Brown Kade Chandler Kyle Dunkley Jay Lockhart Corey Wagner ROOKIE LIST: CATEGORY B Austin Bradtke Without the advantage of knowing the ultimate make up of its 2021 list, the club acted conservatively in the week after Round 18 and delisted only one primary list player, Josh Wagner. He was followed by three rookies in Harley Bennell, Kyle Dunkley and Corey Wagner. Bennell’s departure after a Covid19 breach was well documented and unfortunate because a one year contact extension was on the cards. So we move forward with only slight modifications and a list that presently looks like this:- PRIMARY LIST: — Oskar Baker Toby Bedford Angus Brayshaw Bayley Fritsch Max Gawn Mitch Hannan James Harmes Michael Hibberd Marty Hore Jayden Hunt Luke Jackson Neville Jetta Nathan Jones James Jordan Kade Kolodjiashnij Ed Langdon Jake Lever Oscar McDonald Tom McDonald Steven May Jake Melksham Alex Neal-Bullen Aaron Nietschke Clayton Oliver Christian Petracca Harrison Petty Kysaiah Kropinyeri Pickett Braydon Preuss Trent Rivers Christian Salem Charlie Spargo Joel Smith Tom Sparrow Adam Tomlinson Aaron vandenBerg Jack Viney Sam Weideman ROOKIE LIST: CATEGORY A Mitch Brown Kade Chandler Jay Lockhart ROOKIE LIST: CATEGORY B Austin Bradtke Braydon Preuss has requested a trade to the GWS Giants, the McDonald brothers are being mentioned in dispatches as possible “outs” and others are possibly being shopped around. Nothing should surprise us at this time of year anyway but 2020 has been something else.

The way I see it @Dr evil MAY have been correct at a given point in time, and then Isaac Smith changed his mind. If that's what happened then perhaps then the good doctor was quasi-correct.

No logical base to that statement.

Baker got what most AFL don't have he can kick goals on both feet, even dusty can only kick on the right boot, Baker could be a very good winger, just needs to work on his endurance.

And Weideman is better 1-1 and he will be able to get that more with Brown being the focus of defences. I also think W is better up the ground but yet to be seen

I could not think of an any more Melbourne situation than paying for a player that kicks a bag of goals on you.

Not completely true @Dr evil, there are those among us who see you as 'a colourful trade-period identity'

Ummm.....wow

Much rather Marty than Smith. Marty is a real footy player Very Very happy he is back on board.Welcome return Marty!!

Perhaps I/we are getting caught up in our version of meaning and semantics. You can act individually AND still operate within a teams set of rules. We know that fairness is not sameness (ie: treating everyone exactly the same, contingent on their life context), and it takes a mature organisation to do that, whilst ensuring that the masses within the team who adhere to team rules are treated fairly () understand why said person is being treated differently (individually). God...hope that makes sense :) We could choose to contrast Dusty and his best mate for a while at Richmond (i think Dan OConnor??) who was sent packing fairly quickly, there no doubt, will be certain thresholds that need to be met whilst complying to cultural expectations. A bit of FIFO there (fit in or [censored] off) Ron's statement speaks volumes... As a 'manager' what is your threshold before you go... I can't be stuffed managing this bloke anymore and from a broader org perspective... what are the implications for everyone else, if we keep having to manage this blokes 'stuff' in the same way...and when do we cut and run. You can be an individual - because essentially everyone always is. Perhaps we are saying the same thing... Post script @Ohio USA - David - I thought I would add you in, as I respectfully disagree with the statement that there is no room for individualism. There is so much nuance in people that there needs to be room for it - as we are dealing with people... who inherently ARE individuals. It's about the thresholds of what is tolerable (from a cultural perspective). From a performance perspective, it also leverages each individuals 'strengths' to fit into your ideal team structure, whilst manipulating it slightly for person to person (which to me speaks of 'having room to incorporate individualism). I dunno.. maybe it's a simple as Do you compel people to fit your philosophy because YOU know best or Do you fit your philosophy to people, to help them be their best?

kids and their fan-dangled 'hip' sayings... I've just turned 40 and I can't decipher it!! ?

I heard a whisper that the Bombers are very keen on Tmac and that's where he's likely to land. not sure if that's been posted on here but the whisper was that he's had several chats with Rutten and they're keen on him at FB

I reckon they were the polar opposite. Tom was fine at defending but his kicking was ropey, Oscar is alright at kicking (albeit usually no more than about 15 minutes) but gets killed against an opponent.

I know many disagree, but I remain underwhelmed by Pickett. Yes, he is young and inexperienced, but he is also too small and light. The nicest thing that can be said about his 2020 averages of 7.8 disposals, 0.5 goals and 2.5 tackles is that the only way from here is up. His focus over the pre season needs to be on putting himself in the right positions more often, and getting his body behind the ball rather than reaching for it.

Just let the crowds in. These lockdowns are a complete joke.