Changes vs Bulldogs

[Garbo 1,330]

I think we will see Bugg out for JKH, Goodwin seems the type who rewards vfl form, Bugg although going ok is probably first out at the moment if we are making changes.

Obviously Gawn or Spencer will also be in at the expense of Oscar or Frost. Oscar was solid on the last line and didn't have any brain fades to my recollection and just now seems to be coming into his own, but Forst has that X factor we lack but just isn't as accountable to his man. Hard choice. 

Edited June 13, 2017 by Garbo
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[Pates 9,537]

1 hour ago, Garbo said:

I think we will see Bugg out for JKH, Goodwin seems the type who rewards vfl form, Bugg although going ok is probably first out at the moment if we are making changes.

Obviously Gawn or Spencer will also be in at the expense of Oscar or Frost. Oscar was solid on the last line and didn't have any brain fades to my recollection and just now seems to be coming into his own, but Forst has that X factor we lack but just isn't as accountable to his man. Hard choice. 

If it's a choice between those two I'd go with Frost. WB have a smaller foward line so Oscars size it less important, and Frost has pace so will be able to run with them more. 

There was word that Oscar was playing through an injury on monday, perhaps with the short break and the fact we have the Eagles afterwards where he may have a better match up, Oscar could be given a rest for the week. 

I don't think Bugg will be dropped, having watched more of the highlights I realise that Bugg does more than just play as a forward. He niggles, chases, and makes contests (I just wish he could bloody kick straight!). He also plays taller than you might expect from a player his size. JHK would be a small crumming forward, with maybe a stint in the midfield. For me JHK just needs to keep putting his hand up and he'll get his chance again. 

In terms of rewarding VFL form, ask Trengove and Kennedy about that. Kent also came in off the back of a very quiet game a few weeks back. There seems to be some that just get more of an opportunity. 

Edited June 13, 2017 by Pates

[Jaded No More 58,111]

9 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

C'mon Jaded, you're better than that.  Bugg has brought some real positives to our side, not to mention the fact he plays a vastly different role to Stretch.  It seems to me Buggy is starting to get a bad rap from some and I'm not entirely sure why.

Because he is an 'almost player'. Almost kicked a goal, almost hit a target, almost cost us the game by giving away a dumb undisciplined 50m penalty. 
Bugg is not the sort of player I see in our premiership team, Stretch is. I would drop Bugg ahead of Harmes because I like the pace Harmes bring. Or we could drop Melksham, but I know that won't happen so why bother.

Edited June 13, 2017 by Jaded

[Demons11 6,404]

8 hours ago, Garbo said:

I think we will see Bugg out for JKH, Goodwin seems the type who rewards vfl form, Bugg although going ok is probably first out at the moment if we are making changes.

Obviously Gawn or Spencer will also be in at the expense of Oscar or Frost. Oscar was solid on the last line and didn't have any brain fades to my recollection and just now seems to be coming into his own, but Forst has that X factor we lack but just isn't as accountable to his man. Hard choice. 

I'm not a massive Bugg fan but he has to play in front of JKH.  JKH is so uncompetitive. 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,460]

13 hours ago, xarronn said:

Well done BRFE, it's great that you have taken the trouble to check this out. I was at the game and listened on the radio as well, and there was no mention of this tag. Then in the post game thread, out of the blue, a post claimed that Melksham, had tagged Pendles. That post without  elaboration or substantiation changed the conversation about Melksham. I really want Melksham to succeed as a great get by us, but I want that to be based on facts not fiction.

If you are correct, he had the poor day that most of us thought we observed. I don't think I can be bothered, but it is almost worth looking through the Post game thread and asking the poster who made that statement where that idea came from.

I haven't seen the replay but I was at the game and I thought that at every centre bounce when Pendlebury was there, Melksham was right next to him. And every time Pendlebury came to the bench for a spell, Melksham did the same. It was only after half-time that this changed.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

I'm sure I'll be potted again but Dom Tyson for me just isn't cutting it.

