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6 minutes ago, Grimes Times said:

Not at all. Before this season Frost was depth. He only played this year due to injuries. You dont give out big and/orlong term deals to depth players and when you trade them for 2nd round picks its a win. We are about to trade a 2nd round pick for a guy who has finished top 5 in his clubs B&F the last 2 seasons.

 

 

You probably said the same with Howe and Dunn.

Amazing that when they play really good footy at the new destination, or assume prime leadership positions (when we are apparently rudderless (Lewis need)), it is that the player changed; not that they necessarily had it in them when they were here.

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7 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

If you use the calculator and overlay with this years results for future picks then we're essentially getting a 3rd rounder for Frost.

A 3rd rounder will still be pick 55-65.

Also, I would think our pick 42, a reasonable trading chip and would have some value in pick splitting or beefing up another trade.  Giving up 61 in this trade also leaves us a big gap at the draft table.

As I say not unhappy with Frost going but would have liked some value in this years draft.  As it stands we have 3, 22 and then 50, 79 etc

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12 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

Please.

Don't attempt to rewrite history; Frost has all the athleticism to be great, but certainly never has been.
 

“I think they’re paying massive money to Lever and May and Frost is their best defender,” Riewoldt told SEN.

“I’m more confident in Frost at the moment than the other two to beat a man.

“If I was playing tomorrow and the three of them lined up I reckon I’d find it harder to get a kick on Frost than the other two.

“I know Frost can stuff it up from time to time, but he gives great effort.”

 

 

 

So if Frost has never been great...

By your judgement and Riewoldt's, we are paying 1.7 million per year for fair to OK.

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Anyone who has been on this site for more than a few months knows exactly who will like the deal and who won't.  Regular as clockwork.

If the future second rounder goes for Langdon, then it's a good deal for us.  Still means we have a first, second and third this year and a first, second and third the following year.

I also think we're still in the market for other deals as well.

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the strategic advantage of this trade (player ability aside) is that we upgraded this years fourth round pick to a mid tier second round next year.

Not great but in the scheme of things probably more worthwhile recruitment wise than a mid tier third round pick this year which is what everybody has said would be "fair value" whatever this means.

I'll give this one  a tick

PS missed this years pick 42 (high third) that we are giving as well... deal is marginal at best

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4 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

A 3rd rounder will still be pick 55-65.

Also, I would think our pick 42, a reasonable trading chip and would have some value in pick splitting or beefing up another trade.

As I say not unhappy with Frost going but would have liked some value in this years draft.  As it stands we have 3, 22 and then 50 etc

I mentioned this in my above post, but the way I look at it is this:

We've added Tomlinson and, potentially, Langdon and we still have a first, second and third pick in both 2019 and 2020.  Yes, we've lost Frosty but we have cover there.  

I think it also means that we have the picks to do other deals if they arise.

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20 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

Great result for culture.
If only you knew.

Interesting. A relative of mine - Demon fan - met him out & about a few weeks ago and was surprised at how readily he mouthed off about the club to a perfect stranger. More to this trade than meets the eye ?

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1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

This is a great deal for us.

Well Done Mahoney and co.

Genuine question. Not argument. Why?

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Just now, Go the Biff said:

Interesting. A relative of mine - Demon fan - met him out & about a few weeks ago and was surprised at how readily he mouthed off about the club to a perfect stranger. More to this trade than meets the eye ?

Meh. If I had played the best season of my career and hadn't been offered a contract (or decent one) and knew I was leaving I'd probably be pretty [censored] off with the club.

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4 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

A 3rd rounder will still be pick 55-65.

Also, I would think our pick 42, a reasonable trading chip and would have some value in pick splitting or beefing up another trade.

As I say not unhappy with Frost going but would have liked some value in this years draft.  As it stands we have 3, 22 and then 50 etc

Makes it a near certainty that we'll only be offering up a future 2nd for Langdon, we've only got 3, 22, 50 & 79 so we'd be barley be able to bring in the required amount of players for the year. I'd be guessing that we could also bundle up next years 2 seconds and pass them onto a club requiring points for all the academy/FS selections nexy year. Maybe our 2 2020 2nds for the dogs 1st this year, or something similar.

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1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

I mentioned this in my above post, but the way I look at it is this:

We've added Tomlinson and, potentially, Langdon and we still have a first, second and third pick in both 2019 and 2020.  Yes, we've lost Frosty but we have cover there.  

I think it also means that we have the picks to do other deals if they arise.

