POSTGAME: SF vs Brisbane

[BDA 20,623]

6 hours ago, Bozo said:

Goodwin's position is now untenable. The responsibility for that loss and others throughout the season rests firmly at his feet. You cannot blame the players or injuries or bad luck; it's appalling, arrogant coaching. An inability to react and adapt  to what's right in front of your face. No contingency just stubborn whipping the dead horse for some egotistical high.

I am prepared to put forward my share to pay Simon out. If the rest of the dissapointed members feel so inclined, it would be easy to raise the cash and it would mean not having to put up with that crap for the remainder of SG's contract.

Of highest importance is the mandatory elevation and securing of Adem Yze to Senior coach ASAP. We must not hesitate as he is likely to go elsewhere should we dawdle. This is a crucial moment in the clubs history.

A cleanout of all support coaches so that Yze might coose his own dream team.

At the very least take a poll of all the members who have paid to endure that garbage as to their preference of coach going forward.

Rage post of the year. Thanks for the chuckle

P.S you forgot to mention it but I'm sure you want to burn down the G as well

[kev martin 9,323]

Can't believe the crowd boo'd Petty and a Brissy player ridiculed a male crying.

[Queanbeyan Demon 6,116]

3 hours ago, Boots and all said:

...I don't understand why we recruited him then. If his forward craft is unsuited to our style, then why didn't we seek a player with the right attributes? Maybe with TMc in the side his role changes.

Um . . . . because BBB helped us win our first premiership in 57 years. Quite frankly, I don't give a FF if BBB never gets another kick. He stood up in a grand final and we won a flag. He'll always be a Demon premiership player and forever a legend of the club.

[Queanbeyan Demon 6,116]

7 hours ago, Bozo said:

Goodwin's position is now untenable. The responsibility for that loss and others throughout the season rests firmly at his feet. You cannot blame the players or injuries or bad luck; it's appalling, arrogant coaching. An inability to react and adapt  to what's right in front of your face. No contingency just stubborn whipping the dead horse for some egotistical high.

I am prepared to put forward my share to pay Simon out. If the rest of the dissapointed members feel so inclined, it would be easy to raise the cash and it would mean not having to put up with that crap for the remainder of SG's contract.

Of highest importance is the mandatory elevation and securing of Adem Yze to Senior coach ASAP. We must not hesitate as he is likely to go elsewhere should we dawdle. This is a crucial moment in the clubs history.

A cleanout of all support coaches so that Yze might coose his own dream team.

At the very least take a poll of all the members who have paid to endure that garbage as to their preference of coach going forward.

You really don't know anything about life Bozo, let alone footy.  

[Edward Langdon 91]

13 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

I still feel angry today. The only thing that will make me feel better is if freo win tonight 

Freo winning tonight will ease the pain a little.

If we have to go out in straight sets, let’s bring Collingwood down with us.

[IRW 1,270]

12 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Um . . . . because BBB helped us win our first premiership in 57 years. Quite frankly, I don't give a FF if BBB never gets another kick. He stood up in a grand final and we won a flag. He'll always be a Demon premiership player and forever a legend of the club.

To say nothing of the fact that earlier on here here was a running debate about whether TMac was better than Weid or not.

Short memories in the silly corner.

BBB may well be finished but..

"What you said.." and wasn't he 2nd of the Bang Bang Bang...BBB!"

[Edward Langdon 91]

3 minutes ago, IRW said:

To say nothing of the fact that earlier on here here was a running debate about whether TMac was better than Weid or not.

Short memories in the silly corner.

BBB may well be finished but..

"What you said.." and wasn't he 2nd of the Bang Bang Bang...BBB!"

The fact that BBB has a confirmed degenerate knee, and we have JVR, T Mac and possibly Petty as legit forward options, may well the spend for him.

[OhMyDees 1,342]

People forget how crucial BBB was in the 2nd quarter of the Grand Final - the only goal kicker when the tide was turning. 

I think people are happy to jump all over him because he’s relatively new as a Demon. He’s had to battle a knee injury the entire time he’s been with us and been played as a single key forward against the best defenders every week. Will defend BBB any and every day.

[Tom Dyson 1,532]

36 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

What really irks me is that with 2 minutes left, we played more attacking than we had done all year. With the game gone, that’s when Goody finally makes a change……………too little too late. At half time we could all see that our tall target up forward was failing dismally.

The coaching group needs to relinquish this stubborn vice-like grip on trying to defend, and adopt a more attacking game style. We were boring for this entire finals series. New tactics are needed, as we have the offensive weapons, we’re just trying to suffocate it out of our game.

Almost entirely agree with this post, well written. 

Not sure if you would agree but I thought our first quarter last night demonstrated some really daring ball movement, players had no hesitation to bite off the inside 45 into the corridor and we had pace on the ball coming out of d50. 

Steven even sent a kick in up the guts which also led to another inside 50 (and probably a behind). 

But we went into our shells from this point forward, long down the line, and long into the forward pocket. 

A directive from the coaches? a mental thing within the playing group? lack of confidence? I've got no idea why but if we had maintained that throughout the game (among other considerations), could have gone differently. 