He is racking up ball, but if you compare the type of possessions he is gaining and the quality and meaningfulness of his disposals vs others in our side, you'll see that he's simply not damaging enough. He was fumbly, caught out on the counter due to his pace and he genuinely could have lost us the game when he had the free kick and kicked long directly to three collingwood players. (Hibberd's desperate diving spoil saved a mark coming back in which resulted in Jack's winning goal).

Along with his lack of positional versatility, I can see him being squeezed out against a speedy dogs side on a fast deck.

I'm hoping Gawn's fit and can rotate forward with Pedo to cause some headaches for an undersized dog's defence. I'd also like to see Trac play deep forward in patches next week.

Ins: Gawn, JKH and Stretch

Outs: O-Mac, Tyson and ANB

On notice: Harmes, Lewis, Melksham and Frost

 

[Cards13 9,117]

Haven't we just come off a bye? Are they professional players?Comments like 3 changes are a must doesn't make sense to me for this week. 

Unless injured there may be no change as the Doggies don't have a ruck of note, another week for Spenc to get game time in 2s, Gawn another week to keep building up again. 

Id be amazed if Gawn plays this week at all, MFC tends be to conservative with our injured players let alone a player of Max worth long term to us.

Edited June 13, 2017 by Cards13

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,217]

I can see O-Mac being (managed) this week. Bugg will not be dropped almost guaranteed he will line up next to Johanissen. We cant go in without a ruck at Etihad against the dogs, unlike the MCG it is alot easier to take it from centre to goals with no option to defend, Spencer to play. Wagner should come in and Vince should play in the middle on The Bont. Raffle ANB or Harmes or Melksham to make way. 

In Spencer, Wagner

Out O-Mac, Harmes

 

[daisycutter 28,578]

10 hours ago, martin said:

Adam Treloar on the radio earlier commenting how yesterday's game was the fastest in which he's ever been involved. Apparently Pendlebury and other senior players concurred. All running measures were off the charts.Given this, a 6 v 10 day break and the doggies desperate on their home ground I fear our first touch up of the season.With three six day breaks ahead I think we need to make three or four changes each week as a rotation policy and bring in fresh(er) bodies to be any chance e JKH,Stretch,Gawn etc. If not I think we're in strife.

running is great for your fitness and stamina. do them good

just no need to [censored] them during the week at training

all is good

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

1 minute ago, Cards13 said:

Haven't we just come off a bye? Are they professional players?Comments like 3 changes are a must doesn't make sense to me for this week. 

Unless injured there may be no change as the Doggies don't have a ruck of note, another week for Spenc to get game time in 2s, Gawn another week to keep building up again. 

It's horses for courses.

Three changes due to a combination of form, matchups and change of ground.

Rotations are normal for teams going into a three week block of six day breaks back-to-back-to-back.

[dee-tox 4,827]

15 hours ago, xarronn said:

Well done BRFE, it's great that you have taken the trouble to check this out. I was at the game and listened on the radio as well, and there was no mention of this tag. Then in the post game thread, out of the blue, a post claimed that Melksham, had tagged Pendles. That post without  elaboration or substantiation changed the conversation about Melksham. I really want Melksham to succeed as a great get by us, but I want that to be based on facts not fiction.

If you are correct, he had the poor day that most of us thought we observed. I don't think I can be bothered, but it is almost worth looking through the Post game thread and asking the poster who made that statement where that idea came from.

WTF? It was I that originally mentioned that Melksham was tagging Pendlebury in the first half.

Since has been mentioned almost ad nauseum by pundits, analysts, etc. Add to that Bernie Vince, Nathan Jones etc. It was even mentioned by Tim Watson that Collingwood should have been more proactive in breaking the tag.

There's an insinuation that just because you didn't see it, it didn't happen. That's pretty ordinary IMO.

Edited June 14, 2017 by dee-tox

[dazzledavey36 48,859]

Interesting that Bugg has just hit the 90 game mark.

 

[rolling fog 1,146]

35 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

I'm sure I'll be potted again but Dom Tyson for me just isn't cutting it.

