POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 9

[jnrmac 20,040]

OMac and Weid have to go. They are only getting games because of their height. We are playing 2 men down with those 2 in the side.

Kent is an absolute downhill skier. Whenever we get beaten he is down at the bottom of the stats.

The umps were an absolute disgrace. Bernie got punched with a clenched fist to the gut and the ump was 5m away. No free or report. We got 10 frees in a whole game of footy that was as fierce as you will see, They should all be sacked,

 

[rjay 24,779]

36 minutes ago, A F said:

Goodwin was thoroughly outcoached today and the coaches box simply had no answers, but the players made his job pretty difficult when they refused to bring any work rate.

This is easy to say 'AF', but what could he have done differently and in what way was he out coached?

I thought our celebrated mids were average today, they've done a good job of roving to opposition ruckmen but North have a pretty tough inside crew as well and they got the armchair ride from Goldy.

What could Goody do here? he rotated a lot through the middle and had a number against Goody but 193cm is not going to beat up on a 200cm AA ruck.

We had passengers on the forward line, he moved Hunt in there and shifted others around.

The moves didn't come off this week, almost did and if they did he would be a genius again.

No, he wasn't thoroughly out coached, we were out played and still have a ways to go until we have the list that will win finals.

Having our 2 most important players, at least structurally, out doesn't help.

[Willmoy1947 4,067]

1 minute ago, Biffen said:

I just wrote to the AFLUA.

Gave Nichols a spray.

I encourage you all to do the same.

Thought i read Cunnington's lips saying to Petracca at 3Qtr time about what have Melbourne done to this White ant to get such a raw deal, and Petracca said about how this number 15 is so unpleasant he was thinking about joining the KKC because he thought they must be friendly....

[rjay 24,779]

40 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

They tagged Oliver and we were  unprepared for it. With Vince tagging Higgins we only had one effective mid, and Goldstien just kept hitting to their free   Midfielder.

North also tackled ferociously all day and were clearly on a mission.

We looked tired after last weeks mammoth effort and our lack of height and outside run were telling.

Also a real shame the umpires weren't at the standard today 

No, they didn't tag Oliver.

They just got the better of the midfield battle to day.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 minute ago, rjay said:

This is easy to say 'AF', but what could he have done differently and in what way was he out coached?

I thought our celebrated mids were average today, they've done a good job of roving to opposition ruckmen but North have a pretty tough inside crew as well and they got the armchair ride from Goldy.

What could Goody do here? he rotated a lot through the middle and had a number against Goody but 193cm is not going to beat up on a 200cm AA ruck.

We had passengers on the forward line, he moved Hunt in there and shifted others around.

The moves didn't come off this week, almost did and if they did he would be a genius again.

No, he wasn't thoroughly out coached, we were out played and still have a ways to go until we have the list that will win finals.

Having our 2 most important players, at least structurally, out doesn't help.

Really well said, rjay.  Goodwin is doing all he can - he even shifted McDonald into the ruck to start the last term and was happy to swing some changes when he felt it was required.

Goodwin, as you said, wasn't outcoached.  We were outplayed and there is a big difference.

[The heart beats true 18,076]

3 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Um I think brown jkh over Brown is worth noting, Yea Hunts great but the poster has a worthy point.

Ok, so maybe I missed the point? That we need a lead up full forward? We have one of those and I'd take him over Brown everyday.  Prior to the draft Brown was seen as a ruckman and we had Gawn and Spencer in that bucket too.

Or was his point that literally every other club let Brown go too because there was concerns over how much work was required to get him to AFL standard as a mature age big man?

Hindsight is 20/20, but you have to be a genius passed pick 40 in any draft.

[DeeZee 7,361]

1 minute ago, rjay said:

No, they didn't tag Oliver.

They just got the better of the midfield battle to day.

They sure made sure his run at the ball was impeded even though it wasn't a traditional one on one tag, but more a team directive 

[Adam The God 29,943]

1 hour ago, Watts the matter said:

How can you come to this conclusion?

I can recall 6 attempts at goal for a return of 4 behinds. He was horrific.

3 of his attempts I can recall were 20m out pretty much directly in front.

I'm glad he's a fringer, because he's the biggest down hill skier you'd ever see.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

I thought Buggy was alright today as well.  He gets himself in good positions, as evidenced by his four shots on goal, and if he's more accurate then it's a great game, not just a good one.  His accuracy hurt us, but at least he was giving us something at that end when many others weren't.

And I know it's been said many times, but Michael Hibberd has just been super for us since he's come into the side.  Exceeding all expectations so far.

[Jaded No More 68,827]

1 hour ago, Watts Jurrah Dunn? said:

Vince doesn't get frees because the umpires know he's the boy that cried wolf.  Throws his head back and drops to the ground whenever someone touches him, so of course he's not going to get the ones he deserves. Get over it. We have bigger problems. 

He got punched in the stomach and went off vomiting. In the outside world that's assault. 

No matter which way you look at it, it's a free kick and a suspension. 

