The Most Un-Awesome Post Match Thread Ever

[DemonOX 8,791]

Nice way to thank Paul Roos boys. 

Well done and u should all be very proud!

[Watts Jurrah Dunn? 735]

We won't be any good consistently until Gawn, Viney, Hogan, Petracca, Oliver are in their prime and 25-28 years old. When Vince and Jones aren't having an impact there is no one there to pick up the slack in that 23-27 bracket. Tyson, Bugg, Watts just can't be relied upon. Jetta and McDonald try hard but have their limitations. 

I have absolutely no doubt that this side will find a way not to play finals again next year.

Hopefully today will be a wake up call for more brutal list changes this offseason. 

 

[Samael 560]

7 minutes ago, ENYAW said:

The only reason why we picked ANb and Minchie was too boost there attraction to other club,no one is going to fall for that crap. Weed not ready yet hence a waste of selection.Very very disappointing to beat Hawthorn then lose to Carlton. Is what we can expect in the future. [censored] we are sh.t

He was never in the trade talks who ever he is.

[olisik 4,060]

1 minute ago, A F said:

They were first to the ball all day and the majority of free kicks they got, I thought were there. Most of them came of the back of heinous errors by MFC players.

Oh and realistically, we might have had more uncontested possessions (due to overuse), but they absolutely spanked us in the centre clearances. Is their dominance some kind of record? We were never in it. Cripps lead the ground for clearances by quite away and then Gibbs was second.

The more I think about it, the more I think Jones played one of the worst games from a captain I can recall. In a big game, with everything to play for. He fumbled, overused, put team mates under pressure and when we needed him to kick the captain's goal, he couldn't get the job done.

His play exemplified our entire team. This is a guy who has played in finals and is the captain of the club, yet he seemed to choke in a way that would belie his experience.

Reason why my thread questioning Jones as captain in 2017 and beyond being shut down was poor form by the mods here. 

[Buzzy 992]

We got SMASHED in the middle by a team that didn't even have Murphy playing.

We second guessed ourselves and looked mentally fragile - missing easy shots which just compounded it.

We predictably over-possessed it in the wet.  No Plan B.  Constantly hacked it inside 50 like earlier in the year.

Yuck.

[Samael 560]

2 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Not surprised. 

I think Roos was overruled at the selection match committee, again!

Earlier this year (can't remember which game) he flagged a 3-4 changes to bring in fresh players and we made only one change (then we lost).  At the time I posted that I thought the selection committee had won out.  This week he flagged that if Garlett wasn't fit Salem would play...not even an emergency.  Roos is very astute - he doesn't flag team changes if he doesn't have a good reason for wanting the change.  There is a limit to how much control Roos can exercise.  I think Goodwin is making selection decisions with a view to 2017; 2016 is of no interest to him. 

Roos would have tightened up our defence today.  Maybe Goodwin is experimenting with 'attacking football' and they have yet to find the balance between the Roos' defence first' and the Goodwin 'attack at all costs' approach.

Hope they sort that out, fast!!  We snookered ourselves today.

The three ins knew on Tuesday, so I don't think he was over-ruled, probably just too furious to talk to them. 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

8 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I agree, and I also agree with PD in terms of getting carried away with VFL form, but I do feel slightly sorry for Nibbler.  He is played as a pure midfielder for Casey, and when he gets promoted he spends the majority of the time forward.  It's not easy to make that transition.

Disagree, spends a fair % of time i50 and occasionally hits the scoreboard. Hasn't been able to take the step up so far this year. That was proven prior to today and today wasn't the day to make that risky selection in a must win game at this end of the season. Michie the same. Weids a shocking in for an experienced Pedo (not Weid's fault) . Poor selection and strategy by Roos & the FD. The recipe for the loss started right here IMO, giving the Blues a sniff at the selection table ie., "Hey look at these "'Ins' and 'Outs'... IF we get our match ups right we're a show here"!

