Delistings

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,154]

Congratulations to all three of them on their careers.
Got to do what all of us could only dream of doing.

All the best for the next phase of their lives!

 

[Elegt 872]

On 7/8/2020 at 12:40 AM, Pickett2Jackson said:

 

Theyre both duds and  always have been.  And yes I know your post is 18 months old,  but I could have told you the exact same thing then.

Delist both.  Classic list cloggers.

Its interesting that we re-signed 8 players last year:

-Josh Wagner

-Joel Smith

-Corey Wagner

-Oskar Baker

-Kade Chandler

-Kyle Dunkley

-Jay Lockhart

-Alex Neal-Bullen

3 of those players are now gone, with more of those potentially to come this year. Just wondering whether we need to review our list management strategies, as we seem to be handing out extensions quite easily (Goodwin, Harmes etc.)

[deebug 1,754]

All the best to the three of them for the future?

[Elegt 872]

On 5/27/2019 at 6:56 PM, Ethan Tremblay said:

He also plays half-forward and kicked 3 goals on the weekend. Stop the whinging ffs. 

Another Jason Taylor special

[dazzledavey36 48,734]

Just now, Elegt said:

Another Jason Taylor special

Honestly mate, is there really a need to bring up threads from 12 months ago? You know you can just put this in the 'Delisting' thread discussing all matters such as this?

[Elegt 872]

2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Honestly mate, is there really a need to bring up threads from 12 months ago? You know you can just put this in the 'Delisting' thread discussing all matters such as this?

Just reminding people who shout down people who critique decisions 

[Siren 156]

Dunkley was offered a contract earlier in the year but circumstances change when opportunity isn’t there.  Looks like he will be picked up by another club as a DFA

[Demonland 64,807]

@Elegt no need to rehash the old threads. Keep delisting talk to this thread. Bringing up old threads just clogs up the board in an active time of the year and spreads out the same topic over multiple threads. Cheers.

[cantstandyasam 700]

6 minutes ago, Siren said:

Dunkley was offered a contract earlier in the year but circumstances change when opportunity isn’t there.  Looks like he will be picked up by another club as a DFA

Bulldogs perhaps join his bro

[Elegt 872]

9 minutes ago, Siren said:

Dunkley was offered a contract earlier in the year but circumstances change when opportunity isn’t there.  Looks like he will be picked up by another club as a DFA

No chance, he didn't show he had the tools in his 5 games. You could tell when you saw rivers/jackson play that they had afl traits from game 1.

[Dee tention 611]

4 minutes ago, cantstandyasam said:

Bulldogs perhaps join his bro

I think is a definite to join the Bulldogs if he isn’t picked up earlier... They would have picked him mid-season last year if we hadn’t. 
 

I am disappointed we delisted him. It shows how poor Melbourne is at developing players. He would want out anyway knowing he will land at the Dogs. I’m sure he will be happy and become a very decent player during his football career.

[BDA 20,048]

No qualms with the decision. Best of luck to all 3.

I hope they’ve put some thought into and prepared for their post footy careers as a I can’t see them getting picked up by other clubs. It’s a tough time to be looking for work.

[Laughing Goat 308]

Very disappointing but good luck to the three lads & hope they get to continue there careers elsewhere.

Absolutely gobsmacked that we are even thinking about retaining Bennell & Jones. 

What's it say about out recruiting department.

FM

[DubDee 20,575]

16 minutes ago, Elegt said:

No chance, he didn't show he had the tools in his 5 games. You could tell when you saw rivers/jackson play that they had afl traits from game 1.

aren't you a genius. first round draft picks look better than mid season draft top up players.  you need to have a 45th player on your list.  quite likely they won't make it.  we gave him a crack and he didnt make it.  we move on

[Rab D Nesbitt 7,124]

These three boys should probably make the most of the open bar at the B&F tonight. 

[hemingway 7,589]

1 hour ago, Demon3 said:

Its a tough time, i get angry at the players i get angry at the club but after it all settles, I love the club and hate seeing players depart. The Wagner boys looked like great fellas, popular teammates and they had a red hot dip, good on them. Dunkley got an opportunity which is more than lots of people, he should be proud.

I think there will be 3 more to go shortly and then they might sit on it for a while. Im convinced they will try and get something for Oscar.

 

Agree. Irrespective of opinions about the merits of a player, always a sad time to see players depart and the end of individual aspirations and dreams. 

Its a time for supporters to be generous in their comments about players. 

At the end of the day, they are being sacked, and for the individual that brings a lot of disappointment and grief. 

With more delistings to follow, there will be a lot more grief involving the players, their teammates and their families. 

Lets use social media in a respectful and positive way by thanking them for their efforts. At the end of the day they are good human beings and have for a short part of their life been Demons. 

