Jonathan Brown to take Sam Weideman under his wing

[Demonland 73,209]

 

[Rab D Nesbitt 8,584]

As long as he's not offering elocution lessons I can't see it doing any harm. 

[chook fowler 19,585]

Great news. It seems the Club is being very proactive in sorting out some of the lingering issues that have stalled our progress. We have a reasonable draw and  a healthy list so hopefully onwards and upwards.

[Demons1858 1,766]

With a free splash of Juggernaut 16 by Jonathon Brown he will be untouchable 

[Little Goffy 14,661]

Well, that seems like a good idea.  The story is very light for details of course but the more mentoring involvement there is, the better.

[nosoupforme 3,085]

The Weid will learn something out of the great man. JB has the knowhow and will definitely give him some vital tips and strategies

Lets hope this could be the making of the Weid,  He certainly has the talent.

 

[BW511 2,688]

Good to see that a little help has been sought for Weid.

Hope he gains the confidence to back himself in 100% of the time, he’s a good and dangerous player when he puts his mind to it

[BAMF 4,395]

"Probably at a point of my carer where I really need to step up now"

Yep. I wasn't one of the posters who thought he was going to come on in leaps and bounds after 2018, but he is 12 months behind where I think he should be. Hope the pressure isn't getting too much for him. Hopefully Ben Brown will take a heap of pressure off of him and he can settle into his natural game. 

Hoping for Sammy to play 20 games this year and have 25+ goals.

[Biffen 12,947]

You can't teach tough.

[Whispering_Jack 30,753]

48 minutes ago, Biffen said:

You can't teach tough.

He should have learned that from his grandfather Murray who was a real mongrel in his day. 

[FarNorthernD 5,861]

If you’ve got 5 mins of holiday time this is well worth a watch. Brown is one of my all time favourite non Melbourne players

 

 

Edited December 26, 2020 by FarNorthernD

[Ham 741]

2 hours ago, Biffen said:

You can't teach tough.

But you can unlock it. 

[Bitter but optimistic 22,250]

2 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

He should have learned that from his grandfather Murray who was a real mongrel in his day. 

Murray would surely be the only bloke who played a game of league footy on Saturday arvo and then wrestled at Festival

Hall that night

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

1 hour ago, FarNorthernD said:

If you’ve got 5 mins of holiday time this is well worth a watch. Brown is one of my all time favourite non Melbourne players

 

 

 

In a parallel universe this is the player Jesse Hogan became for us.

[Supreme_Demon 3,903]

This is a great initiative to get Jonathan Brown who was a champion player at the Brisbane Lions to impart his wisdom and teach Sam Weideman how to play properly as an AFL forward for the Demons.

I think one of Sam's biggest deficiencies has been lack of confidence. He needs to jump more for his marks no matter what is in his way and really focus on his goal kicking. Jonathan Brown will hopefully be a fine teacher for Sam and also teach him to toughen up a bit more.

 

[faultydet 7,623]

1 hour ago, Supreme_Demon said:

This is a great initiative to get Jonathan Brown who was a champion player at the Brisbane Lions to impart his wisdom and teach Sam Weideman how to play properly as an AFL forward for the Demons.

I think one of Sam's biggest deficiencies has been lack of confidence. He needs to jump more for his marks no matter what is in his way and really focus on his goal kicking. Jonathan Brown will hopefully be a fine teacher for Sam and also teach him to toughen up a bit more.

 

Brown played angry.

Weideman has (imo) played his most impactful footy when he attacks the ball like he hates it.

Need to reduce the gaps between those performances to become the player he should.

[Willmoy1947 4,152]

All of this depends on our bloody game plan.

[kev martin 10,418]

7 hours ago, Ham said:

But you can unlock it. 

Hopefully that is what will happen.

 In the early years at MFC, he was scared.

Confidence and support could lead to courage.

His body is strong enough, skills are good, get his head in the right place.

Finding separation is also his Achilles heal. Seemed to always have an opponent or two in his space. Good that he recognises that. 

[Sir Why You Little 37,193]

Good positive move by the Club.

 

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,912]

Get him on the roids, so he can put on 10-15kg and get some angry in him if we want him to play like Jono Brown.

In all seriousness though, hopefully he can pass on some good advice to the young Weid.  It does beg a few questions for me though:

1. Is there a risk of Weid being advised and getting close to a key football personality who's not on our payroll?  Questions about where Brown's allegiances are for mine.