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Edited August 21, 2016 by Rusty Nails

[Jaded No More 68,891]

4 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Hogan obviously needs to work on his kicking, but he was terrific in the wet today. 

Watts was hopeless and missed a sitter, yet flogs want to complain about Hogan's 14 mark performance. 

Dimwits

Yes he takes good marks, but how good is Tyson getting 30 touches and turning 20 of them over?

Hogan has one job. He needs to kick goals. He lets his teammates down over and over again, and honestly it's a massive concern. 

As for Watts, you can pot him for a lot of things but kicking isn't one of them. Yes he missed a sitter but I rather the ball in his hands from 50m on an angle then Hogan directly in front 20m out. Says something. 

[chook fowler 19,458]

How good are these journalists - some dude called Ben Guthrie didn't name Jetta or the 2 Macs in our best players. Gave it all to the midfielders who were trashed. Idiot.

[Gator 17,332]

13 minutes ago, Samael said:

Definitely. But tell me what was so poor about his game as opposed to Brayshaw, Oliver, Hunt, Bugg, Watts, Stretch, Kent? He had SFA in turnovers, Petracca had 1 more disposal out of the middle and went at 48% DE. Viv got 20 possessions at 90% beaten only by Watts at 92% from 14. To read comments on this site you would think he lost the game on his own.

Michie does everything in slow motion.  Unless he has time and space, which is often not the case at AFL level, he's useless.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,817]

28 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Simply gutted.

I think I should have followed your advice and switched off at half time, because just about all I got from that second half was pure frustration.

[P-man 13,366]

Michie actually did a couple of nice things under pressure with 20 possessions at 90% DE. Was he great? No. But he earned his chance and certainly wasn't the worst player out there today. The reality however is that he needs to be better to keep his spot given his fringe status.

Dropping Pedo was a mistake and a player more suited to a forward role in Kennedy would've been better than ANB in hindsight. Anything beyond that is basically just scapegoating. This was a poor team effort.

[Adam The God 30,218]

4 minutes ago, Watts Jurrah Dunn? said:

We won't be any good consistently until Gawn, Viney, Hogan, Petracca, Oliver are in their prime and 25-28 years old. When Vince and Jones aren't having an impact there is no one there to pick up the slack in that 23-27 bracket. Tyson, Bugg, Watts just can't be relied upon. Jetta and McDonald try hard but have their limitations. 

I have absolutely no doubt that this side will find a way not to play finals again next year.

Hopefully today will be a wake up call for more brutal list changes this offseason. 

 

Pretty harsh on Tyson, who kept running all day and picked up 30 possessions. Probably our best player.

[Jaded No More 68,891]

I still don't know why we dropped Harmes and Garlett for two of the slowest players on our list?

The mind boggles. 

[stuie 7,374]

12 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Hogan obviously needs to work on his kicking, but he was terrific in the wet today. 

Watts was hopeless and missed a sitter, yet flogs want to complain about Hogan's 14 mark performance. 

Dimwits

Watts missed 1 sitter, Hogan missed 3.

And to think you're the guy who bangs on about judging forwards by kicking goals.

Hogan also had 0 tackles. 0. In the wet.

 

[btdemon 482]

34 minutes ago, A F said:

Choke. Absolute choke.

Tyson, Hunt, Jetta, the McDonald's can hold their heads high and Hogan worked hard but kicked like a D grader.

That leaves the rest. Gawn had an absolute bath. Jones was terrible. Michie and ANB have no weapons for this level. Trade and delist both. Weideman was run off every time and was redundant. Vandenberg and Bugg are fringers. Horrible skills.

We were unclean, overused the ball and couldn't execute basic fundamentals of the sport.

I didn't want to be right but I've been telling my Carlton mate all year that they'd beat us in that game. We're just as likely to beat Geelong next week.

In hindsight, missing the finals this year isn't such a bad thing, because if they can't handle the pressure of beating a pitiful 16th placed Carlton side on the MCG to keep their finals hppes alive, they wouldn't have been able to handle the pressure of a final.

