Changes to “Holding the Ball” Rule

[daisycutter 29,595]

2 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

The front on rule is also a joke.

As is the Goodes sliding the knees. The way Goodes used to slide in was dangerous. Now we have players theatrically diving over a player on the ground to try and elicit a free (ANB is a culprit)

While we are at it the Intentional OOB, the protected area, the stand rule

The interpretations of all of these are farcical.

can add bouncing the ball.  full backs kicking out are the worst offenders ... and they also get the extra protected zone

[ANG13 2,051]

2 hours ago, Clintosaurus said:

That won't be changing. He can also run 35 metres without bouncing.

He can also still throw the ball without being penalised. 

[forever demons 2,216]

2 hours ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

What is "reasonable time" ?

Its 5 oclock somewhere so any time.Oh you mean holding the ball,sorry silly me

[old55 23,303]

Grabbing a player by the arm or wrist should be a free against, that's responsible for a lot of dangerous tackles including Andrew on Curnow.

The idea of this move is to prevent a handball disposal so it only leaves the ball player with a kick disposal option which is a dangerous situation.

Traditional tackling around the arms to pin them to the body is almost as effective and is safer as long as a sling or drive forward (which should be in the back anyway) is avoided.

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

First couple of games are going to be a hoot this weekend. 

[Timothy Reddan-A'Blew 5,022]

Now could they also make a tackle initiated before the boundary, and then held across it, free worthy? That applies to marks!

One of my pet hates, players escaping frees by dragging across the boundary.

[ManDee 7,124]

3 hours ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

What is "reasonable time" ?

It's the vibe!

How ridiculous to measure time with with reason, do we all agree on what reasonable is? No.

We can measure time, try 2 seconds. Can we agree on the length of 2 seconds?

[Sir Why You Little 36,870]

Reasnoable Time x 4 Umpires 

It will still be a mess…

[Dee Viney Intervention 1,902]

Any danger they could apply the incorrect disposal rule.

[loges 6,767]

Now watch the bleeting " where was his prior".

[Diamond_Jim 12,489]

5 hours ago, ANG13 said:

He can also still throw the ball without being penalised. 

Might sound like an anathema to many but I'd be happy to see quicker decisions on HTB if you were allowed to throw the ball.

Why is the handball sacred. We lost the place kick and the drop kick but no one screams.

The time and place to trial it was with the introduction of the AFLW.

[Sir Why You Little 36,870]

17 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Might sound like an anathema to many but I'd be happy to see quicker decisions on HTB if you were allowed to throw the ball.

Why is the handball sacred. We lost the place kick and the drop kick but no one screams.

The time and place to trial it was with the introduction of the AFLW.

It’s not Rugby….

[sue 9,096]

16 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Might sound like an anathema to many but I'd be happy to see quicker decisions on HTB if you were allowed to throw the ball.

Why is the handball sacred. We lost the place kick and the drop kick but no one screams.

The time and place to trial it was with the introduction of the AFLW.

Assuming you'd want to, how would you then outlaw Gridiron style throwing?

[Diamond_Jim 12,489]

5 minutes ago, sue said:

Assuming you'd want to, how would you then outlaw Gridiron style throwing?

If it is a concern limit the throw to 15 metres. We have that distance for bouncing the ball and minimum kick length.

 

[waynewussell 5,146]

39 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Might sound like an anathema to many but I'd be happy to see quicker decisions on HTB if you were allowed to throw the ball.

Why is the handball sacred. We lost the place kick and the drop kick but no one screams.

The time and place to trial it was with the introduction of the AFLW.

and while they are bringing in the throw, why not change our ball to a round ball, put a net behind the goal post opening, count an extra three points if a member of the team that just scored a goal is the first to dive on the ball and hold it to the turf... etc...etc

[greenwaves 489]

This is a good thing.   Nothing clears congestion like a free kick. 

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1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Might sound like an anathema to many but I'd be happy to see quicker decisions on HTB if you were allowed to throw the ball.

Why is the handball sacred. We lost the place kick and the drop kick but no one screams.

The time and place to trial it was with the introduction of the AFLW.

Why? Genuine question.  

