1 minute ago, titan_uranus said:

Oh come on dazzle, what rubbish.

We went into this season with B Brown, Weid, Jackson, TMac and M Brown, not to mention Petty. We didn't and don't need more tall forwards. Suggesting that we should have then added an 18-year old project player to the list is ridiculous. How would an 18-year old fix the problem you're discussing here of McDonald taking the number 1 defender and Jackson the 2nd? 

List management cannot plan for worst case scenarios of the number 1 and number 2 forward getting injured in back-to-back weeks.

It's not as if TMac hasn't done it before, and indeed M Brown has played the number 2/3 forward role well too. They're wholly acceptable options as the back up we'd planned them to be, and now need to rely on.

It sucks that this is where we're at, but it is what it is. Most recent premiers have faced injury issues at some point in their season.

You've actually missed my point.

My (very ) limited knowledge of these matters tells me that the femur is about the biggest bone ( no John Holmes jokes please) on the skeleton.

I have never heard of a stress fracture in this bone. Is this unusual /rare?

Info please.

 

11 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

My (very ) limited knowledge of these matters tells me that the femur is about the biggest bone ( no John Holmes jokes please) on the skeleton.

I have never heard of a stress fracture in this bone. Is this unusual /rare?

Info please.

 

Extremely rare Bitter, only car crash victims I've heard of.

Probably it’s likely to be Tmac and Jacko as our key forwards for the start of the 2021 season.  
 

Brown and Weideman out.  Break glass options apply so Tmcd to step up for round 1.  

Due to Weideman’s unfortunate injury here here’s my best 22 and Casey’s best 22 

B: Lever, May, Hibberd

HB: Salem, Tomlinson, Rivers

C: Langdon, Petracca, Baker

HF: Melksham, McDonald, Fritsch

F: Pickett, Jackson, Spargo

FOLL: Gawn, Oliver, Viney

IC: Hunt, Harmes, Brayshaw,  Neal-Bullen

EMERG: vandenBerg, Sparrow, Jordon, Petty

 

Casey

B: Lockhart, J.Smith, Jetta

HB: Bowey, Petty, Munro

C: Rosman, Jones, vandenBerg

HF: Laurie, White, Chandler

F: Bedford, M.Brown, Farmer

FOLL: Bradtke, Sparrow, Jordon

IC: Neitscke, Mutimer, Foot, Hutchins

 

7 hours ago, old dee said:

Jaded it is not as though we are missing a 50 goal forward. He was very average for most of last year and in the last month where we needed a key forward he was terrible. One game he had a total of 3 involvements. He had yet to prove he belongs at senior level IMO.

His 2020 stats stack up pretty well with other key forwards.

9 hours ago, Clintosaurus said:

Expected a funeral, found a funeral. 

Catch up, I’m at the wake of our season 2021, sorry celebration of life. It’s pretty dead in here.

From choco(lates) to B(BB)oiled lollies to Tmac and Brown leading the forward line, ouch. It’s great to have better “connection” between the mids and fwds but if you’ve down to your 3rd rate fwds it’s going to make things very tough. 

7 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

Yes thankfully we kept Tom. We are now looking at Tommy, Petty, Mitch Brown and Luke Jackson as key forwards, aligned with Fritsch, Tracc, Melchum as mid sized forwards with Spargo, Kossie, Nibbler as crumbers.... it’s not the end of the world if our midfield dominance continues into 2021 and you know we get that connection between mids and forwards functioning. 

Uhm wasn’t it more of case of him being left on the nature strip with a “free to good home” sign around his neck and no one stopped to pick him up?

At this point that is a positive but the cupboard is pretty bare until BBB gets back from his knee issue. 
 

1 hour ago, Cards13 said:

Uhm wasn’t it more of case of him being left on the nature strip with a “free to good home” sign around his neck and no one stopped to pick him up?

At this point that is a positive but the cupboard is pretty bare until BBB gets back from his knee issue. 
 

Just hope Mitch Brown is given an opportunity early rather than too late like last year. When he came in he was more than useful.

13 hours ago, binman said:

I'll take the glass half full approach.

Which is based on a glass half empty premise. Which is that i have to say i've lost faith in Weed.

He was rubbish last year. He had the perfect opportunity to stamp himself as the man down forward but the longer the season went the less interested he looked. He seemed to go to the Melksham school of tackling and half arsed effort. 

When he began i saw him at practice match at the Holden centre and thought he looked a natural forward. But he doesn't seem as if he has really devloed his forard craft. And is too easliy pushed under the ball for mine.

So the glass half full is that Tmac plays deep -as he should have last year and LJ and Mitch Brown are the other key forwards. With Smith down there too flying at every height ball and generally going crazy. And together they rock

 

Exactly sums up my thoughts, but we need BBB back sooner rather than later.

37 minutes ago, loges said:

Just hope Mitch Brown is given an opportunity early rather than too late like last year. When he came in he was more than useful.

Exactly sums up my thoughts, but we need BBB back sooner rather than later.

Here is hoping loges or it’s a hodgepodge of a fwd line early doors.

8 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

****mond did win a premiership with the best backman of his generation in the stands PF.

I could argue backmen can save grand finals remembering Ball' s savimg mark for swans ,but foreards win them for you!!

 

10 hours ago, monoccular said:

It is now February by  the way 

 

Sounds like Petty will be reassigned up forward. 
 

One man’s pain is another’s opportunity 

Agree. Petty looked very good up forward in 2019. Great hands, aggressive, straight kick. And then there’s Joel Smith! 

9 hours ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

My (very ) limited knowledge of these matters tells me that the femur is about the biggest bone ( no John Holmes jokes please) on the skeleton.

