Bombers scandal: charged, <redacted> and <infracted>

[monoccular 17,345]

Just makes the Dees at 10/1 to make finals a better bet.

Betting should be suspended, as the odds in a 17 team comp would be different.

Bugger - I hate a fixture with byes.

[hardtack 10,433]

I know a club thats coming in for a heavy landing !~!~!

Yeah, more like a V-1 Doodle Bug than a Lancaster.

[binman 42,118]

Just makes the Dees at 10/1 to make finals a better bet.

Yep. Great value and have already snapped it up.

[RalphiusMaximus 6,012]

I wonder how their sponsors will feel about this? Lots of bad press. Could the bombers be in for a year like the one we just had?

[dees189227 12,295]

Ha Ha how funny is it thats its essendon. Wonder what Tim Watson will have to say about it tomorrow on radio. The golden boy is in charge of a dodgy club. Hird I mean.

Is it the weapons fault.

Well venom denham speak out about that instead of us.

Happy days.

[bush demon 2,013]

I

Macbeth (on injections in the vault rumours):
We have no spur
To [censored] the sides of our
intent, but only
Vaulting ambition, which o'erleaps itself,
And falls on
th'other. . . .

Macbeth Act 1, scene 7.
25–28

[Guest José Mourinho]

Some rhetorical questions to consider...

IF the players have all had performance enhancing drugs put into their system, why no positive tests?

AND, could the AFL possibly suspend all those players? How could they NOT?

Would that leave Essendon unable to field a side?

Would the AFL remove the possibility of gaining premiership points, a la Storm penalties?

If so, would the AFL remove their first round pick in the 2013 draft, so that they don't receive pick 1?

IF, as Evans claimed, they aren't "performance enhancing", what is the issue? Why are they being investigated?

Could the substances technically be ILLICIT substances, for the purpose of enhancing performance?

As I was just discussing with some friends just yesterday, a lot of "pre-workout supplements" these days contain synthetic substances very similar to speed. They get you juiced for a big workout, but you'll struggle to sleep that night, and whilst a lot are made illegal, new versions with slightly different synthetic additives are released at such a rapid rate the authorities struggle to keep up.

[dpositive 1,662]

If the players took supplements and signed documents with the full knowledge that they were sailing close to the wind, they should cop whatever penalties they are given if there are any at all. I'm not saying they are guilty but if they were aware of what they were doing they don't have much of a defence.

This is a bit more serious than fumbling the ball, or not playing a 17 year old, skinny recruit.

I agree. But mighty big IF.

I should have said as much as I dislike Essendon istill would want an improved process to that undertaken against and endured by MFC.

[Guest José Mourinho]

Funny to see the 'land forum homepage advertising "WICKED Supplements"!

Go Injectiondon!

[stingrays 24]

Don't know what the supplement was; obviously more than multivitamin doses. Having players sign waivers is also a worry.

I think if I was an Essendon player I'd be a bit concerned about my long term health.

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

Go Injectiondon!

Was I the only one who thought IT'S MORPHIN TIME?

No?

Where's YDE when you need him?

[hardtack 10,433]

IF the players have all had performance enhancing drugs put into their system, why no positive tests?

Could the substances technically be ILLICIT substances, for the purpose of enhancing performance?

Are masking agents still an issue in sport and if so, could that be the cause of the investigation?

[Cards13 9,117]

So who does drug testing for the AFL the AFL or ASADA? I assume no positive tests occurred so would assume no issue? Or am I completely off base?

[daisycutter 29,429]

Some rhetorical questions to consider...

IF the players have all had performance enhancing drugs put into their system, why no positive tests?

AND, could the AFL possibly suspend all those players? How could they NOT?

Would that leave Essendon unable to field a side?

Would the AFL remove the possibility of gaining premiership points, a la Storm penalties?

If so, would the AFL remove their first round pick in the 2013 draft, so that they don't receive pick 1?

IF, as Evans claimed, they aren't "performance enhancing", what is the issue? Why are they being investigated?

Could the substances technically be ILLICIT substances, for the purpose of enhancing performance?

As I was just discussing with some friends just yesterday, a lot of "pre-workout supplements" these days contain synthetic substances very similar to speed. They get you juiced for a big workout, but you'll struggle to sleep that night, and whilst a lot are made illegal, new versions with slightly different synthetic additives are released at such a rapid rate the authorities struggle to keep up.

it was said these supplements contained "peptides" which is a precursor to human growth hormone. both are banned performance substances.

players made comment about being "close to the limit". this suggests that maybe they were low doses which might fall below the testing minimums

this is just rumour/conjecture

[McQueen 17,864]

The only thing that will beat this story so far is the total abolition of tanking allegations against the MFC.

