Latest murmurings of a crazy time

[Tolstoys Nudge 1,680]

UPDATE:

Dawes Deal finally completed this afternoon, expect many chips to now fall including Pederson & potential other club deals will flow freely tomorrow

Dawes & Lick 58 to Demons

Pick 20 & 45 to Pies

Other updates (coded - Hot, Luke warm, scuttlebutt)

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- Pick 58 may be sent to Roos for Cam Pederson (Rivers compo pick may be offered however Roos may not want to wait for announcement its holding up Macintosh Deal (H)

- Jared Rivers has told the club he will join Cats once offer sheet comes through (H)

- Demons inquire what Dockers are seeking for Broughton (H)

- Farren Ray still in picture after Saints can secure M.Brown from Eagles, may look to Stef Martin for swap with Farren unless other cards fall. Expect update once Cripps deal done (H)

- Neeld may get his dream Fwd lineup as Gumbleton to either Dockers, Dogs or Demons (H)

- Martin & Gysberts both linked to a complex deal involving 4 teams, more to come on this one as details are sketchy at this stage however it's believed to involve Bombers, Demons, GWS & 1-2 other clubs

- 4/5 Clubs have met with Demons to feel out offers for Stef Martin, Demons holding out for word on Ray and above deal to become clearer (H)

- Melbourne putting in yards to convince Geelong to part with George Burbury or Jonathan Simpkin

Both are Rookie listed & Demons rate them VERY highly (H)

- James Strauss has been put on table as potential lure for players with outside speed, after some inquiries early on from Hawks & Pies were initially rejected (SB)

- Dylan Roberton's management has mentioned Demons have been in contact (LW)

- WCE have met with Cale Morton's Management, Bombers & Swans also showing mild interest (LW)

- Jordan Russell has met with 3 VIC clubs & it's clear he will receive an opportunity, Dees seen to hold him as a reserve option if unable to secure another experienced utility type

- Matthew Bate back on Bulldogs menu, Lions & GC also keen & potential packaged deal for Ben Jacobs with PA also gaining momentum late today (LW)

- Jesse White an interesting topic as it seems Dogs may prefer him to Gumbleton opening door for Demons & Dockers to battle it out should he decide to leave. Neeld not keen on White due to perceived "Lazy" training & prep habits (LW)

- Demons have no interest in M.Campbell after seeking word on C.Garlett earlier in Trade Period (LW)

- Melbourne have been ruled out of any deal involving Andy Otten (H)

- Dees, Swans & Hawks have reportedly entertained the idea of speaking with Dan Connors about a rookie list opportunity, although reports are its long odds at this stage (SB)

- Proposed Lucas Cook straight swap with Roos for Garlett and/or Part of Pederson deal now seems unlikely as Lachie Hansen agrees to stay at NM (LW)

- Lions & Dockers have reportedly minor interest only as it looks Lucas may be delisted & have to settle for a rookie spot at best (LW)

- Ricky Petterd may be traded for a pick in range of 35-45 with up to 6 teams declaring some level of interest, may come done to fitness tests (LW)

Believe it or not, barely half the info floating around atm, by far most hectic & openly negotiated trade period in AFL history - Well done AFL for insult getting time frame & addition of FA right to ensure players & teams can finally look to improve their list & find new opportunities! Much more to come when I get some time to digest all the numerous reports, since Dawes deal & Mcintosh deal have been agreed upon, the flood gates are well & truly alive!

PS - Mark Neeld, the man walks what he talks - Well done Dees!