[KysaiahMessiah 725]

About to watch Melbourne play in a final.  Storm that is.  Unfortunately their season has progressed like ours, falling away at the end.  Hope they step up.  Still amuses me it’s called “footy” even though I like it as a spectacle.  Footy?

[Boots and all 910]

18 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Um . . . . because BBB helped us win our first premiership in 57 years. Quite frankly, I don't give a FF if BBB never gets another kick. He stood up in a grand final and we won a flag. He'll always be a Demon premiership player and forever a legend of the club.

Yeah great. My issue isn't with BBB, it's having a method of forward entries that doesn't allow our key forward to play to his strengths. I hope he gets plenty more kicks and we allow him to play to his potential, otherwise nothing will have changed.

[Queanbeyan Demon 6,116]

11 hours ago, mo64 said:

I have a theory, and I don't think that fitness levels has anything to do with it. 

Our game plan revolves around winning contests and locking the ball into our forward 50. It requires an enormous amount of effort on the part of the mids and the forwards. With the talent we have, we build up a sizeable lead and yet invariably concede late goals before half time. The scoreboard at half time rarely reflects our dominance.

At half time Goody addresses the players and tells them that we have the game on our terms. The opposition coaches of better sides will tell their players that it's impossible for Melbourne to continue at that intensity, and a 3-4 goal deficit is not insurmountable.

Once the opposition get within a goal or two in the second half, it's almost game over. But I think it's more psychological than physical. 

I honestly believe that our players are not fully invested in our negative game plan, because they are not getting scoreboard reward for effort. Once that opposition have neutralised the game around the contests and the scoreboard, it all becomes too hard for our players to go again.

The players have an ego/arrogance after winning last years flag. But they're coached to defend rather than show their talents. I think the players have lost the motivation to grind a game for 120 minutes on the back of the 2021 flag.

Coaches like Paul Roos and Ross Lyon have limited shelf life at one club. Their game plans are too mentally gruelling on the players. If Goodwin wants a long tenure at the Dees, he needs to look at John Longmire, who's evolved from a negative coach to a positive coach. He's weeded out the "try hards" from the team, and replaced them with skilful players who also give effort. 

And after listening to all of the Burgess/Brukner podcasts in that last off-season, Burgo's role in the mental side of the game cannot be understated.

John Longmire: 1 premiership, 50% win/loss finals record.

Simon Goodwin: 1 Premiership, 71% win/loss finals record.

Simon:

• walked into a rabble,
• doesn't have the NSW academy at his disposal,
• doesn't have a home base,
• isn't coaching a club that has AFL's tacit approval to cheat,
• doesn't have a 3 million person market all to himself underwritten by the AFL.

He's going alright just at the minute I would have thought.

Edited September 10, 2022 by Queanbeyan Demon
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[Jaded No More 59,109]

30 minutes ago, kev martin said:

Can't believe the crowd boo'd Petty and a Brissy player ridiculed a male crying.

Why? Brisbane’s team is filled with brain dead morons. Their captain is a scumbag who doesn’t even have enough respect for his wife to keep his tiny manhood in his pants, let alone enough brains to respect his opponent. 

[Trac-man 12]

Goodwin has got to stop playing favourites.. Spargo/Sparrow/ANB are not AFL standard also Viney has got to know his limitations..

[John Demonic 4,876]

13 minutes ago, OhMyDees said:

People forget how crucial BBB was in the 2nd quarter of the Grand Final - the only goal kicker when the tide was turning. 

I think people are happy to jump all over him because he’s relatively new as a Demon. He’s had to battle a knee injury the entire time he’s been with us and been played as a single key forward against the best defenders every week. Will defend BBB any and every day.

First goal of the 4th quarter too from a contested mark with 2 dogs flying at him. 89-59 looks a lot different than 83-65, if it goes down the other end from a spoil.

And we didn't even discuss that mark and goal in the 3rd lol.

Edited September 10, 2022 by John Demonic

[Boots and all 910]

2 hours ago, Deecisive said:

we recruited him because he can kick goals, but we are telling him to kick goals with our crappy strategy of kicking to the pocket where he is surrounded by packs of players. He contest, his marking around the ground has been good. we should be delivering the ball to him on a lead not to a pack'

Yep, exactly...so the method of entry and general forward strategy needs to change. We're not playing to his [censored] strengths or the small classy forwards that could benefit from more space in the forward line.

Edited September 10, 2022 by Boots and all

[KysaiahMessiah 725]

Berry 1 match for eye contact on Oliver 

[Demonsone 1,666]

Since 10-0 we have lost 7 games inc 2 x Finals after leading at 1/2 time and have faded out in the second half badly, either  Burgess leaving & Griffiths who worked under him threw out  his programme or the players just decided can climb the mountain again. Goodwin faith in his players and not making any changes after the swans loss and taking in injured players clearer backfired and seeing some of the talent in Casey highlighted we need some fresh injury free  players to change it up e.g.  Chandler, Dustan, Bedford, Van Rooyen , whilst couldn't play all of them but at least 2 changes were needed & some new spark in the Fwd line.

