Jack Watts video

[DeeSpencer 23,490]

8 hours ago, ProDee said:

I largely agree with this.

Boyd is rubbish, Patton has done nothing, and McCartin has done less than 'tip toes'.

I disagree re Kreuzer.  While he is a battler, he's at least had a top 3 B&F finish and made the AA squad of 40.  He's demonstrably been better than Watts.  More importantly, he has courage in the air.

In 1 more season and despite being nearly 2 years older Kruezer has managed 1 more AFL game. 173 v 172. He averages 12 disposals and 20 hitouts. So he's not winning in the air or on the ground.

Yeah he's better because he's more likely to compete and do his job, but really there's more similarities than differences.

24 career brownlow votes to 15 show that neither have really done anything.

Kreuzer's 2017 was the one year he put it together and had a good season. Watts' 2016 was the one year he did as well. 

If you were drafting them again you'd stay well clear of both but I'd almost take Watts because in 2016 he showed what he could do. Give me a guy who can kick 38 goals and set up plenty more with accurate inside 50 kicking, with the right culture and development (at the age that it matters) you'd probably have a player that's hard to find. The list of ruckmen who have made the AA team (yet alone the squad) is plentiful and not overly impressive. Guys like Minson and Jamar who were mostly serviceable managed to have standout years at some stage of their careers.

[Sir Why You Little 34,931]

12 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

It's a news program?

Kochie thinks it is...

[daisycutter 28,688]

58 minutes ago, poita said:

I know we have a 24 hour news cycle and way too many wannabe journalists trying to eke out a living, but this obsession that society has with being offended by every little thing that is said and done by consenting adults in private simply astounds me.

J.......

i don't think many posters are actually offended as such, poita. those being critical are more  on the basis of jack being stupid or a dh and getting a rep as a just a party boy who parties harder than he plays football, plus the bad publicity he attracts which potentially affects his family, his club, his club supporters, plus all those kids that idolise him. yes he is (has?) been a role model for kids, and yes jack has always been great with kids and charities giving his time generously and genuinely

there is a lot to like about jack as a person but he's only harming that image and people disappointed with his football to date are concerned about his priorities

[Gator 16,921]

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

In 1 more season and despite being nearly 2 years older Kruezer has managed 1 more AFL game. 173 v 172. He averages 12 disposals and 20 hitouts. So he's not winning in the air or on the ground.

Yeah he's better because he's more likely to compete and do his job, but really there's more similarities than differences.

24 career brownlow votes to 15 show that neither have really done anything.

Kreuzer's 2017 was the one year he put it together and had a good season. Watts' 2016 was the one year he did as well. 

If you were drafting them again you'd stay well clear of both but I'd almost take Watts because in 2016 he showed what he could do. Give me a guy who can kick 38 goals and set up plenty more with accurate inside 50 kicking, with the right culture and development (at the age that it matters) you'd probably have a player that's hard to find. The list of ruckmen who have made the AA team (yet alone the squad) is plentiful and not overly impressive. Guys like Minson and Jamar who were mostly serviceable managed to have standout years at some stage of their careers.

The day I start judging players on Brownlow votes I'll give the game away.  Jetta has none from 141 games.

Kreuzer has often been cruelled by injury during his career, which hasn't helped him, however, I prefer to judge players using the good old-fashioned eye test.  Kreuzer is a heart and soul type player, who at his best made the AA squad of 40 and earnt the respect of his teammates, while Watts is a pea-heart who jumps for a mark in a pack (only when he couldn't avoid it) with his eyes closed and one arm in the air hoping body contact wouldn't be too severe.  In Kreuzer's best year he averaged 105 AFL ranking points.  Watts never hit 80 in his best year.

For a laugh have a look at his 2018 year.  He came 20th in the B&F having played 19 games.  In 4 of 5 games, where 20 or 21 out of 22 players received votes, he missed out.  More amusing he just pipped Hamish Hartlett, who finished 21st, by 4 votes.  Hartlett played the grand total of 5 games.  ?

The bloke is a total ar$e-clown and you do Kreuzer a disservice to even compare him to a Jack "I get over losing pretty quickly" Watts. 