Until that happens, today is right up there...

[Sir Why You Little 36,737]

Hird & Thompson must have known this was going on.

They must have had a full run down of what the fitness dept were doing.

Edited February 5, 2013 by why you little

[Guest José Mourinho]

I think from legal standpoint, the club may have covered its arse somewhat, but I don't think the AFL would turn a blind eye to the club's part in all of this just because the players signed a waiver for something the club doctors/ sports scientists told them was ok.

However, having to sign a waiver should be so out of place for something that could do no harm, that despite the doctor's assurances, it should have been ringing serious alarm bells for the players.

Hence why it has probably come out now.

And for a waiver to be drawn up, surely the club's legal team and/or administration would have to be involved in some way?

I severely doubt this is something Dank did himself on his dell and then punched it out of his inkjet printer at home.

Finally, Lance Armstrong.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

By the reports the AFL got involved at the request of Essendon management (if you believe it)

Mind you they may have just been trying to get in first because it was about to break

Thats good.

If the AFL has created a culture that Clubs are transparent about their dealings then this is a positive.

And you are right about wanting to get in first.

Although the AFL went soft on Adelaide, their effort to come clean first time around was a disaster.

[DEELIGHTED 16]

Im not sure if its been mentioned but has not yet banned in AUS, however as it has been banned by the world governing body. Im not sure how that works but will be interesting.

[jnrmac 19,931]

Some rhetorical questions to consider...

IF the players have all had performance enhancing drugs put into their system, why no positive tests?

AND, could the AFL possibly suspend all those players? How could they NOT?

Would that leave Essendon unable to field a side?

Would the AFL remove the possibility of gaining premiership points, a la Storm penalties?

If so, would the AFL remove their first round pick in the 2013 draft, so that they don't receive pick 1?

IF, as Evans claimed, they aren't "performance enhancing", what is the issue? Why are they being investigated?

Could the substances technically be ILLICIT substances, for the purpose of enhancing performance?

As I was just discussing with some friends just yesterday, a lot of "pre-workout supplements" these days contain synthetic substances very similar to speed. They get you juiced for a big workout, but you'll struggle to sleep that night, and whilst a lot are made illegal, new versions with slightly different synthetic additives are released at such a rapid rate the authorities struggle to keep up.

On the money. Makes a mockery of the policy.

[Cards13 9,117]

On the money. Makes a mockery of the policy.

It's a bit like deer antler suppliments in the NFL. Some kind of banned growth hormone yet the NFL does not currently "have a test" for the banned substance?! What the?

[PJ_12345 1,098]

Essendon's moto on their homepage:

"WHATEVER IT TAKES"

Ahhh I love the smell of irony in the morning

http://www.essendonfc.com.au/

http://statigr.am/p/307488573836377806_21625142

Edited February 5, 2013 by PJ_12345

[rpfc 28,075]

Interesting article...

http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/articles/2011/10/14/don-t-push-bomber-he-s-close-to-the-edge/

"Meanwhile, Thompson says the Bombers need to get back in the gym over summer if they want to match reigning AFL premiers Geelong next season...

Thompson and senior coach James Hird drove the Bombers through a rigorous pre-season training regime last summer and Thompson says the players can expect more gruelling sessions in the build-up to the 2012 season.

"We will do that again this year. We'll keep pushing until we get them big and strong and fit enough to play complete games of footy against the best teams," Thompson said on Friday.

"More volume, more intensity, more weights, more education, more skills, more everything.""

[PJ_12345 1,098]

Looks legit

[Dee Fan 3,247]

I think from legal standpoint, the club may have covered its arse somewhat, but I don't think the AFL would turn a blind eye to the club's part in all of this just because the players signed a waiver for something the club doctors/ sports scientists told them was ok.

However, having to sign a waiver should be so out of place for something that could do no harm, that despite the doctor's assurances, it should have been ringing serious alarm bells for the players.

Hence why it has probably come out now.

And for a waiver to be drawn up, surely the club's legal team and/or administration would have to be involved in some way?

I severely doubt this is something Dank did himself on his dell and then punched it out of his inkjet printer at home.

Finally, Lance Armstrong.

What surprises me more is that not one player raised his concerns with James or Bomba, surely if they were asked to sign a waiver they would have had to think it wasn't completely above board.