Trade and Free Agency rumours

[Ethan Tremblay 28,423]

Just read someone suggest bringing in Schache. I’m tapping out, threads cooked.

[layzie 28,797]

Talk about running on onion fumes

[Demondan75 179]

2 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Just read someone suggest bringing in Schache. I’m tapping out, threads cooked.

If you're out then so am I. Trade pages without input from Ethan '#newsbreaker' Tremblay just doesn't make any sense.

[Kent 2,582]

15 hours ago, 1964_2 said:

If Watts was recruited as an 18 years old in the current era, he would have most likely turned into a star of the comp IMO. 

 

It was always up to Jack whether he was going to be a star. 

I don't believe he wanted it enough but that's just my opinion

[Kent 2,582]

5 hours ago, Demondan75 said:

If you're out then so am I. Trade pages without input from Ethan '#newsbreaker' Tremblay just doesn't make any sense.

ET ? Is he away?

 

[Demons11 6,404]

8 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Just read someone suggest bringing in Schache. I’m tapping out, threads cooked.

🤣🤣🤣

[layzie 28,797]

16 hours ago, 1964_2 said:

If Watts was recruited as an 18 years old in the current era, he would have most likely turned into a star of the comp IMO. 

 

Providing he had a healthy mindset for sure. No doubt though he would have stood a much better chance regardless. 

[Sydee 3,618]

1 hour ago, Kent said:

ET ? Is he away?

 

ET gone home 

[Stiff Arm 4,412]

I knew a recruiter from another AFL club who described Schache as the least competitive man of his size ever on an AFL list.

On another note, I see Hunter Clarke is a possibility to move clubs

[Deetention 86]

With or without Jackson/Grundy the Dees should be looking at the likes of Meek, Frampton, McLean, Amartey and Elliot Himmelberg. 

[Kent 2,582]

34 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

I knew a recruiter from another AFL club who described Schache as the least competitive man of his size ever on an AFL list.

On another note, I see Hunter Clarke is a possibility to move clubs

This guy never saw Doyle play or Weid for that matter

[Kent 2,582]

27 minutes ago, Deetention said:

With or without Jackson/Grundy the Dees should be looking at the likes of Meek, Frampton, McLean, Amartey and Elliot Himmelberg. 

Dont mind Amartey for second ruck

[old55 21,352]

On 9/7/2022 at 8:17 AM, Lucifers Hero said:

Very soon we will have an age profile and quality gap in our list of 18-22 year olds which will become a gap in the 23-26 age group and so on.  We have players in that age group but not many have found a way to break into the team and only a couple have prospects of doing so in the next year or two.  So quantity is ok but quality is a ?

This is happening while we have list deficiencies in critical positions.

In 2-3 years quite a few of our stars will be approaching or over 30.  Many players go on to play well after 30 but how do we replace the quality of so many before their contribution starts to wane? 

Because we are successful and tend to trade out our future first pick we are unlikely to have access to the top dozen or so players in each draft.  And we are unlikely to trade out our best players as they are on long-term deals.  Our list will age rapidly.

To some this may not matter as 'we are in the premiership window' with a star midfield, defence etc. however if we don't start getting access to the pointy end of the draft I'm not sure we can sustain finals participation/be in contention for flags in the latter part of this decade.

As much as Taylor is a star he needs picks to work with to keep our list age/quality profile balanced and I'm not sure where pointy end draft picks are coming from in the next 3-4 years.

I much more optimistic about our the young component of our list. 

It's hopefully true that we won't have access to early draft picks for the foreseeable future because we'll be contending and all our best players are locked in on long contracts, but we'll still have a first rounder each year and Jason Taylor has a proven track record with later picks.

Assuming absolute worst case scenario that Luke Jackson goes to Freo and we convert him into Brodie Grundy and a replacement for our missing 1st rounder this year, our 18-22yo list is looking solid.

Future AAs (2): Pickett, Petty.
Proven premiership players (5): Spargo, Bowey, Jordon, Rivers, Sparrow
Likely AFL-level (6): Bedford, Laurie, JVR, Howes, Chandler, Turner
Development (5): Rosman, D.Smith, Woewodin, McVee, AMW

I'm assuming Baker will be delisted and it's probable that Bedford or Chandler will leave for more opportunity this year.  Even if only half the "Likely AFL-level" and one of the "Development" players make it, we've got 11 players or half a team in that list.

We should also be able to free very significant salary cap and be heavily involved in the FA market.  As has been posted elsewhere, we need to continuously turn the list over to make sure that the young players are getting AFL opportunities and stay the journey with us.