He is racking up ball, but if you compare the type of possessions he is gaining and the quality and meaningfulness of his disposals vs others in our side, you'll see that he's simply not damaging enough. He was fumbly, caught out on the counter due to his pace and he genuinely could have lost us the game when he had the free kick and kicked long directly to three collingwood players. (Hibberd's desperate diving spoil saved a mark coming back in which resulted in Jack's winning goal).

Along with his lack of positional versatility, I can see him being squeezed out against a speedy dogs side on a fast deck.

I'm hoping Gawn's fit and can rotate forward with Pedo to cause some headaches for an undersized dog's defence. I'd also like to see Trac play deep forward in patches next week.

Ins: Gawn, JKH and Stretch

Outs: O-Mac, Tyson and ANB

On notice: Harmes, Lewis, Melksham and Frost

 

I'll take the bait re: Tyson, he was BOG against the Bulldogs last year with 32 touches and, surprisingly, just the one clanger. Admittedly, that match was at the G last year.

However, if the speed of the deck is going to be an issue I think we can look elsewhere before we give Tyson the Tijuana. 

[SFebes 4,692]

16 hours ago, xarronn said:

Well done BRFE, it's great that you have taken the trouble to check this out. I was at the game and listened on the radio as well, and there was no mention of this tag. Then in the post game thread, out of the blue, a post claimed that Melksham, had tagged Pendles. That post without  elaboration or substantiation changed the conversation about Melksham. I really want Melksham to succeed as a great get by us, but I want that to be based on facts not fiction.

If you are correct, he had the poor day that most of us thought we observed. I don't think I can be bothered, but it is almost worth looking through the Post game thread and asking the poster who made that statement where that idea came from.

I was listening to Triple M and they did say Melksham was tagging Pendlebury, Judd brought it to the attention of the commentary team. However I want him out of the side, he butchers the ball way too much for AFL level.

Edited June 14, 2017 by SFebey

[Wiseblood 24,636]

2 hours ago, Jaded said:

Because he is an 'almost player'. Almost kicked a goal, almost hit a target, almost cost us the game by giving away a dumb undisciplined 50m penalty. 
Bugg is not the sort of player I see in our premiership team, Stretch is. I would drop Bugg ahead of Harmes because I like the pace Harmes bring. Or we could drop Melksham, but I know that won't happen so why bother.

Is he?  He kicked two goals and, if you watch the replay, had a hand in a few others as well, especially in the third term when we were at out best.  He kicked one, passed another on to Watts who goaled and then crashed a pack which allowed Pedersen to goal as well.  That's just what I remember off the top of my head.

While I love what Stretch brings to the side, Buggy is ahead of him at the minute for his impact on the game and more than deserves to keep his spot.

57 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Outs: O-Mac, Tyson and ANB

On notice: Harmes, Lewis, Melksham and Frost

 

No one needs to pot you, Steve.  You do it to yourself when you drop Tyson for JKH.

[jnrmac 19,045]

We have 3 x 6 day breaks in a row coming up with a game at Etihad, Domain Stadium in Perth and back at the G.

How they manage the players through this tough stretch will largely determine our season you would think.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

From watching the replay I'm not sure Melksham spent much time with Pendlebury.

One thing about Melksham is he is a terrible tackler, rarely do his tackles seem to stick.

[DubDee 20,737]

Dogs bringing back Boyd, Libba and Morris and coming off a poor run.  Think we might be up against it this week

But Im keen to be surprised!

[old55 21,356]

On 6/13/2017 at 11:57 AM, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Goodwin made two changes at half time that changed the game. Pedersen and T McDonald swapped roles, so McDonald did most of the rucking. He was no more or less effective in that role than Pedersen. But Pedersen going forward made a huge difference and made it much easier for Watts and Petracca to get into the game. To enable Pedersen to spend more time forward, Spencer should come in for one of Harmes, Bugg or Hannan (probably Bugg).

