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5 minutes ago, red and blue forever said:

yeah, i know, that is why i am conflicted... do you take he best mid in the league, or the best forward?

Fyfe could probably do a better job than Hoges did in 2016 playing full forward. It's how good Hogan might become in three or four years time. All things being equal he has another 10 years of footy left, We've all had a rough previous ten years, surely not the next ten as well watching him become a superstar playing for someone else. We've had one good year. And not Hawthorn good. Didn't even play finals. Got beaten by 100 points in our last game for the year. That was a good year for Melbourne fans!

And now this. Aaaaaagggghhhh!

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14 minutes ago, Tram 74 said:

Fyfe can do anything Hogan can do and be the best midfielder in the comp if he comes back from the breaks. I would swap them in a heartbeat. But only after an exhaustive medical, then on a long term deal.

Caro is reporting Fyfe to Victoria, doesn't say MFC.... Could be a 3 way deal, who knows??

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33 minutes ago, red and blue forever said:

yeah, i know, that is why i am conflicted... do you take he best mid in the league, or the best forward?

We don't even know if Hogan will be the best forward, just like we don't know if Fyfe will remain injury free and return to his best. One thing we do know is Fyfe was the best player in the league a year ago.

Best forward v Midfield 

Buddy Franklin or Patrick Dangerfield ?

Josh Kennedy or Josh Kennedy?

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6 minutes ago, Hell Bent said:

Caro is reporting Fyfe to Victoria, doesn't say MFC.... Could be a 3 way deal, who knows??

Is there a way Hawthorn could legitimately get Mitchell, O'Meara and Fyfe? 

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The only way Freo are shopping Fyfe is if they think he'll never get back to his best. We're talking about leg injuries here folks, and a player who is apparently heavily disliked by the rest of his team.

Trading a 20 year-old, potentially generational superstar key-forward for a player one year away from free agency status, who just missed an entire year of football due to constant leg issues, would probably be the dumbest conceivable trade.

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I believe Jesse is taking a big risk by putting off making a decision until sometime during next season . He could very easily suffer a season ending injury before he gets to make that decision , and then what ? He has had that back injury! 

I really hope he makes the right decision that's good for us , but it could all backfire on him ! Why take the risk !

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On 21 September 2016 at 7:41 AM, Flamingdees said:

Agree....

Jesse stated many months ago he  would look at another deal. 

He then placed all this on hold. 

Given the alleged family health situation, do you blame him?

Put yourself in his shoes. If it were me I'd put everything else on hold.

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21 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

We will never get Fyfe, not even worth wasting bandwidth discussing.

Probably never get Roos ......wait.....

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They will trade Fyfe in a heartbeat this year if they think he is off under free agency next year. Now and Hogan may be their only opportunity to get anything for him given the AFL has been considering removing compensation from the FA process. If he is disliked by the other players he may be ours and I for one would be rapt on the caveat his leg is ok.

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2 hours ago, TGR said:

Is Hogan a multi-dimensional mobile tall?  No.  Unlike Boyd, he can't play ruck.  Lynch at the Suns is a better grab, more mobile, and more reliable kick.  Hogan is good for his age, and super strong; but can he be as mobile or multi-positional say as a Roughead?  I don' think so.

 

Pidgeon-holed as a big forward.  Would have done well in the days of Lockett and Dunstall.

 

Lost it with me finally when he told VDB to PO at 3/4 time recently.  A sook and one-dimensional unreliable goal-kicker that we can get dividends for now.

Good God Ron.

Referencing Tom Boyd's ruck skills ?  They're ordinary.  But at least they get him a game.  Without them he's at Footscray.

Lynch is a better grab ?  Yes he is, but Hogan is in the best 5 marks in the competition.   You know, out of nearly 800 players.  WTF would you even go there.  At the same age Hogan was a better mark.

Lynch is more mobile ?  Bullcrap.  Hogan is more creative, faster and better at ground balls than Lynch.  Hogan is a far superior handballer than Lynch.

Hogan was also the better player at the same age.  Check the goals kicked after the same games played.

Some of you flogs don't deserve a talent like Hogan.

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58 minutes ago, Hell Bent said:

Caro is reporting Fyfe to Victoria, doesn't say MFC.... Could be a 3 way deal, who knows??

She literally said he could be involved in the Hogan trade.

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1 hour ago, TGR said:

Actually GTB, Hogan reminds me of Jono .........

To answer your question, probably not.  But Brown made up for it with A+'s in other areas I reckon.

 

 

Thanks for the reply. For what it's worth I get how you see Hogan's been pigeon holed as a big forward but I reckon it's a combination of a sub-par forward structure & my view that he's largely been played out of position.

I think with Hogan we have just seen the tip and the whole iceberg will look a lot like J. Brown. Which is why I want to keep him no matter what juicy draft picks are currently held by the WA clubs. There was a season where Brown played (and dominated) mainly on ball before the Bears thought they were better off with him returning to the forward line. I think Jesse has that capacity as well. Your Roughhead example is fair enough. He can play anywhere and has - sometimes through necessity, sometimes to reinvigorate his form and sometimes because they had an embarrassment of riches in their forward line. His less celebrated cousin who I think is an excellent KPD is currently doing a fantastic job in the ruck for the Doggies

Just out of interest, because you've been on this theme for many a long year now, can you give us some examples of the premier MDT's you rate over the last 10 years or so ?

