Jack Watts - More Discussion (for those who haven't had enough)

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

I'm not a fan of Watts and it's fine to say that he isn't putting in the work, we should trade him etc.

But I think we should refrain from downright insulting our players, not sure there is anything to be gained from this thread

What's to be gained you ask? Somebody, anybody, even if it's a supporter on a forum needs to shine a light on the weak, lazy culture of our players that is epitomised by Jack Watts. If I was senior coach the whole side would be watching this as JW sat in the corner with a dunce's cap on. We need to demand better than this.

[Chook 14,511]

The first bit of footage is absolutely inexcusable. The second wasn't great, but it didn't smack of the same atrocious lack of desire as the first one.

Ship him off to wherever, and replace him with someone who has the will to win.

[Scipio 5,868]

What's to be gained you ask? Somebody, anybody, even if it's a supporter on a forum needs to shine a light on the weak, lazy culture of our players that is epitomised by Jack Watts. If I was senior coach the whole side would be watching this as JW sat in the corner with a dunce's cap on. We need to demand better than this.

It's just not really necessary now, everyone is aware that Watts' efforts are rubbish

[whatwhat say what 18,998]

that lack of effort on hill had me sitting up and applauding.

thought he'd cleared the space beautifully to allow his teammate to run straight through it.

he'll look terrific in purple.

[dee-luded 2,958]

Whats he meant to do there? Hill is extremely agile and Watts also had 2 players cut in front of him

his utmost.. try to care a bit, would be a starting point.

a flounder in a little rock pool.

[Die Hard Demon 1,152]

I was there on sunday, and it looked as if Watts' performance replicated his performance on the footy show thursday night. No passion, no fight & disinterested.

I think the writing is on the wall that he is definitely leaving at the end of the year.

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

What's to be gained you ask? Somebody, anybody, even if it's a supporter on a forum needs to shine a light on the weak, lazy culture of our players that is epitomised by Jack Watts. If I was senior coach the whole side would be watching this as JW sat in the corner with a dunce's cap on. We need to demand better than this.

C&B, assume you picked this up and listened to the commentary.

I am in no way defending Jack Watts as I thought he was below par yesterday, but a couple of points....on the second one, he was running back with the flight and palmed it backwards to Terlich, Terlich probably being afraid of taking the Freo player's legs out or being caught holding the ball did not dive at the ball, Hill reacted quicker and passed off to Ballantyne, so perhaps not wholly Watts' problem

As for the first one, HIll had two players tracking him apart form Watts, who both missed him, what would your reaction be if Watts had also gone to Hill and left the man inside who got the ball back, Jordie Mc was supposed to be marking him but got blocked, Matt Jones was coming across and Trengove from the other side so 4 Melb players let Hill score

All too easy to sit in the commentary box or behind a keyboard and pass judgement

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

Whats he meant to do there? Hill is extremely agile and Watts also had 2 players cut in front of him

Serious? He could have:

1. Gone and attacked the ball instead of being reactive and waiting for the opposition to get it first.

2. Pushed harder and corralled him with his 6'5 frame so he couldn't get past

3. Nail him with a massive tackle and at least dive to try and get him (like Trenners who ran from further away to at least try and add some pressure).

Don't give me the "whats he meant to do?" rot. That defeatist attitude is one of the reasons why we are in this god awful mess.

[Machsy 2,858]

What was Martin Flanagan's article about again?

Idiots making a lot of noise, signifying nothing?

Yep, pretty apt here.

[chookrat 3,776]

These are only a handful of JW's poor efforts and lack of will for the contest.

His behavior on the footy show illustrates why he has only 2 games left to make a statement on staying v leaving.

To bring his fan squad onto the footy show and engage in their homage. Sam Newman was right to question what he has ever done to ask questions of the club. In my opinion his only achievement so far is being selected number 1 draft pick. Jack Watts represents what is wrong with our club and can either play like his life depends in it for the next 2 games or never don the Red and Blue again.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

thanks mods for stashing the video in this thread where nobody will see it, glad i went to the trouble to upload it

[Dwight Schrute 16,793]

his attitude and actions on and off the field have been utterly disrespectful to the mfc and its supporters, we could have managed him better but he was a number 1draft pick, lauchie whitfield is a skinny lad and playing at AFL level so thats no excuse not to have a dig.

cya later jack.

[rpfc 27,476]

thanks mods for stashing the video in this thread where nobody will see it, glad i went to the trouble to upload it

If people want to find it they will. There is no need to have so many threads on the one topic.

The club should explore it options with regard to a trade but maintain the desire to re-sign him. We need to maintain our assets, we don't have too many.