The other change was taking Melksham away from Pendlebury. Melksham had done an excellent job but it meant we were an attacking player short in the midfield. We looked much better with three attacking on-ballers instead of two. Which means I don't know what we should do with Vince, Lewis and Melksham. We can't play them all behind the ball. Which suits me, because I think Lewis or Vince are better up the ground anyway.

Nevertheless, assuming no forced changes, I would say Spencer for Bugg (or Harmes or Hannan) and that is all. 

Quoted because that's the way I saw it too.

I'd like Spencer in but think it needs to be for a tall - OMac out despite playing very well.

[Pennant St Dee 11,324]

34 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

From watching the replay I'm not sure Melksham spent much time with Pendlebury.

One thing about Melksham is he is a terrible tackler, rarely do his tackles seem to stick.

Watch again he's very close to Pendles around stoppages and when the Pies tried to hold possession. As soon as we got hold of the ball he ran very hard off Pendlebury. In the second half when we started to dominate the stoppages he didn't need to be as close

[old55 21,356]

1 hour ago, dee-tox said:

WTF? It was I that originally mentioned that Melksham was tagging Pendlebury in the first half.

Since has been mentioned almost ad nauseum by pundits, analysts, etc. Add to that Bernie Vince, Nathan Jones etc. It was even mentioned by Tim Watson that Collingwood should have been more proactive in breaking the tag.

There's an insinuation that just because you didn't see it, it didn't happen. That's pretty ordinary IMO.

Started next to him in the centre square in the first half.  Came off and on at the same time.  There was definitely some sort of tag there in the first half.  In the second half we went more attacking at the stoppages.  Love Goodwin!.

[Demons11 6,404]

2 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

I'm sure I'll be potted again but Dom Tyson for me just isn't cutting it.

He is racking up ball, but if you compare the type of possessions he is gaining and the quality and meaningfulness of his disposals vs others in our side, you'll see that he's simply not damaging enough. He was fumbly, caught out on the counter due to his pace and he genuinely could have lost us the game when he had the free kick and kicked long directly to three collingwood players. (Hibberd's desperate diving spoil saved a mark coming back in which resulted in Jack's winning goal).

Along with his lack of positional versatility, I can see him being squeezed out against a speedy dogs side on a fast deck.

I'm hoping Gawn's fit and can rotate forward with Pedo to cause some headaches for an undersized dog's defence. I'd also like to see Trac play deep forward in patches next week.

Ins: Gawn, JKH and Stretch

Outs: O-Mac, Tyson and ANB

On notice: Harmes, Lewis, Melksham and Frost

 

Let's just pick 3 names to drop for no reason and you are placing Lewis and Frost on notice???  Lewis had a quiet game on the weekend but was one of the main reasons we beat GC 2 weeks ago.  Frost has been taking the best forward every week and beating them.  

JKH is not up to it and Stretch hasn't been setting the world on fire at VFL level.  

[In Harmes Way 7,541]

56 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

From watching the replay I'm not sure Melksham spent much time with Pendlebury.

One thing about Melksham is he is a terrible tackler, rarely do his tackles seem to stick.

He's not much good at punching either - didn't get near Darcy Moore's overhead mark in the third. 

Congrats by the way to you and Mrs Bizkit on the birth of Clint Jnr. 

[monoccular 16,120]

9 hours ago, Demons11 said:

I'm not a massive Bugg fan but he has to play in front of JKH.  JKH is so uncompetitive. 

Was going to click the "like" button, as I agree with you; but I don't like it that JKH is not competitive enough.  He has been a bit of a favorite of mine but I now think he may not make the grade  

And Bugg after watching the replay actually did a lot more than I though watching it live  -  anyone have the stats for goal assists and goal involvements?  But I agree that he really needs to work hard on his set shots. 

Edited June 14, 2017 by monoccular

[What 18,810]

Doubt Gawn or Spencer play this week.

The Dogs dont have a ruckman.  Their highest hitout winner last round was Tim English with just 8.  Pedders can be the main man for one more week.... then Gawny in to face West Coast.