The missed opportunities going forward and missed kicks to nothing or to a contest having free players available was a joke & summed up our finals!

Lets hope this group don't fizzle away and just hang around finals 

Edited September 10, 2022 by Demonsone

[layzie 29,758]

1 hour ago, dees189227 said:

I still feel angry today. The only thing that will make me feel better is if freo win tonight 

Don't hold your breath and try to enjoy your Saturday night. Seriously I'm trying so hard not to watch tonight barracking hard for Freo only to be disappointed.

[WalkingCivilWar 33,315]

11 hours ago, Engorged Onion said:

🤷‍♀️

Those folk are probably not as invested about writing vitriol about players and coaches as some others are, nor the need to respond to try to convince those that ARE writing vitriol to think differently perhaps??

From my vantage point, the disappointment in this thread is understandable, the entitlement and subsequent repercussions required is absolutely astounding though.

🙏💕

[Demon Dynasty 15,960]

So just putting this out there. 

Is it worth trying to blood the Weid as a backman to replace Petty.  Is he capable?  Has he played much down there at Casey and if so how has he gone peoples?

I did see him play one very good match across HB vs Box Hill a few years back and he was impressive that day.  But one day doesn't make a summer & it was only VFL.

But let's just say we can do a McCartney with Weid... IF....could we then send Petty forward?  Imagine a Petty and Macca forward line with JVR starting to pop in on occasions for brief cameos, or maybe more than a few cameos, in 2023.  BB a back up to Petty, Macca & JVR if they go out due to injury and JVR is NQR for whatever reason in his debut season.

Edited September 10, 2022 by Demon Dynasty

[Swooper1987 2,801]

Since 2011 when Geelong won the flag, the record of reigning premiers is as follows:

2012 - Geelong loses elimination final after finishing 6th in H&A

2013 - Sydney loses prelim after finishing 4th in H&A

2014 - Hawthorn wins flag

2015 - Hawthorn wins flag

2016 - Hawthorn loses semi final after finishing 3rd in H&A (straight sets)

2017 - Western Bulldogs finish 10th - 11 wins

2018 - Richmond loses prelim after finishing 1st in H&A.

2019 - West Coast loses semi final after finishing 5th in H&A

2020 - Richmond wins flag

2021 - Richmond finishes 12th - 9.5 wins

2022 - Melbourne loses semi after finishing 2nd H&A

Nobody has come runner up the year after winning a flag in this period; two sides have made a prelim and lost; three have bowed out at the semi final stage; one in the first week and two didn't qualify to defend. 

Our performance was about the "average" for a defending premier over this period.  A very hard draw, untimely injuries to important players and perhaps a lack of imagination (or too much faith) from the coaches box all contributed to the seasons result, and should provide some confidence that we will be in the frame again next year.

[Edward Langdon 91]

I thought Langdon played well.

The culmination of a fantastic season by the young lad.

[Willmoy1947 3,814]

11 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

So just putting this out there. 

Is it worth trying to blood the Weid as a backman to replace Petty.  Is he capable?  Has he played much down there at Casey and if so how has he gone peoples?

I did see him play one very good match across HB vs Box Hill a few years back and he was impressive that day.  But one day doesn't make a summer & it was only VFL.

But let's just say we can do a McCartney with Weid... IF....could we then send Petty forward?  Imagine a Petty and Macca forward line with JVR starting to pop in on occasions for brief cameos, or maybe more than a few cameos, in 2023.  BB a back up to Petty, Macca & JVR if they go out due to injury and JVR is NQR for whatever reason in his debut season.

Couldn't help but be impressed by Weideman today

[Edward Langdon 91]

9 minutes ago, Swooper1987 said:

Since 2011 when Geelong won the flag, the record of reigning premiers is as follows:

2012 - Geelong loses elimination final after finishing 6th in H&A

2013 - Sydney loses prelim after finishing 4th in H&A

2014 - Hawthorn wins flag

2015 - Hawthorn wins flag

2016 - Hawthorn loses semi final after finishing 3rd in H&A (straight sets)

2017 - Western Bulldogs finish 10th - 11 wins

2018 - Richmond loses prelim after finishing 1st in H&A.

2019 - West Coast loses semi final after finishing 5th in H&A

2020 - Richmond wins flag

2021 - Richmond finishes 12th - 9.5 wins

2022 - Melbourne loses semi after finishing 2nd H&A

Nobody has come runner up the year after winning a flag in this period; two sides have made a prelim and lost; three have bowed out at the semi final stage; one in the first week and two didn't qualify to defend. 

Our performance was about the "average" for a defending premier over this period.  A very hard draw, untimely injuries to important players and perhaps a lack of imagination (or too much faith) from the coaches box all contributed to the seasons result, and should provide some confidence that we will be in the frame again next year.

Excellent, rationale post..

Out of that list i’d be mortified if we turn into the next West Coast who have fallen off the rails.

 There’s a lot of work to be done for us to forge ahead but I’m confident we have most of the pieces in place.

The fitness is the most pressing issue IMO. You can’t argue that there isn’t a correlation between fitness issues and poor 4th quarters.