[beelzebub 23,306]

Why do we persist with a zone defence late in games when the tide is against you.

We gave them the space to drop into and create opportunities. 

What is WRONG with manning up at times and shutting players down ?

Any team that can switch back and forth will have the tempo of a game in THEIR control.

Seldom do we control games.

[loges 6,767]

2 minutes ago, A F said:

3 of his attempts I can recall were 20m out pretty much directly in front.

I'm glad he's a fringer, because he's the biggest down hill skier you'd ever see.

Surely you mean his kicking was horrific, many forwards wouldn't achieve 6 shots on goal.

[frankie_d 1,471]

13 minutes ago, chookrat said:

Watts was fine, he showed poise forward of centre but the North backs dictated terms v our forwards for much of the game.

Ah no he wasn't. Today required intensity 

[The heart beats true 18,076]

Just now, Wiseblood said:

Michael Hibberd has just been super for us since he's come into the side.  Exceeding all expectations so far.

We got Hibberd 100% right and he's been outstanding. 

Melksham and Lewis I'm really on the fence about. We need them both to step up over the next 2 months when mature bodies really come to the fore and the kids get tired.

[John Crow Batty 8,852]

5 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Why do we persist with a zone defence late in games when the tide is against you.

We gave them the space to drop into and create opportunities. 

What is WRONG with manning up at times and shutting players down ?

Any team that can switch back and forth will have the tempo of a game in THEIR control.

Seldom do we control games.

What Garry Lyon said after the Hawthorn game is so on the money. We let this bottom feeder club sprint ahead, chase them down till nearly level, let them sprint ahead again, chase them down again to level and then let them sprint away again. Serious, serious attitude problem that won't go away.

Edited May 21, 2017 by america de cali

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, The heart beats true said:

We got Hibberd 100% right and he's been outstanding. 

Melksham and Lewis I'm really on the fence about. We need them both to step up over the next 2 months when mature bodies really come to the fore and the kids get tired.

Melksham I agree with, but I'm more on the positive side with Lewis.  Thought he was better today and kicked a real leader's goal in the last that we didn't capitalize on.  But he still needs to get better.

[4JacksandaKing 52]

2 hours ago, Biffen said:

The bald umpire- number 15.

He's on my list.

He always gives us a bad run

 

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

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[rjay 24,779]

1 minute ago, america de cali said:

What Garry Lyon said after the Hawthorn game is so on the money. We let this bottom feeder club sprint ahead, chase them down till nearly level, let them sprint ahead again, chase them down again to level and then let them sprint away again. Serious, serious problem.

No it wasn't.

I think the Adelaide win papered over a few cracks.

We're not good enough with Hoges and Max out to win consistently. Simple.

...and even with them in out list is not well balanced. It's getting there but still has a ways to go.

I'm sure the FD know this (we're not Richmond...please) and will address things over the next year or 2...

[leave it to deever 17,506]

14 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

Ok, so maybe I missed the point? That we need a lead up full forward? We have one of those and I'd take him over Brown everyday.  Prior to the draft Brown was seen as a ruckman and we had Gawn and Spencer in that bucket too.

Or was his point that literally every other club let Brown go too because there was concerns over how much work was required to get him to AFL standard as a mature age big man?

Hindsight is 20/20, but you have to be a genius passed pick 40 in any draft.

Fair point. To me it was a double wammy as Brown always kills us and Im not a great jkh fan.Other than that we have done some awesome recruiting that needs to be tweaked as Im sure it will.

[John Crow Batty 8,852]

1 minute ago, rjay said:

No it wasn't.

I think the Adelaide win papered over a few cracks.

We're not good enough with Hoges and Max out to win consistently. Simple.

...and even with them in out list is not well balanced. It's getting there but still has a ways to go.

I'm sure the FD know this (we're not Richmond...please) and will address things over the next year or 2...

Disagree, same shyte we dished up last season against mediocres  also with Gawn and Hogan playing BTW.

Edited May 21, 2017 by america de cali

[Soidee 1,496]

32 minutes ago, deestar said:

Nichols ... he always saves his best for us. Genuinely think he has something against us and im

Not even joking, have thought it for years

Rarely do I have a crack at umpires for our boggy performances, however Nichols today should be called out as pathetic and utterly error ridden.  Actually he  was worse than that and his bald head should be forced into a bucket of warm horse poo.

[dazzledavey36 54,027]

19 minutes ago, chookrat said:

Watts was fine, he showed poise forward of centre but the North backs dictated terms v our forwards for much of the game.

No Watts was rubbish

Squibbed alot of contests and refuses to stick his arms out to mark the ball. I watch Darcy Moore play who is skinnier then Watts and he crashes packs and flys for the ball at all costs with his arms out in front. Watts just refuses to do any of this and hes a 145 game veteran.

[deebug 1,754]

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

That cue ball umpire has gotta be a Norf supporter, right?

Yep!

[Coq au vin 755]

We need to recruit several bigger, taller, faster, more skilled players. We have been recruiting skinny, slow, small players for 20 years.