Window dressing. 

Frost has gone for a poor third round pick and weakened our 2019 draft hand and not improved our 2020 draft hand.

I'm not in the camp that every trade needs to be a 'win' but I do think that each trade should generate some value.  Can't see the value for us in the Frost trade.

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Some look at a trade in isolation, I look at the trade period as a whole. I'll judge on Wednesday night. But I do believe this is part of a plan to net us a few good picks because of FS and Academy selections next year.

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Just now, AshleyH30 said:

Some look at a trade in isolation, I look at the trade period as a whole. I'll judge on Wednesday night. But I do believe this is part of a plan to net us a few good picks because of FS and Academy selections next year.

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21 minutes ago, Nasher said:

If the future second rounder goes to Freo for Langdon it’s impossible to see how this isn’t a great result.

Frost for Langdon and a bit of a junk swap.
Works for me.

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Just now, Red and Blue realist said:

Makes it a near certainty that we'll only be offering up a future 2nd for Langdon, we've only got 3, 22, 50 & 79 so we'd be barley be able to bring in the required amount of players for the year. I'd be guessing that we could also bundle up next years 2 seconds and pass them onto a club requiring points for all the academy/FS selections nexy year. Maybe our 2 2020 2nds for the dogs 1st this year, or something similar.

makes sense, particularly the bundling for next year

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1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Window dressing. 

Frost has gone for a poor third round pick and weakened our 2019 draft hand and not improved our 2020 draft hand.

I'm not in the camp that every trade needs to be a 'win' but I do think that each trade should generate some value.  Can't see the value for us in the Frost trade.

Window dressing?  Hardly.

If, and it's an if at this stage, we got that future second rounder to use for Langdon, then I think we've done quite well.  We still have picks in all rounds for the next two years while being able to add two valuable players to our side.

It's not a knockout, but I'm not even close to being unhappy with it.

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Just now, Lucifer's Hero said:

Window dressing. 

Frost has gone for a poor third round pick and weakened our 2019 draft hand and not improved our 2020 draft hand.

I'm not in the camp that every trade needs to be a 'win' but I do think that each trade should generate some value.  Can't see the value for us in the Frost trade.

I actually see 2nd round picks next year as being very valuable, there's a heap of academy and father son kids next year, so we should be able to bundle up the 2 2nds (if we don't trade them for Langdon) for something pretty valuable either this year or next. 

We also got something for a player we don't want, that's always good.

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I very much doubt Freo takes a future second rounder valued at roughly 45 to 50 for Langdon.  They might take it as 'part of' the deal.  Get serious guys.  This was a loss whichever way you cut it in terms of what isn't coming back.

At the very least should have got a mid to late 30s pick in this draft and, barring that, Gunston as part of the shitty trade we agreed to.  Top 10 in the B&F and we let him go for nix!

Hawthorn have bent us over on this one.

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11 minutes ago, TGR said:

“I think they’re paying massive money to Lever and May and Frost is their best defender,” Riewoldt told SEN.

“I’m more confident in Frost at the moment than the other two to beat a man.

“If I was playing tomorrow and the three of them lined up I reckon I’d find it harder to get a kick on Frost than the other two.

“I know Frost can stuff it up from time to time, but he gives great effort.”

 

So if Frost has never been great...

By your judgement and Riewoldt's, we are paying 1.7 million per year for fair to OK.

 

Don't combine my judgment with Reiwoldt's. 

Riewoldt is an idiot, but also was pushing an agenda when he went with this.

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All relevant to the Langdon trade just announced.

Pick 22, 79 and a future second round selection will head to the Dockers, while pick 26 and a future fourth round selection head to Melbourne along with Langdon. 

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1 minute ago, Rusty Nails said:

I very much doubt Freo takes a future second rounder valued at roughly 45 to 50 for Langdon.  They might take it as 'part of' the deal.  Get serious guys.  This was a loss whichever way you cut it in terms of what isn't coming back.

At the very least should have got a mid to late 30s pick in this draft and, barring that, Gunston as part of the shitty trade we agreed to.  Top 10 in the B&F and we let him go for nix!

Hawthorn have bent us over on this one.

I think you're the first to use the expression! Congratulations!

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31 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

Great result for culture.
If only you knew.

This. 
Everyone should read this and move on with their misery. 
We wanted Frost gone. Just like we wanted Watts and Hogan gone. Make no mistake, we don’t lose players we want to keep because of money. We can afford to pay. We just choose not to. 
 

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