2.  How is it that it's gone this far in the Weid's career with us and he seems to feel like he has been lacking this kind of key forward mentoring that he needs to seek out his own mentor outside the club?

 

Anyways, hoping for a good year and hopefully the Weid works well in tandem and gets some real connection going between him and Big Ben Browwwn and they boot a ton of goals between themselves and our other forwards.

[buck_nekkid 6,047]

1 hour ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Get him on the roids, so he can put on 10-15kg and get some angry in him if we want him to play like Jono Brown.

In all seriousness though, hopefully he can pass on some good advice to the young Weid.  It does beg a few questions for me though:

1. Is there a risk of Weid being advised and getting close to a key football personality who's not on our payroll?  Questions about where Brown's allegiances are for mine.

2.  How is it that it's gone this far in the Weid's career with us and he seems to feel like he has been lacking this kind of key forward mentoring that he needs to seek out his own mentor outside the club?

 

Anyways, hoping for a good year and hopefully the Weid works well in tandem and gets some real connection going between him and Big Ben Browwwn and they boot a ton of goals between themselves and our other forwards.

1.  A lot of ego involved I would think.  If Weid comes on Brown looks brilliant.  Brown is media not coaching, so it can boost his profile if it goes well.

2. He has been developed and coached.  2018 no one would have thought this was needed.  Now, something different might make an impact.  Sometimes going too early with this stuff can confuse a player.  Now without a specific full forward as coach, this is a cheap way to get good ideas into his head, give him a confidante.  He also has the experience of Ben Brown to work with, too.

[Little Goffy 14,661]

For the record, it is absolutely possible to train 'tough'. Hell, you can train people to be savage killers if you're willing to go that way.

More practically, it is absolutely possible to train people to keep their eyes on the ball when anticipating a collision, to initiate/respond to heavy body contact in a marking contest, or to hit a pack at speed in pursuit of a mark.

These things are decisions and habits that can be trained and provide something very close to 'toughness' even if you don't have Jonathan Brown's look like he's about to solo wrestle and haul out the mad ram that got into the home paddock again.

[dazzledavey36 55,389]

13 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

For the record, it is absolutely possible to train 'tough'. Hell, you can train people to be savage killers if you're willing to go that way.

More practically, it is absolutely possible to train people to keep their eyes on the ball when anticipating a collision, to initiate/respond to heavy body contact in a marking contest, or to hit a pack at speed in pursuit of a mark.

These things are decisions and habits that can be trained and provide something very close to 'toughness' even if you don't have Jonathan Brown's look like he's about to solo wrestle and haul out the mad ram that got into the home paddock again.

Prime example would be David Neitz. I reckon in the 2nd half of his career he turned his training mentality to become one of the aggressive power forwards of the game. Would crash packs and go in to bat for his teammates. Russell Robertson and Jeff Farmer have been on record to say they always walked taller when big Neita was around the area.

Weid lacks that. In fact I doubt there would be any defenders in the league that fear playing on him. Weideman is a nice fella, but its time to get some ruthless and aggression in his game if he needs to take the next step forward. 

Edited December 27, 2020 by dazzledavey36

[DeeSpencer 26,090]

I think positioning and not getting enough easy ball are far bigger problems for Weid than toughness or presence.

The lack of reliable second option meant he had to be up the ground, and the game plan to get goal side for long bombs to the square left him sprinting deep.

The Jackson - Weid combo worked briefly before Jacko went down. Personally I’d rather stick with that but the Brown-Weid combo should be able to produce similar results. 
 

But part of that is Weid finding easy ball when he’s up the ground or even leading inside 50. Add a couple of uncontested marks each game and another half a goal a week and he’s right up with the best forwards. 

[McQueen 17,867]

19 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I think positioning and not getting enough easy ball are far bigger problems for Weid than toughness or presence.

The lack of reliable second option meant he had to be up the ground, and the game plan to get goal side for long bombs to the square left him sprinting deep.

The Jackson - Weid combo worked briefly before Jacko went down. Personally I’d rather stick with that but the Brown-Weid combo should be able to produce similar results. 
 

But part of that is Weid finding easy ball when he’s up the ground or even leading inside 50. Add a couple of uncontested marks each game and another half a goal a week and he’s right up with the best forwards. 

I rate your footy acumen Deespencer but with Weideman you seem to be able to see things in his game that I’m unable to. 
The recruitment of Brown you were dead against and went as far to say it will send Weideman back to the VFL. 
If it’s only a couple of uncontested grabs and half a goal between becoming one of the best forwards or battling at Casey - what am I missing?