TRAINING: Monday 26th June 2023

[Tough Kent 2,049]

I saw the session. Kev did a great job with his write up. Based on what I saw of Clayton, if he doesn’t play in 6 days time there is something sinister going on.

Jack Viney was definitely at training and in great spirits. I watched him and Jed Adams play wrestling in front of me.

[DeeZone 7,850]

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Do you mean more than other interstate trips? If so, in what way? For example, is it not a direct flight?

Hi La Dee flight was ok on way up as we flew into Uluṟu but luggage conveyer belts broke down in Alice and our flight home was via Adelaide where we switched aircraft and then we had delays with luggage back in Melbourne. Lol!!!

[Roost it far 6,239]

Sounds like we're finguck fit, which is awesome

[kev martin 9,215]

3 hours ago, kev martin said:

Addit: I can’t remember seeing Viney.

Hope I'm wrong, but!

Viney was at training today.

Tough Kent (thank you), watched some of his work.

Sorry about the confusion. 

Edited June 26, 2023 by kev martin

[DubDee 20,950]

49 minutes ago, Tough Kent said:

I saw the session. Kev did a great job with his write up. Based on what I saw of Clayton, if he doesn’t play in 6 days time there is something sinister going on.

Jack Viney was definitely at training and in great spirits. I watched him and Jed Adams play wrestling in front of me.

Clarry confirmed out

what is the something sinister???

[Robbie87 94]

AFL.com.au reporting Clarrie (not quite right) and Hibbo (kidney injury) outs against GWS.

[kev martin 9,215]

7 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Clarry confirmed out

what is the something sinister???

Clarry was running well and hard most of the session. 

He must have pulled up sore. He had a hint of a kind of limp, and felt for the area high on his thigh at the end of his run.

[Jaded No More 58,497]

Just now, kev martin said:

Clarry was running well and hard most of the session. 

He must have pulled up sore. He had a hint of a kind of limp, and felt for the area high on his thigh at the end of his run.

I’ll give him my hamstrings. They’ve barely been used. 

[monoccular 16,258]

Although Clarrie was running. maybe he has yet to regain full fitness - he would have lost more form his infection than the hamstring per se.

[kev martin 9,215]

20 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Although Clarrie was running. maybe he has yet to regain full fitness - he would have lost more form his infection than the hamstring per se.

Clarry did the sprints and laps, as well as all the drills. He is also looking fit enough. 

I am guessing, he is sore after a heavier workload.

I think he has been poorly managed. They shouldn't have let him run so soon after the injury. He possibly hasn't had to deal with complex soft tissue stuff, and said to himself, "I will push through it".

Edited June 26, 2023 by kev martin

[beelzebub 22,244]

Is it just me..   there's something about Clarry....

[dice 566]

6 hours ago, kev martin said:

Yes

What do you think happened to Clarry in the past 6 hours, Kev?

*Sorry, ignore

Edited June 26, 2023 by dice

[Deeoldfart 7,790]

Thanks for another great report Kev.  
In Richo’s injury report today, he said that Clarrie is expected to miss another 1 to 2 weeks, because of a combination of his recent scans, and him not meeting certain Club “markers” (which presumably relate to fitness).  Let’s hope it’s more about his fitness levels, and less about what the scans are saying.

[kev martin 9,215]

14 minutes ago, Deeoldfart said:

not meeting certain Club “markers” (which presumably relate to fitness).

I just didn't see that at the training. Clarry was moving as well as anybody out there, until the end when he had a little bit of a limp. (Pulling up sore)

Given his ability, I would have him play even if a bit unfit/underdone. He would find match fitness by being played, very quickly.

Though, if the scans are showing a "hot spot", then get him right

 

 

Edited June 26, 2023 by kev martin

[dazzledavey36 48,953]

Or maybe we just strip Clarry'a running and footballing program back a tad so he can actually try and regain full recovery. 

Bizarre decision to let him start running 3 days after he initially did it against Port..

[picket fence 15,345]

39 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Or maybe we just strip Clarry'a running and footballing program back a tad so he can actually try and regain full recovery. 

Bizarre decision to let him start running 3 days after he initially did it against Port..

Yep reeks of mismanagement and if so🤮

Edited June 26, 2023 by picket fence

[Roost it far 6,239]

Would the keyboard hamstring experts give it a rest.

[Demon Dynasty 15,674]

34 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Or maybe we just strip Clarry'a running and footballing program back a tad so he can actually try and regain full recovery. 

Bizarre decision to let him start running 3 days after he initially did it against Port..

Think they were hell bent to get him in for KB.

That decision might be coming back to bite everyone on the thigh.

[Engorged Onion 9,392]

5 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Would the keyboard hamstring experts give it a rest.

[Ollie fan 2,204]

5 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Think they were hell bent to get him in for KB.

That decision might be coming back to bite everyone on the thigh.

I think it is possible that the fitness professionals know more about it than we - or at least I -do.  

[IRW 1,251]

28 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Yep reeks of mismanagement and if so🤮

Jack Viney says hi

[Demon Dynasty 15,674]

16 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

I think it is possible that the fitness professionals know more about it than we - or at least I -do.  

Thanks for stating the obvious

[KLV 1,664]

3 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

I’ll give him my hamstrings. They’ve barely been used. 

Love it jaded!

[Wodjathefirst 2,367]

3 hours ago, kev martin said:

Clarry did the sprints and laps, as well as all the drills. He is also looking fit enough. 

I am guessing, he is sore after a heavier workload.

I think he has been poorly managed. They shouldn't have let him run so soon after the injury. He possibly hasn't had to deal with complex soft tissue stuff, and said to himself, "I will push through it".

I just listened to the Geelong game podcast and there was discussion about whether we were finished or near finished ‘loading’.  (The drift of the discussion was that we have had increased training loads in the past few week’s leading into the bye period)

Certainly not trying to ignite debate regarding merits or otherwise but I am simply curious as to whether people like yourself who attend training sessions regularly can / did pick up on increased training loads over the last few weeks.

I would have thought (guessed) that one would expect to see significant increases in effort or whatever it is that takes place on the training track when ‘loading’ is happening. Or is it more nuanced and hard to identify? Or do players do other sessions somewhere else?  
 

[kev martin 9,215]

26 minutes ago, Wodjathefirst said:

I would have thought (guessed) that one would expect to see significant increases in effort or whatever it is that takes place on the training track when ‘loading’ is happening. Or is it more nuanced and hard to identify? Or do players do other sessions somewhere else?  

I've really only been able to see the Monday review training sessions this year. Lately they have been doing an extra 30 minutes on a Monday, but that is due to the fact that they have had a 4 or 5 day break from the last game.

I would assume the "loading" is done in the gym, because the training session I've observed don't usually go longer, and the running sessions don't seem to be more extensive.

Trainings seem to be about processes and skills. Even during preseason, they were doing a lot more ball work, than other years. 

If they are pushing players, I'd imagine they would absolutely need individual programs, so as to optimise the work. Training is usually a group/team program.

With loading, they need closer analysis,with specific cardiovascular parameters, which is better suited to a gym.

The rehabbers have specific field programs they need to tick off. It is usually done with a one on one, trainer and trainee assistance. I assume if the entire squad is loading then there is not enough trainers to assist. Again, the only place where many can be monitored and do specific programs, is a gym.

If they are loading it would be happening out of sight, I reckon.

Edited June 26, 2023 by kev martin