[hemingway 7,589]

Disappointing year for all those delisted. Most have had little or no opportunity to prove themselves.  By in large selectors have stuck to the same group of players, in some cases, irrespective of form. Opinions can be formed by past seasons and training form, but there is nothing like current match day form to guide selection. Very frustrating for those discarded. There are others who have enjoyed considerable time on the list but based on form could be on the delist but will survive to fight another day. 

It is going to be interesting to see the outcome for a number of higher profile top 22 players. 

 

[poita 3,573]

Three down, hopefully at least six more to come.

Best of luck to Josh, Corey and Kyle, but these were inevitable and essential delistings.

[Diamond_Jim 11,746]

Best of luck to all three and congratulations for making it onto an AFL list. That in itself is no mean feat.

A few  statistics that may be of interest is that the median number of games for all players in 19 and that only a third of drafted players ever play 50 games.

Only one in six make it to a hundred games.

For these reasons I would hate to see the AFL skimp on career and transition counselling for all players in these hard times.

[buck_nekkid 5,481]

Good luck and thanks to these three.  Suggest they are the first batch - that had little or no perceived market value to other clubs, so were not held pending suitors.  I think the Wagner boys will succeed in the second tier comp, and maybe Kyle gets picked up by virtue of his family name (his bro goes OK) by another AFL outfit.

[buck_nekkid 5,481]

2 hours ago, Elegt said:

Its interesting that we re-signed 8 players last year:

-Josh Wagner

-Joel Smith

-Corey Wagner

-Oskar Baker

-Kade Chandler

-Kyle Dunkley

-Jay Lockhart

-Alex Neal-Bullen

3 of those players are now gone, with more of those potentially to come this year. Just wondering whether we need to review our list management strategies, as we seem to be handing out extensions quite easily (Goodwin, Harmes etc.)

No One has a crystal ball.  The club has to consider the upside potential of who they contract, as well as decide if they are better than what else might be available.  SOme are always going to do better than expected (Jason Taylor is Genius!) and some worse (Jason Taylor is a Bust!).  Simply put, there is always going to be a fringe of developing/potential players, many of whom come onto the list with later picks or ad DFA/SPP type arrangements.  A lot of luck goes into this whole process, and you really cant cut 8 from the list and not replace them with nothing - gotta always look to improve the list. If you dont have 8 high picks, then it makes no sense to cut 8 low cost fringe dwellers and replace them with...8 low cost fringe dwellers.

would suggest from your list Baker and Lockhart are definite improvers, ANB still good value and Joel smith a mystery.  Plenty to like in Chandler as well.  Not a bad strike rate from the human lucky dip that is drafting.

[Elegt 872]

1 minute ago, buck_nekkid said:

No One has a crystal ball.  The club has to consider the upside potential of who they contract, as well as decide if they are better than what else might be available.  SOme are always going to do better than expected (Jason Taylor is Genius!) and some worse (Jason Taylor is a Bust!).  Simply put, there is always going to be a fringe of developing/potential players, many of whom come onto the list with later picks or ad DFA/SPP type arrangements.  A lot of luck goes into this whole process, and you really cant cut 8 from the list and not replace them with nothing - gotta always look to improve the list. If you dont have 8 high picks, then it makes no sense to cut 8 low cost fringe dwellers and replace them with...8 low cost fringe dwellers.

would suggest from your list Baker and Lockhart are definite improvers, ANB still good value and Joel smith a mystery.  Plenty to like in Chandler as well.  Not a bad strike rate from the human lucky dip that is drafting.

Disagree. List management is a skill. I would've rather kept Billy stretch on then re sign the Wagner's 

[buck_nekkid 5,481]

6 minutes ago, Elegt said:

Disagree. List management is a skill. I would've rather kept Billy stretch on then re sign the Wagner's 

As a hypothetical, who would have you selected instead of these 8?

[Half forward flank 1,022]

52 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Disappointing year for all those delisted. Most have had little or no opportunity to prove themselves.  By in large selectors have stuck to the same group of players, in some cases, irrespective of form. Opinions can be formed by past seasons and training form, but there is nothing like current match day form to guide selection. Very frustrating for those discarded. There are others who have enjoyed considerable time on the list but based on form could be on the delist but will survive to fight another day. 

It is going to be interesting to see the outcome for a number of higher profile top 22 players. 

 

Interesting observation. I thought I saw a bit with Dunkley. A few times he kicked to a spot where the player needed to run to to mark the ball. It didnt work as our boys were wanting it directly. Made him look bad.  Good luck to the three of the boys. They are all good footy players and tried their best. All we can ask.

[dazzledavey36 48,734]

27 minutes ago, Elegt said:

Disagree. List management is a skill. I would've rather kept Billy stretch on then re sign the Wagner's 

I too would have kept Billy Stretch as well besides Josh Wagner.

Thought Stretch was good depth for the wing.