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

A lot of people would stop following the game if they allowed throwing. 
Seriously?

[Wodjathefirst 2,632]

The other elephant in the room is the handball rule.

Years ago a handball was a handball and ‘flick passes’ were actually deemed a throw.  Bemusing how the interpretation has been allowed to change over the years. (Guessing the hand ball rule has actually not changed, but happy to be corrected). 

Nowadays there is a very fine line between what is a handball and what is a throw. I actually feel for the umpires on this one.

But I won’t let them off the hook completely.  As we all know some players  get targeted and pinged, others always seem to get the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

55 minutes ago, waynewussell said:

and while they are bringing in the throw, why not change our ball to a round ball, put a net behind the goal post opening, count an extra three points if a member of the team that just scored a goal is the first to dive on the ball and hold it to the turf... etc...etc

Ed says go deep!!!

[DubDee 25,411]

I know there are some poor umps but I have to feel sorry for the umpires. The AFL hangs them out to dry. They are amateur, have other proper jobs and then are abused every weekend trying to keep up with the media and AFL political nonsense.

Not to mention there are 36 blokes on the ground and rarely get a good look at the action from their one point of view

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10 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Well know the rule works if Cripps can no longer do 720degree turns while looking to dish off a handball

"Well know the rule works if Cripps can no longer do 720degree turns while looking to throw dish off a handball"

There. Corrected.

8 hours ago, jnrmac said:

It should be immediate. 

If you get tackled you have to immediately attempt to dispose of the ball. Simples.

If you get tackled correctly.   One of my big beefs is when guys get ridden into the ground, or have a pile of opponents dive onto them, they get pinged for HTB.   Correct tackle should be the KPI, otherwise a free to the guy who makes the play.  Every time.

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

If it is a concern limit the throw to 15 metres. We have that distance for bouncing the ball and minimum kick length.

 

.... and the umpires adjudicate that distance estimation so well, don't they?

26 minutes ago, Wodjathefirst said:

The other elephant in the room is the handball rule.

Years ago a handball was a handball and ‘flick passes’ were actually deemed a throw.  Bemusing how the interpretation has been allowed to change over the years. (Guessing the hand ball rule has actually not changed, but happy to be corrected). 

Nowadays there is a very fine line between what is a handball and what is a throw. I actually feel for the umpires on this one.

But I won’t let them off the hook completely.  As we all know some players  get targeted and pinged, others always seem to get the benefit of the doubt.

 

Clarry says "hi".  Cripps says "thanks".

[deejammin' 2,360]

3 hours ago, Dee Viney Intervention said:

Any danger they could apply the incorrect disposal rule.

Exactly. There is actually no problem with the HTB rule if they just adjudicate it consistently.
Give a player a moment to get rid of the ball, if they get tackled before that moment, basically immediately, ball it up, quickly. 
If they then dispose of it, regardless of time, if the tackle is not good enough to stop the player handballing or kicking it’s not good enough full stop. The reasonable time rule was stupid when it was introduced and led to the blight on the game of players being barely tackled or having a bloke lightly holding their jumper despite disposing of the ball in the tackle having HTB paid against them! There’ll be heaps of that this week, just lightly grab a blokes jumper, preferably so they can’t feel it and appeal to the umpire. No need to tackle in a way that actually stops them disposing of it. Stupid! 

Had prior, didn’t dispose of it, ball pinned. HTB If they drop the ball. HTB! Drag it in on the ground or dive on it. HTB. That’s it, be vigilant with incorrect disposal, maybe some slick handballs get pinged, so be it. But be generous with prior, ball ups aren’t evil, stoppages are so slick these days the play will move,

That’s the better form of the rule, you have a chance, don’t take it, tackled well, bang, done. 

We’re about to see some rubbish decisions this week on the back of a knee jerk reaction. Also, with the real rules there’s no reason not to take someone to the ground in a tackle, do it safely, roll them, HTB, that’s what Andrew should’ve done, not change the whole game so he doesn’t have to take Curnow down. Then again JVR did that perfectly and the ump robbed us of the game. Bloody AFL inconsistency. This rule change also seems to imply that more dangerous tackles will be paid simply because tacklers take the player to ground, another blight on the game.

 

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