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58 minutes ago, kurtneverdied said:

Hogan will sign this off-season after returning from Perth and this whole saga will be over I believe.

Lies 

What will demonland have to complain about then?

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3 hours ago, ProDee said:

Good God Ron.

Referencing Tom Boyd's ruck skills ?  They're ordinary.  But at least they get him a game.  Without them he's at Footscray.

Lynch is a better grab ?  Yes he is, but Hogan is in the best 5 marks in the competition.   You know, out of nearly 800 players.  WTF would you even go there.  At the same age Hogan was a better mark.

Lynch is more mobile ?  Bullcrap.  Hogan is more creative, faster and better at ground balls than Lynch.  Hogan is a far superior handballer than Lynch.

Hogan was also the better player at the same age.  Check the goals kicked after the same games played.

Some of you flogs don't deserve a talent like Hogan.

Lynch definitely has a better all round game at this stage. Features much more prominently is goal assists in addition to goals kicked in a inferior team. It appears you're really underselling him.

The second point everyone is aware of. The query many have with Hogan, including myself, is how much more upside he has. He doesn't have a huge leap and gets the majority of his goals from set shots. While his marking is very good, it remains to be seen how many other strings to his bow he has. 

At this stage there are major questions on his ground level game, kicking accuracy, kicking depth/range and defensive efforts.

The Jon Brown comparison is a good one, although I don't think anyone fears Jesse Hogan and his foot skills aren't as good. 

 

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8 hours ago, SaberFang said:

The only way Freo are shopping Fyfe is if they think he'll never get back to his best. We're talking about leg injuries here folks, and a player who is apparently heavily disliked by the rest of his team.

Trading a 20 year-old, potentially generational superstar key-forward for a player one year away from free agency status, who just missed an entire year of football due to constant leg issues, would probably be the dumbest conceivable trade.

If Fyfe was traded at the end of this season he doesn't become a free agent still in 2017. You have to serve 8 years with a club. Not 8 years in the game.

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1 hour ago, AngryAtCasey said:

If Fyfe was traded at the end of this season he doesn't become a free agent still in 2017. You have to serve 8 years with a club. Not 8 years in the game.

Agreed.

And the only reason for all this trade talk is that Jesse Hogan cannot seem to make up his mind about whether to commit to Melbourne for another 3 or 4 years. I think we all want Jesse Hogan to play his entire career with our Club, but because of the uncertainty he has created (and no-one wants to go through a Scully-Frawley scenario again), then we have to look at the best possible trade that may be available - and that trade is Fyfe for Hogan.

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5 hours ago, Watts the matter said:

Lynch definitely has a better all round game at this stage. Features much more prominently is goal assists in addition to goals kicked in a inferior team. It appears you're really underselling him.

The second point everyone is aware of. The query many have with Hogan, including myself, is how much more upside he has. He doesn't have a huge leap and gets the majority of his goals from set shots. While his marking is very good, it remains to be seen how many other strings to his bow he has. 

At this stage there are major questions on his ground level game, kicking accuracy, kicking depth/range and defensive efforts.

The Jon Brown comparison is a good one, although I don't think anyone fears Jesse Hogan and his foot skills aren't as good. 

 

I don't recall the likes of J Brown or even Carey being afflicted by the sulks early in their careers like Hogan. Their progress to superstardom was steadily linear from the beginning. Their application and work rate as well as loyalty was always a 100%. Leadership potential oozed. Physically they are all matching beasts. Upstairs, there is no comparison.

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6 hours ago, Watts the matter said:

Lynch definitely has a better all round game at this stage. Features much more prominently is goal assists in addition to goals kicked in a inferior team. It appears you're really underselling him.

The second point everyone is aware of. The query many have with Hogan, including myself, is how much more upside he has. He doesn't have a huge leap and gets the majority of his goals from set shots. While his marking is very good, it remains to be seen how many other strings to his bow he has. 

At this stage there are major questions on his ground level game, kicking accuracy, kicking depth/range and defensive efforts.

The Jon Brown comparison is a good one, although I don't think anyone fears Jesse Hogan and his foot skills aren't as good. 

 

I agree that he has a more rounded game, but what has that got to do with "mobility" ?

And quote where I'm "underselling" him.

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Fyfe for Hogan sounds like the best possible trade outcome, but I have serious concern over his injuries. Further to that, he's a WA boy so is the likelihood of him leaving actually very high? It's all just whispers at the moment.

This whole thing is a rollercoaster, but for some reason I have a growing feeling that Hogan will sign.

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If Fyfe is fit I doubt he would go back to his midfield role. He would make an awesome permanent CHF.  ATM a kind of variation of the chicken and egg problem. Potential stardom with issues versus made superstar with injury.

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