 

[dazzledavey36 49,348]

4 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Koch is just jealous. 

It is pathetic, i would laugh in his face. 

Menthol, Glucose and Sugar in October

”Mind your own Business Kochie...”

(Sunrise is such an appalling excuse for a TV News program, not without its own little controversies from time to time...)

SWYL i am surprised with your commentary on this discussion. For the past couple of years you have slammed the clubs poor off field and on field culture which is now crystal clear that Watts was probably one of the main instigators towards this.

Yet you seem fine with his off field activities?

Do you support the decision of Goodwin getting rid of him with little fuss?

[monoccular 16,397]

On 2/4/2019 at 2:43 PM, Soidee said:

Ive had my fair share of fun in my 60 years pal!  I bet if you ask that girl whether she was having fun, the answer might surprise you.  People like me pal may just have seen more of life than you.  The difference was, I was never stupid enough to be filmed.  If you don’t get the bad look issue, you never will.  

In fairness, Soidee, (I am a decade or so older than you), back when we were young and having fun, to be filmed would have involved some dude going out and getting a movie camera, a roll of film, and waving this huge device in your face, then sending the film off to be processed and played on some monstrous projector and screen in a darkened room.  And sharing??

 None of this spur of the moment or even surreptitious videoing. 

[Sir Why You Little 34,931]

36 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

SWYL i am surprised with your commentary on this discussion. For the past couple of years you have slammed the clubs poor off field and on field culture which is now crystal clear that Watts was probably one of the main instigators towards this.

Yet you seem fine with his off field activities?

Do you support the decision of Goodwin getting rid of him with little fuss?

Happy with the trade. Jack is an idiot for filming what he did. BUT he has done nothing wrong, during his own holiday time  

sniffing Menthol, sugar and Glucose is a harmless past time. 

The media feed on this rubbish today and it is a sad. 

Nothing wrong with having fun

[Emerald 1,736]

The biggest problem I have with this incident is the media calling Watts an AFL Star. 

[Sir Why You Little 34,931]

43 minutes ago, Emerald said:

The biggest problem I have with this incident is the media calling Watts an AFL Star. 

Talent to burn with little Application.....

[Moonshadow 16,409]

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Happy with the trade. Jack is an idiot for filming what he did. BUT he has done nothing wrong, during his own holiday time  

sniffing Menthol, sugar and Glucose is a harmless past time. 

The media feed on this rubbish today and it is a sad. 

Nothing wrong with having fun

Yeah, we get its legal and consentual, yadda, yadda, yadda 

What's "fun" to you might be perceived  by others as degrading, irresponsible and lacking maturity. Each to their own

Whether he and we like it or not, kids look up to 'stars' like Jack. [censored] loads of no 4 jumpers were sold when he was a Demon, he rode the attention. And to his credit Jack did a lot of hospital visits, clinics, etc, which sits uncomfortably in contrast to this clip. Not forgetting his less defendable SM clips from the past that thankfully haven't made it onto this forum

He's a dumb culture killer with the brain of a 14 year old boy. What a waste of ability. Glad he's no longer our problem

[Sir Why You Little 34,931]

40 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Yeah, we get its legal and consentual, yadda, yadda, yadda 

What's "fun" to you might be perceived  by others as degrading, irresponsible and lacking maturity. Each to their own

Whether he and we like it or not, kids look up to 'stars' like Jack. [censored] loads of no 4 jumpers were sold when he was a Demon, he rode the attention. And to his credit Jack did a lot of hospital visits, clinics, etc, which sits uncomfortably in contrast to this clip. Not forgetting his less defendable SM clips from the past that thankfully haven't made it onto this forum

He's a dumb culture killer with the brain of a 14 year old boy. What a waste of ability. Glad he's no longer our problem

Each to their own yes. But it is a huge media beat up, which ever way you look at it  

Early posts on here said it was “career threatening”

That was a good laugh  

maybe a few more keyboard warriors should go over to Oktoberfest and actually have some fun  

i highly recommend it with a few mates

 

[Skuit 9,381]

7 hours ago, ProDee said:

 

Just damning. Manage a bunch of pre-season goals and 14 votes in your first home & away game at a new club. Poll three votes in your next eight matches. Keep getting picked.