Tyson got 30 disposals. Hi many went to a target, or worse stil, resulted in Carlton goals. He waits, turns back into traffic and floats the kick to a contest or kicks directly to the opposition. He strikes me as having an overinflated opinion of his own ability to influence the game. I would like to see him take the first option sometimes and ffs, learn to kick!  A most selfish footballer sometimes

[P-man 13,366]

1 minute ago, Jaded said:

I still don't know why we dropped Harmes and Garlett for two of the slowest players on our list?

The mind boggles. 

I thought Garlett was injured, not dropped.

[Chook 15,012]

Repeat after me: "There's always next year."

[Deemented Are Go! 3,677]

Just now, stuie said:

Watts missed 1 sitter, Hogan missed 3.

And to think you're the guy who bangs on about judging forwards by kicking goals.

Hogan also had 0 tackles. 0. In the wet.

 

One thing I my stuck out for me in the last 1/4 where Hogan failed to lay a shepard on the wing during a 2 on 2 which resulted in a turnover. 

Not good enough. 

[DSP 1,488]

Must of been some cut that jeffy got on his leg. Would of loved him crumbing today.

[dl4e 5,851]

Our effort today doesn't surprise me in the slightest. We are still mentally weak which will be the hardest hurdle to overcome.

[Gator 17,332]

6 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Yes he takes good marks, but how good is Tyson getting 30 touches and turning 20 of them over?

Hogan has one job. He needs to kick goals. He lets his teammates down over and over again, and honestly it's a massive concern. 

As for Watts, you can pot him for a lot of things but kicking isn't one of them. Yes he missed a sitter but I rather the ball in his hands from 50m on an angle then Hogan directly in front 20m out. Says something. 

44.19 shows he can kick.

Clearly, yes clearly, he's in bad goal-kicking form.

But to ignore all aspects of a CHF's game is stupid.

[Adam The God 30,218]

24 minutes ago, Samael said:

Definitely. But tell me what was so poor about his game as opposed to Brayshaw, Oliver, Hunt, Bugg, Watts, Stretch, Kent? He had SFA in turnovers, Petracca had 1 more disposal out of the middle and went at 48% DE. Viv got 20 possessions at 90% beaten only by Watts at 92% from 14. To read comments on this site you would think he lost the game on his own.

I recall distinctly 2 horrendous turnovers from Viv and we all know the DE stat is useless. He's a better kick than Harmes, but he rarely takes the game on with his disposal and as PD says, does everything in slow motion. He like ANB, unfortunately, are not up to it.

Edited August 21, 2016 by A F

[stuie 7,374]

1 minute ago, Deemented Are Go! said:

One thing I my stuck out for me in the last 1/4 where Hogan failed to lay a shepard on the wing during a 2 on 2 which resulted in a turnover. 

Not good enough. 

He's gone I think. Mentally already checked out. Wasn't even raising his arms when standing the mark today, let alone chasing, tackling or shepherding.

 

[buck_nekkid 5,855]

Sheesh!  I think I was going to get reported at the G for antisocial behaviour!

in fact, our team should have been.

They were flat all day.  Smashed in the middle, smashed by the maggots, second to contests.  How many times did Carlton intercept mark in our 50?  Such poor entry into 50.

they had their first goal in 50 seconds and we hadn't even touched it!

when we did show up for about 10 minutes, we couldn't convert the pressure into scores.

We are a young side, and maybe after the last few weeks we were out of puff.  We are much better than we were, but this was a simply [censored] performance that was difficult to swallow.  When Jack Watts missed that sitter, it was obvious we were screwed.

Jesse needs to work on his kicking.  If he was 3.1 rather than 1.3, things are very different.

P1ssweak, demons.  Instead of heading into the off-season with people lining up for memberships, you have reminded them that we are pretenders.  A shameful day at the home of football.