[chookrat 3,776]

I'm not a fan of Watts and it's fine to say that he isn't putting in the work, we should trade him etc.

But I think we should refrain from downright insulting our players, not sure there is anything to be gained from this thread

We are insulting his performance not him as a person. JW is insulting his team, supporters and the MFC heritage through his weak performance and petulant behavior on The Footy Show last week.

In contrast Col Silvia, a free agent with currency in the market, declares he wants to help turn MFCs fortunes around and plays accordingly.

[wisedog 326]

I just did a bit of digging myself. I watched 'Jack Watts' First Goal' and couldn't help but notice that almost every Demon player featuring in this video is no longer at the club. Time will tell if Watts joins them.

[sue 8,434]

I know I'll get howled down for saying the following.

Part of the reason Watts doesn't seem to be trying is that he is smart enough to realise he will have no impact on the play at times no matter what he does. So he doesn't make pointless attempts to involve himself. Of course when he gets that judgement wrong he looks absolutely lazy.

Note I say 'Part of the reason" and "at times". I'm not excusing his overall attitude, just saying.

Edited August 19, 2013 by sue

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

If people want to find it they will. There is no need to have so many threads on the one topic.

and what is the danger/downside of extra threads, just utter mayhem I suppose

[beelzebub 22,225]

Whats he meant to do there? Hill is extremely agile and Watts also had 2 players cut in front of him

umm... one word.... TRY !!

[beelzebub 22,225]

I know I'll get howled down for saying the following.

Part of the reason Watts doesn't seem to be trying is that he is smart enough to realise he will have no impact on the play at times no matter what he does. So he doesn't make pointless attempts to involve himself. Of course when he gets that judgement wrong he looks absolutely lazy.

Note I say 'Part of the reason" and "at times". I'm not excusing his overall attitude, just saying.

With all due respect Sue youre advocating that Watts can pick Lotto number or read Tea leaves if hes able to so accurately foretell the immediate future. What that really smacks of is the DGAF's

Fair dinkum players will ALWAYS try even when seemingly futile for it tells not only his team mates that hes prepared to put in 100% but conveys the same to the opposition. During that game it would have been obvious to anyone within cooee of Watts ( as a Freo player ) that he ( JW ) wasnt really interested in a contest.

GAME OVER

[jabberwocky 2,301]

I just did a bit of digging myself. I watched 'Jack Watts' First Goal' and couldn't help but notice that almost every Demon player featuring in this video is no longer at the club. Time will tell if Watts joins them.

Look at where his eyes are when the ball hits the hands.

[titan_uranus 22,368]

This is how you work hard to apply defensive pressure in the backline

This is the effort you get for investing 5 years of support and hundreds of thousands of dollars into a number 1 draft pick

Dollars? Maybe. Five years of support? Not at this club.

Nonetheless, I see your point. Whilst the second part of that clip was pointless (Watts did nothing wrong), the first passage of play was indicative of what is wrong with Watts.

Whether or not you think you're going to catch him (and we all know he wouldn't have, it was Stephen Hill), you have to care and you have to put the hard work in. Especially when playing in defence. Pathetic effort.

[45HG 1,539]

If you think that chase is excusable you haven't seen Crameri's effort to (not even) run down Wells.

Dislike Essendon immensely but that was inspiring.

[Viney12 196]

What crap.

Watch how hard Spencer is running after two opponents, both far far quicker than him, and how Matt Jones chases after Hill despite it being a futile exercise at that point, while Watts stands and watches.

I saw Viney quite seriously frog jump into and over a pack to get the ball. I'm not expecting Watts to break his nose every week, but I expect basic effort, especially down the back when his laziness is directly costing us goals!

And yes, Hill is a great player and super quick. Guess what, Watts is quick too and could be a great player if it wasn't for his application and attitude.

Some of his lazy kicks yesterday screamed "I don't want to be here".

It's infurating when guys like Magner, who have 4% of his talent, work their arse off in the VFL, get 51 disposals, and don't get senior games because they don't have the potential of Watts. But realistically, rewarding Watts on potential, and his draft ranking has only hurt him and us.

He is cheating himself and his teammates. If I was Tom McDonland or Colin Garland I'd have lost my sh*t at him.

He should take note of Jordie's effort

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0juYA2aDN6Q

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

He should take note of Jordie's effort

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0juYA2aDN6Q

[jackaub 1,402]

I was at the G and Watched that period of play.Just pathetic Thats when there were boos of derision around me

Cant believ this guy wants to hold the club to ransom Jackie boy just go away!

Jonesbag if you were there and watched in real time he had plenty of options He just couldnt be bothered and thats how it looked !