I actually have a new-found respect for Watts. Dude has carved out a well-paid career with the minimum of effort to support his true loves of swimming & breasts. Came at the expense of passionate club supporters but that's his prerogative. It's the coaches who he's managed to con along the way - including Roos, 'I just want to be treated like a human being' - who the fans should be annoyed with. 

Goodwin is a godsend.

 

[ManDee 7,093]

Bad look for footy Jack, yes I know it was legal but it reminds me of Sam Mitchell and the mock injection. It was a bad look but not illegal. The AFL works hard to protect the code, they are often incompetent buffoons but they consistently claim to be about protecting the game. Jack would be wise to protect his own image / reputation, one day he won't be on an AFL list.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,588]

17 hours ago, Macca said:

If we could go back and add 4 or 5 top players to those Northey & Daniher teams we almost certainly would have won a flag or 2.  And top management goes with all that.  And a good culture.

And you win flags then everything is viewed differently.  We've never had the talent levels in my opinion.  Hopefully that changes.

And just on being a top player ... as a forward the front position is a prerequisite and so is the ability to take a contested mark.  Basic skills 101.  Without those basics a tall forward can never be a top player.

Not laying all the blame at the feet of Daniher, because it's the responsibility of all the club leadership to create and foster the right kind of culture, but I'm not so sure all was well on his watch, when you look at the problems and behaviours of guys like Ward and Schwarz during his time.  These guys are grown men, not boys and there becomes a point where the senior players need to accept responsibility for their own behaviors and the impact that has on team culture and I think that is the worst aspect of Watts behavior.  Not saying that breaking serious mental addictions to things like gambling or drugs is easy either BTW.

I agree with both sides of this in a way.  Viewed in isolation, this event from Watts is pretty harmless, but in things he context of his apparent history of parry boy behavior, it becomes more corrosive to team culture and an off feild distraction I'm sure both Watts himself and Port could have done without.  He had a great chance to make a clean break from all things he his kind of stuff with Port, moving to a new club and new city away from his former social group and had a good opertunity to knuckle down, get serious and salvage a few good years at the end of what will otherwise be viewed as a fairly mediocre playing career, but appears to be whittling away the opportunity.  A bit sad really.

Edited February 5, 2019 by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

[Macca 16,173]

5 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Not laying all the blame at the feet of Daniher, because it's the responsibility of all the club leadership to create and foster the right kind of culture, but I'm not so sure all was well on his watch, when you look at the problems and behaviours of guys like Ward and Schwarz during his time.  These guys are grown men, not boys and there becomes a point where the senior players need to accept responsibility for their own behaviors and the impact that has on team culture and I think that is the worst aspect of Watts behavior.  Not saying that breaking serious mental addictions to things like gambling or drugs is easy either BTW.

I agree with both sides of this in a way.  Viewed in isolation, this event from Watts is pretty harmless, but in things he context of his apparent history of parry boy behavior, it becomes more corrosive to team culture and an off feild distraction I'm sure both Watts himself and Port could have done without.  He had a great chance to make a clean break from all things he his kind of stuff with Port, moving to a new club and new city away from his former social group and had a good opertunity to knuckle down, get serious and salvage a few good years at the end of what will otherwise be viewed as a fairly mediocre playing career, but appears to be whittling away the opportunity.  A bit sad really.

We draft these blokes at an age where we really don't how they are going to turn as footballers or indeed how they are going to turn out as people. 

The trouble is that we're fed information such as "He's going to be a star" or "He comes from a good family" etc etc and because we want to believe all that we tend to believe all that.  

There are others (myself included) who prefer a wait-and-see approach which takes away all unrealistic expectations and the angst that can often go with those unrealistic expectations not being met.  I often see people lashing out with their anger over the outcomes of drafting as if somehow the future is written in stone.  

Therefore,  I'm neither disappointed with Watts nor am I pleased with the outcome.  But that's just me,  others can please themselves. 

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,588]

On 2/4/2019 at 9:32 PM, Sir Why You Little said:

Imagine if David Boon had drunk his 37 cans en route to England ??????? in 2019. He would be hounded to the point of death!

when Boonie actually did it in the 80’s he was lauded for it. 