HOT (more likely)

Picks 3 & 13 to GWS for Jesse Hogan & Pick 20

Stefan Martin to Saints (Dogs, Pies, GC also keen in which any pick they send would likely be on traded to saints) for Farren Ray

4th round pick to North Melbourne for Cam Pederson (may be part of bigger deal)

Pick 20 to Collingwood for Chris Dawes (likely to include swaps of later picks also)

Brent Moloney to Lions as FA

Luke Warm:

Ben Warren to demons via trade or PSD

Cale Morton to WCE for Koby Stevens or to Bombers for David Myers

Stefan Martin to pies for Sharrod Wellingham (unlikely due to SW reluctance to stay in VIc)

Jared Rivers to Geelong (luke warm now as Cats eyeing Delaney & Jacobs thus have no solid offer to Riv as yet)

Ricky Petterd to Collingwood/GC for mid range pick

Adelaide making a play to demons for Jordie Mckenzie which will most likely go nowhere

Lucas Cook to Bulldogs for Christian Howard (mooted about late today)

Neeld has rumoured to have met with the agent of blues Rookie Bell

Pick 4 to GC for Josh Caddy (very unlikely as Caddy hasnt met with Dees to date, Dees want live pick with 3 now gone to GWS)

Clinton Young to Demons via free agency (will depend on how hard Dees go once observing what other pins drop)

Docker Dylan Roberton has met with Demons as has teammate Jay Van Berlo

Jesse White's management have sought out demons for a chat, seen as potential Dawes contingency plan

Melbourne expected to meet with cut Swan Jared Moore & PA's David Rodan in coming days

Scuttlebutt:

- Semi-serious talk rumored to have taken place today from 3-4 different stories between dees/blues re: Kane Lucas & Jack Watts Word has it Demons played hands off approach with Watts, to which Blues responded with "fair enough". Tom Bell also discussed with blues still confident of retaining as a rookie

- WCE mildly keen on Cale Morton, with bombers & Blues also mentioned

- 2 Clubs still making inquiries for Garland, may be entertained if Rivers remains

- Lucas Cook has garnered only very light interest, with Saints & Dogs amusing offers

- Jamie Bennell has been discussed as potential swap to both WA clubs for a late round pick

- Demons to delist up to 11 players depending on trade period success: Macdonald, Bate, Bennell, Cook, Evans, Jetta, Batram, Petterd, Davis & more may go if trades cannot be facilitated with Jetta/Bartram considered to be 50-50 calls.

- Despite reports, Demons have no interest in Lachie Hansen or J Giles

- Melbourne looking to discuss potential of GC being open to trading Hall, also sussing out GWS' Rhys Cooyou

- David Armitage keeps popping up as yet another Demon target

WATCH THIS SPACE.. 2012 has begun at breakneck speed & a record amount of trades will be completed!

**Disclaimer - All data above is a collated mix from information I come across via many mediums in my corriders at my workspace, I only post things I hear from 2-4 different whispers & for those who dont yet, im sure most understand the AFL trade period is a crazxy time & with the window small only very few mentioned deals get completed.. even deals clubs agree on after days of intense talks can go un-done**

Edited October 16, 2012 by Whispering_Jack

[Dr. Gonzo 24,227]

Getting Pedersen and Dawes in addition to Hogan is madness. We need midfielders - one key forward (Hogan) should be the aim with the rest spent on midfielders.

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,654]

Thanks Nudge.

Hope that the Jetta rumours don't eventuate

[Forest Demon 4,681]

Good work Nudge. Even if none of these happen, I must admit I love this stuff.

[Deestroy All 14,266]

Excellent.

If Morton did go to WCE, watch him end up looking like Q Lynch after 1 pre-season.

[Tolstoys Nudge 1,680]

Getting Pedersen and Dawes in addition to Hogan is madness. We need midfielders - one key forward (Hogan) should be the aim with the rest spent on midfielders.

I am only guessing, however I beleive the intent would be Pederson as a utility to replace MArtin & extra cover for Rivers shoiuld be leave.

Also, Dees may target 15 KPP players, but obviously they are not going to sign them all, should they get lucky enough to lure mutiple, I assume they would simply choose by their ranking/priority list.

[Jaded No More 68,965]

Omg someone wants Bennell, Morton and Cook?

SELL NOW!!!

Thanks Nudge. Love your posts.

[olisik 4,060]

Any word on who we may draft with pick 4 Nudge?

