Seems many think only one condition is in effect here . There's a number but not always intended. Circumstances, unfortunately have coincided making matters more murky and convoluted.

Can'o'worms, not by design but by event.

Not to be inconsiderate, but life goes on, the game goes on and Jesse will, like it or not be asked a question. Life sucks sometimes. .....and it goes on, the game goes on.......

Edited September 21, 20168 yr by beelzebub

46 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Think Collingwood 4 years ago.

Think Travis Cloke 4 years ago.

Cloke was or about to turn 25 when he received his payday. Collingwood tried to lure Johnathon Brown down but failed, then When Clokes contract was up for renewal his dad played hardball a secured a five year deal worth (speculative from media) around 800k a year, today's equivalent of 1-1.2 million. Cloke had the bodywork and was arguably the greatest contested mark getting around, but there was a question mark on his kicking for goal. This year was his fourth year of that contract, dropped 3 times? Missed a goal from 5 metres out directly in front playing in the VFL, now the club which payed overs for him can't get him out the door quick enough. Yes they're different players but there are similarities, start missing easy shots, confidence drops then can start to affect other areas of your game. When a club is preparing to offer a player a 5-6 year deal potentially worth upwards of a million dollars a season you'd like to think that player is the complete package. Having said that Buddy struggles to take a contested mark and Danger (yes I'm aware he's not on a million) is no stranger to the occasional shank. 

 

 

 

Was Hogan ever a natural goalkicker/kicker of the ball? I recall him being far more accurate than this year, but it wouldn't surprise me if he was another one of those athletic kids that outgrew everyone and was recruited so high because he of his great marking and CHF attributes, and not because he could kick perfectly? 

I don't think it would be so big a loss if the kid spends the next 5 years goofily trying to kick straight at another club? If he could kick like Jack Watts he'd be worth throwing a massive deal in front of.

 

 

Edited September 21, 20168 yr by DominatrixTyson

4 hours ago, JackDeMan said:

Forget about Jesse Hogan. He is a forward who cannot be relied upon to kick the winning goal in a Grand Final, let alone any game for that matter.

I thought his second year was very disappointing, and if he does not know what he wants to do by now, then trade him.

Let's get on the front foot for a change and say, "If you cannot commit to us long-term now, then we will trade you".

Simon Goodwin has said publicly that his management have said they will work out a deal at the end of the season, and the end of the season is now.

So he has got a couple of weeks at best to re-sign for at least 3 years, otherwise he is pro-actively putting himself up for trade.

Trade him for Nat Fyfe (West Coast have nothing that is worth Jesse Hogan).

This is our big chance to sign up an A-Grade midfielder who is still in his prime (subject to broken leg repair).

The best legacy that Jesse Hogan can leave our Club with is Nat Fyfe.

Amazing stuff, and an enormous insult to Jesse Hogan, who might I add is currently a Melbourne player. 

Edited September 21, 20168 yr by Django

9 hours ago, juzzk1d said:

My ideal trade scenario:
OUT: Hogan
IN: McGovern + Darling

Is this unrealistic?

 

Better 

19 minutes ago, Ted Fidge said:

Ultimately I'm saying, I don't believe he will sign this off season. Setting us up for a year-long circus that will make the Scully situation look small time.

Our bargaining position next year will be worse than this year, so I'm saying let's go for it this year.

I have strong doubts that showing loyalty makes any difference to not showing it. The player managers are hard-@rses who wouldn't know the meaning of the word.

 

We can at this stage only deal with what we know.

1 Jesse hasn't asked to be traded - Bartlett and Goodwin

2 the Mfc won't trade him unless option 1 is enforced - his manager

I want him to sign now, but we're going to have to be mature here and ride this out.

Whats the longest thread on demo land.... Jesse may challenge it, as I can't see any resolution until 2017

 

 

Edited September 21, 20168 yr by Unleash Hell

5 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

 

Whats the longest thread on demo land.... Jesse may challenge it, as I can't see any resolution until 2017

 

 

Well it would have a fair way to go to challenge the No T$ thread, 717 more pages and 18000 more posts in fact.

 

Melb recieve Andrew Gaff, Peter Wright

WCE receive Jesse Hogan

GCS receive pick 12, 2017 Melb 2nd round, pick 44

16 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Well it would have a fair way to go to challenge the No T$ thread, 717 more pages and 18000 more posts in fact.

 

A thread far more lucid than this really 

19 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

Melb recieve Andrew Gaff, Peter Wright

WCE receive Jesse Hogan

GCS receive pick 12, 2017 Melb 2nd round, pick 44

Change that. GCS want players 

Melb receive Andrew Gaff/Jeremy McGovern, Peter Wright

WCE receive Jesse Hogan

GCS receive Pearce Hanley, pick 44

Brisbane receive pick 12

5 hours ago, DemonLad5 said:

Change that. GCS want players 

Melb receive Andrew Gaff/Jeremy McGovern, Peter Wright

WCE receive Jesse Hogan

GCS receive Pearce Hanley, pick 44

Brisbane receive pick 12

GC get dudded majorly

9 hours ago, DemonLad5 said:

Melb recieve Andrew Gaff, Peter Wright

WCE receive Jesse Hogan

GCS receive pick 12, 2017 Melb 2nd round, pick 44

GCS would want more big time. 

Would love Wright at the Dee's however. 

11 hours ago, willmoy said:

I reckon this is a gross,cold blooded post. My opinion. I am also at a point where i think the Mods should have a serious talk about containment of speculative personal content.I think we are all feeding the chooks and i think most options and opinions are exhausted.