From @Lucifers Hero excellent contacts thread, we have the following players coming out of contract over the next 3 years and I think we can probably move all of them for cap and list space.  Maybe recontract some on short-term deals and bring forward the trade of others.  That's 11 off the list with a hell of a lot of cap money freed up.

2022: Hibberd, Melksham, Hunt
2023: Dunstan, ANB, Weideman, Tomlinson
2024: B.Brown, Harmes, McDonald, J.Smith

I think there's every reason to expect that Max and Steven May can play into the 2025 season, Max is already contracted and I expect May to get a solid contract extension next year.

Our 2025 22, taking those changes into account and not adding any new draftees or FAs, looks very competitive:

B: Rivers May Lever
HB: Salem Petty Brayshaw
M: Langdon Oliver Jordon
R: Grundy Petracca Viney
HF: Spargo JVR Bedford/Chandler
F: Pickett Gawn Fritsch
I: Bowey Sparrow Howes Laurie

In 2026 we've still got Turner in the hopper as a potential replacement for May and we've got 4 draft, trade and FA years to find a ruck/forward replacement for Max.

Edited September 8, 2022 by old55

[Stiff Arm 4,412]

5 hours ago, Kent said:

This guy never saw Doyle play or Weid for that matter

I reckon Weid is more competitive than Schache, but has less natural talent and gets outbodied way too easily 

[Sir Why You Little 34,516]

Just stop talking about Josh Schache as a potential recruit 

STOP…

[layzie 28,797]

9 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

I reckon Weid is more competitive than Schache, but has less natural talent and gets outbodied way too easily 

I agree in the sense that Weideman is like clay and Schache is like jelly. 

[Nascent 7,286]

Hopper has officially nominated the tigers as his club of choice with a year left to run on his contract. Will be interesting to see how the Tigers go about acquiring both him and Taranto.

 

Giant plus for Tigers as mid chooses Punt Rd as new home - https://www.afl.com.au/news/838679

 

[DistrACTION Jackson 6,420]

4 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Hopper has officially nominated the tigers as his club of choice with a year left to run on his contract. Will be interesting to see how the Tigers go about acquiring both him and Taranto.

 

Giant plus for Tigers as mid chooses Punt Rd as new home - https://www.afl.com.au/news/838679

 

I just don't understand why we wouldn't throw our hat in the ring for Taranto instead of Grundy and pick up a cheap ruck/forward option.

Can never have enough gun mids and I rate Taranto higher than Hopper.

Edited September 8, 2022 by Action Jackson

[ChaserJ 3,964]

2 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Hopper has officially nominated the tigers as his club of choice with a year left to run on his contract. Will be interesting to see how the Tigers go about acquiring both him and Taranto.

 

Giant plus for Tigers as mid chooses Punt Rd as new home - https://www.afl.com.au/news/838679

 

Richmond are creating a nice cluster of players in Bolton’s age group. Chips have been moved from Dusty/Cotchin/Riewoldt as the centrepiece of the list.

[whatwhat say what 18,992]

if - and it's a fairly sizeable if, i would have thought - the tigs can bring in taranto and hopper then they'll have rebuilt their midfield overnight

they're going to be giving up access to first and second round for 2022 and 2023 in order to do so, i would expect

[Jaded No More 57,981]

22 hours ago, Deeoldfart said:

Either that, or he wouldn’t have lasted nearly as long as he did.

Agreed.

Watts didn't have what it takes to be a true professional. He had all the talent, but I think his heart was never 100% in it. Not too dissimilar to Hogan.

Stretch lasted on our list 2 years longer than he should have because he had all the desire and was a total professional, but he didn't have the talent to make it. 

Sometimes talent and desire don't meet up and that is ok. Not everyone is Clayton Oliver. 

[adonski 9,151]

Not a massive Taranto fan but love what Richmond are doing grabbing the pair 

[Pennant St Dee 11,321]

7 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

Richmond are creating a nice cluster of players in Bolton’s age group. Chips have been moved from Dusty/Cotchin/Riewoldt as the centrepiece of the list.

Good list management, which I expect us to do from 2026 onwards to start bringing in Clarrie and Tracs replacements to compliment the handover 

[rpfc 27,476]

Richmond know that while they have Lynch they need to have a midfield to get enough ball there. Bolton is just the cherry on top that can steal you a close one.

[Nascent 7,286]

I might cop it a bit here but an article today suggested Hunter Clark may be open to a move. Been injury prone but if we back our staff to get him fit he could slot well into the back half for life post Hibberd.