Love your work, I think that 3 and 13 is overs for Hogan and 20 though :*(

[olisik 4,060]

Hope Evans remains, I have more hope in him then i do in Gysberts

[Redleg 40,948]

Hope Evans remains, I have more hope in him then i do in Gysberts

Me too, I really think Evans can be a regular.

[markc 975]

thanks for the updates

great work

[Tolstoys Nudge 1,680]

Most likely to draft Jimmy Toumpas with big man Grundy our 2nd choice.. close but Toumpas will likely be our man!

Bennell, Cook & Morton habe been nibbled on, but no sale yet.. far from it I hear! Morton will find a home I suspect..

[H_T 3,049]

Thanks Nudge. Like the HOT, Luke Warm and Scuttlebutt categories.

Adelaide still haven't given up on Jordie McKenzie.....

[olisik 4,060]

Most likely to draft Jimmy Toumpas with big man Grundy our 2nd choice.. close but Toumpas will likely be our man!

Bennell, Cook & Morton habe been nibbled on, but no sale yet.. far from it I hear! Morton will find a home I suspect..

I would have thought that Toumpas, Whitfield and Grundy are set to go picks 1, 2 and 3 and we would need to go with either Wines or O Rourke for pick 4. I would love Toumpas though.

I am slightly concerned from about the likelihood of losing pick 13 Dawes though.

[John Crow Batty 8,871]

Excellent.

If Morton did go to WCE, watch him end up looking like Q Lynch after 1 pre-season.

or David Neitz

[olisik 4,060]

Thanks Nudge. Like the HOT, Luke Warm and Scuttlebutt categories.

Adelaide still haven't given up on Jordie McKenzie.....

Whats on offer. Reason I am asking is that with new midfield stocks coming in Jordie may struggle to make our best 22.

[Deez 298]

I don't think evans will be delisted.

one more season to see if he can pull his stuff together.

He played a great first few games, and then sustained an unlucky back injury.

He was quick and his delivery and ball handling wasn't bad.

I would like to see what he can do when given the chance.

[Forest Demon 4,681]

Whats on offer. Reason I am asking is that with new midfield stocks coming in Jordie may struggle to make our best 22.

No he want. He may not get a lot of love from us on here, but he plays a role and is loved by Neeld and Bailey before him.

[BAMF 4,353]

Something must have changed for WCE to be interested in any member of the Morton family. Pretty sure the Morton family burnt that bridge to the ground.

Hope we keep Evans.

[Nascent 9,217]

Talk of trading Gysberts seem to have died down lately. This pleases me.

[The Devil's Advocate 2]

I have heard a rumour (supposedly from the mouth of a StKilda director) that Frawley wants to go to St Kilda. Can somebody confirm that this is rubbish please!!!

[monoccular 17,432]

Excellent.

If Morton did go to WCE, watch him end up looking like Q Lynch after 1 pre-season.

You surely aren't suggesting that they have some "secret ingredient" that nobody knows about, are you? Not even the IOC or WADA?

[Tolstoys Nudge 1,680]

I would have thought that Toumpas, Whitfield and Grundy are set to go picks 1, 2 and 3 and we would need to go with either Wines or O Rourke for pick 4. I would love Toumpas though.

I am slightly concerned from about the likelihood of losing pick 13 Dawes though.

Pick 13 is gone & is now Pick 20.

Dees expect another top 25 pick to come their way via other deals in coming days also!

Draft wise, Dees confident of Toumpas @ 4 with Wines & Macrae rumored to be GWS pref choice at 3 & even Grundy has come into contenion at that pick if they lose Giles. If GC had #2 Toumpas would be gone, but now they dont, dees have a shot!

[Tolstoys Nudge 1,680]

I have heard a rumour (supposedly from the mouth of a StKilda director) that Frawley wants to go to St Kilda. Can somebody confirm that this is rubbish please!!!

CONFIRMED

[Moonshadow 17,676]

My god, this trade period makes our previous 5 year's trade efforts look like Crafternoon gatherings of the local CWA.

(Mitch Clark excepted, of course)