Simon Goodwin at his press conference last week 13 mins in.

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/video/2016-09-14/media-conference-goodwin-announcement

"Jesse's management and the Club said they would look at it at the end of the year. We're now at the end of the year."

It is clear the new Senior Coach does not want this to drag on to next year, nor does a single Melbourne supporter I would suggest. So Jesse has to sign up very soon, or he risks Melbourne being proactive, accepting that he does not want to play with Melbourne long-term, and trading him, hopefully for Nat Fyfe. 

9 hours ago, DemonLad5 said:

Melb recieve Andrew Gaff, Peter Wright

WCE receive Jesse Hogan

GCS receive pick 12, 2017 Melb 2nd round, pick 44

So now we're giving up Hogan & two draft picks for Wright & Gaff????

1 hour ago, JackDeMan said:

Simon Goodwin at his press conference last week 13 mins in.

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/video/2016-09-14/media-conference-goodwin-announcement

"Jesse's management and the Club said they would look at it at the end of the year. We're now at the end of the year."

It is clear the new Senior Coach does not want this to drag on to next year, nor does a single Melbourne supporter I would suggest. So Jesse has to sign up very soon, or he risks Melbourne being proactive, accepting that he does not want to play with Melbourne long-term, and trading him, hopefully for Nat Fyfe. 

People on this forum continually berate this suggestion. We have a very deep, talented draft this year, and two teams willing to deal very valuable picks and players. 

It is the end of the year. He either signs an extension or we trade him. 

There is absolutely no reason for him not to sign an extension or agree to eventually sign an extension if his intentions are to stay.

1 hour ago, JackDeMan said:

Simon Goodwin at his press conference last week 13 mins in.

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/video/2016-09-14/media-conference-goodwin-announcement

"Jesse's management and the Club said they would look at it at the end of the year. We're now at the end of the year."

It is clear the new Senior Coach does not want this to drag on to next year, nor does a single Melbourne supporter I would suggest. So Jesse has to sign up very soon, or he risks Melbourne being proactive, accepting that he does not want to play with Melbourne long-term, and trading him, hopefully for Nat Fyfe. 

If you think coaches aren't disingenuous when answering questions from the media then you've got no idea. What Goodwin says in public means nothing. It's what's being said in private that matters.

1 minute ago, Members' Wing said:

If you think coaches aren't disingenuous when answering questions from the media then you've got no idea. What Goodwin says in public means nothing. It's what's being said in private that matters.

It's not like he's beating around the bush. He's being openly direct and firm. "It's now the end of the year."

In other words, "You said one thing, are you a man of your word?"

I think it was a firm yet subtle point directed at Hogan and his management.

14 minutes ago, praha said:

People on this forum continually berate this suggestion. We have a very deep, talented draft this year, and two teams willing to deal very valuable picks and players. 

It is the end of the year. He either signs an extension or we trade him. 

There is absolutely no reason for him not to sign an extension or agree to eventually sign an extension if his intentions are to stay.

I too would love for Hogan to sign an extension, but when you step back and think for a moment... Why should he. He negotiated an extension to his contract, he's signed until the end of 2017, it's unfair that we are putting so much heat on this player and none of the others on our list whose contract expires next year.

It's honestly hilarious that Fyfe's name is being thrown up as compensation.

He will never leave Freo.

Ever.

1 minute ago, stevethemanjordan said:

It's honestly hilarious that Fyfe's name is being thrown up as compensation.

He will never leave Freo.

Ever.

Ironically they're in a similar situation to us, he is refusing to commit to them in any real way publicly and fueling the fire himself, he's a free agent next year and they risk less compo if he leaves so the temptation to trade him this year would become real if they thought he was more likely going than staying lol

 

6 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

It's honestly hilarious that Fyfe's name is being thrown up as compensation.

He will never leave Freo.

Ever.

What on earth leads you to that conclusion?

 Given the public comments made by fyfe and lyon  - both of whom emphasise his desire for finala success - and the fact he becomes a rfa i would say he is more likely to leave tban stay at the end of 2017.

11 hours ago, DemonLad5 said:

Melb recieve Andrew Gaff, Peter Wright

WCE receive Jesse Hogan

GCS receive pick 12, 2017 Melb 2nd round, pick 44

Are you quoting this scenario for next year or the year after when his contract runs out??

14 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I too would love for Hogan to sign an extension, but when you step back and think for a moment... Why should he. He negotiated an extension to his contract, he's signed until the end of 2017, it's unfair that we are putting so much heat on this player and none of the others on our list whose contract expires next year.

But have we offered contracts to any of the other players out of contract at the end of 2017? Certainly none which equate to 10% of the salary cap.

33 minutes ago, praha said:

 

It is the end of the year. He either signs an extension or we trade him. 

 

Again, it appears unlikely he will sign an exstension and we wont trade him this year (not even for a 'super deal' according his management company). 

So if this is the case i assume you think the fd making a mistake at best, incompetent at worst 

20 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

It's honestly hilarious that Fyfe's name is being thrown up as compensation.

He will never leave Freo.

Ever.

Odds are that he wouldn't leave them, seeing as he is a WA boy and has flourished under Lyon. But he'd have to be the asking price for Hogan IMO. If it comes to that, we play hard ball and go for Fyfe.

5 minutes ago, binman said:

Again, it appears unlikely he will sign an exstension and we wont trade him this year (not even for a 'super deal' according his management company). 

So if this is the case i assume you think the fd making a mistake at best, incompetent at worst 

Yep I agree with this line of thinking. Again I reckon we will be screwed over! Again and again! The agony never ends!!