I have never heard of a stress fracture in this bone. Is this unusual /rare?

Info please.

 

 

Pinched this from a physio website.

"The femur, as the largest bone in the body, has dozens of muscle origins and insertions, making it prone to stress injury at several locations. Stress injury denotes gradual structural compromise due to training overload. Stress fractures may be incomplete or complete, and either non-displaced or displaced.  Femoral neck stress fractures are considered high-risk for complications, particularly displacement; whereas, femoral shaft stress fractures are low-risk.

"Stress fractures occur in bones that undergo mechanical fatigue.  They are a consequence of exceeding repetitive submaximal loads, which creates an imbalance between bone resorption and bone formation. The fractures usually begin in locations of great stress; this is called “crack initiation”.  If this microscopic crack is not able to heal and is subjected to further loading, the microdamage will increase and the crack will enlarge. This increase in damage can cause the bone to break on a macroscopic level."

Then I saw this (gulp) : "Return to full sport can normally be achieved between 3 and 6 months after injury, though this can require up to a year if not longer."

 

ON THE BRIGHTER SIDE it also said patients could be off crutches and increasing weight bearing after six to eight weeks.

Edited February 10, 20214 yr by RigidMiddleDigit

15 hours ago, Dr.D said:

Petty is actually a forward. but goodwin sees him as a defender. If Goodwin had a brain he'd move Petty forward now but he won't because he's literally the worst coach of the modern era

Goodwin doesn't have a brain, so he will start Tmac on a wing and play Mitch  Brown & Jackson with 4 small fwds and bomb it in all day.

The Weid’s ‘stressy’ sounds like femoral neck, given he has hip pain. Should be on the quick end of healing (fit, young, best care) but as off-loading is the required management, getting back to full loading ‘match’ fitness is the time swallower. 12 weeks at absolute best, think more 16+. It’s much simpler than a stressy of the foot, so there won’t be complications. Just time. On the plus side, he can go nuts on upper body. 

I love the idea of building a forward line around a bloke who can barely get on the field, and is often pretty ordinary when he does.

12 weeks of recovery, then at least a month to build fitness and confidence takes us into June, so his chances of having a significant impact this year are low even without any setbacks.

Hopefully we haven't completely destroyed McDonald's confidence and he can perform this season.

Time to end the Kobe Farmer / Deakyn Smith experiments, and bring in some key position depth with our vacant list spots.

Lucky we still have TMac and MBrown (that most wanted to get rid of)

Add Jackson, Petty and we have just enough talls.

We also have our excuse for not performing in 2021. Perfect for the pollyanna's that are always looking to next year.

Ben Brown will be available soon after the season starts, so not that problematic.  Bad luck to the kid, who seemed to have been developing into that second forward (AKA Darling role) across this pre-season behind Brown.

I would like to see how Petty and TMac stand up in the roles, and Dogga to play his part.  Probably opens up a range of options further up the field as maybe Rosman gets a wing as TMAc heads forward?

Most teams are 1 or 2 injuries to key players away from trouble.  I dont think these are ‘key players’ and we can cover them based upon our approach.  More worried if we lost May / Lever / Trac / Oliver to be honest.  

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

Lucky we still have TMac and MBrown (that most wanted to get rid of)

Add Jackson, Petty and we have just enough talls.

We also have our excuse for not performing in 2021. Perfect for the pollyanna's that are always looking to next year.

Would expect most people are sick of looking to next year.

Wish we would desist from kicking an MFC Player when he's down. Who knows what they could do if allowed to...

18 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

F$&@()&k

Exquisitively posited point of view - it leaves all other comments on this topic just that little bit inferior and certainly, less meaningful. The emphases are astounding, too; hence, no need for punctuation. SWYL, you do expressive language proud!

Personally I don't want to see Petty up forward, let him settle into the role he's been training for down back. I think we harmed Joel Smith's development significantly by constantly swapping him between forward and back.

I'd rather have Fritsch and M.Brown out of the goalsquare, with T.Mac and Jackson roaming between half forward and wing.

Whilst I’d prefer Weideman to be fit and playing he’s being replaced with Brown, Jackson, Petty and TMac. Hardly time to run around flapping your arms in the air

Not really an positive spin I can find for our first two choice KPFs missing a big chunk of preseason and the season proper.
Weideman was very impressive in 2020 and was statistically on par with his KPF peers.

McDonald said he wanted the opportunity to prove himself... well, here it is!  Hopefully, with a full preseason and a lighter frame, McDonald can be released to play a more ranging, traditional CHF role.  His tank was his best asset prior to the toe and ankle issues and the role of the hulking, inside 50, power forward didn't work for him in 2019/20.

I don't love the idea of Jackson and Fritsch being inside 50 targets, but hopefully this can bring about a change in forward 50 entries (which was hopefully being worked on anyway). 

I currently don't have Petty in my best 22 ahead of a more versatile Tomlinson, but he may be worth a look and will be interesting to see where he trains/plays for the remainder of the preseason.  

Well that’s one way of figuring out how we’re going to fit Brown, Weid, Jackson and T Mac into the side. Just take out two of them with injury. The Melbourne method.

It’s clearly a kick in the crotch, although M Brown is a better player than some will acknowledge. I even happier now that we gave him another year. Hell, I have more faith in him than T Mac who has been riding the coattails of a freak season where he took the second defender every week. I thought my days of T Mac induced hernias were pretty much over but looks like the rollercoaster goes on. If he can at least play within his limitations then that will be a good start.

Regardless of T Mac, there is still enough firepower to kick winning scores more often than not.  But it will require a step up from a number of players.