It was fun.....

So true SWYL ...and Boonie is still quietly lauded by it by many, exposing an extent of hypocrisy in all of us, in so far as it was ok to do it in that era, but not now.  Conversely, I wounder how the Australian cricket team and footballers of that era's image would have faired if smart phone and social media was a thing back then?

The media and popular culture seem to promote the party scene and laud some excesses, but are pretty quick to start tearing people down when it all goes pear shaped.  A higher standard also seems to be applied to sports people than to the broader acting and music part of the 'entertainment industry' as well.

There is an extent to which some of this smart phone, social media thing is good.  I'm sure that some of these celebrities (sports people and others alike) act like arrogant entitled pigs at times and the exposure of some of their worst deeds probably keeps that in check to a point.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,588]

22 minutes ago, Macca said:

We draft these blokes at an age where we really don't how they are going to turn as footballers or indeed how they are going to turn out as people. 

The trouble is that we're fed information such as "He's going to be a star" or "He comes from a good family" etc etc and because we want to believe all that we tend to believe all that.  

There are others (myself included) who prefer a wait-and-see approach which takes away all unrealistic expectations and the angst that can often go with those unrealistic expectations not being met.  I often see people lashing out with their anger over the outcomes of drafting as if somehow the future is written in stone.  

Therefore,  I'm neither disappointed with Watts nor am I pleased with the outcome.  But that's just me,  others can please themselves. 

I hear what you are saying.  If there is a sense of disapointment to this it should be that Jack at his best under Roos has shown he can play footy. 

Sure he may not have been and probably never will be the most courageous player, but he could be a well above average player in other aspects and a valuable member of a sucess full team if he was prepared to knuckle down and play the team game on and off the feild and that appears to be what he is failing at.

[Bondi 25]

I've got no problem with players letting their hair down in the off season. Jack showed poor judgement in letting himself be filmed. I was gutted when he was let go but I feel that the club has been vindicated considering the things that have come to light since.

[Macca 16,173]

31 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

I hear what you are saying.  If there is a sense of disapointment to this it should be that Jack at his best under Roos has shown he can play footy. 

Sure he may not have been and probably never will be the most courageous player, but he could be a well above average player in other aspects and a valuable member of a sucess full team if he was prepared to knuckle down and play the team game on and off the feild and that appears to be what he is failing at.

In my experience I've come across any number of sportspeople who haven't realised their potential. 

After a while one realises that the outcomes are largely enivitable.  The pathways individuals take are self-chosen. 

I don't believe that Jack had enough basic skills to even have an above average career ... playing in front,  contested marking and a drive to succeed are skills in themselves.  Doing the extras at training and a manic attack on the ball are also basic skills.

[Macca 16,173]

Clayton Oliver is a good example ... take away his manic attack on the ball and he becomes just an average player.

Not sure that stuff can be taught either although it has probably happened.  Development is key but it is still up to the player themselves.

[ding 5,126]

1 hour ago, Bondi said:

I've got no problem with players letting their hair down in the off season. Jack showed poor judgement in letting himself be filmed. I was gutted when he was let go but I feel that the club has been vindicated considering the things that have come to light since.

We may well be saying exactly the same thing about Hogan in a couple of years.

Seems the club actually DO know what they are on about.

Long may it continue.

[Ethan Tremblay 28,536]

23 minutes ago, Macca said:

Clayton Oliver is a good example ... take away his manic attack on the ball and he becomes just an average player.

How about his delicious handballs? 

[Skuit 9,381]

10 minutes ago, Macca said:

Clayton Oliver should never be mentioned in a Jack Watts thread.

 

[ManDee 7,093]

Just now, Ethan Tremblay said:

How about his delicious handballs? 

It is you Bruce. Sensational isn't it!

[In Harmes Way 7,613]

1 hour ago, Bondi said:

I've got no problem with players letting their hair down in the off season. Jack showed poor judgement in letting himself be filmed. I was gutted when he was let go but I feel that the club has been vindicated considering the things that have come to light since.

Welcome to DL Bondi!  Couldn't agree with you more...