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Taken with a grain of salt what this idiot say, but i thought this was interesting..

I wonder what fringe players he is referring to?

Heard he’s keen but so are a lot of players on the fringe they are def a destination club at the moment
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Linc McCarthy anyone? Not a pressure small forward but a super talent who would give us the crumber we need if we got his body right.

I'd be keen for a 1 year deal and a token late pick trade.

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I'd certainly be looking at zippy pressure forwards who can roll through the midfield in time.

Intrigued, @dazzledavey36 by that tweet. I wonder what level of player we can consistently attract now. Clearly, Lever is a wonderful get. But if we could get someone else of his calibre and in his rough age bracket, we'd probably have the best list under 25 in the league (if we don't already).

The thing about GWS is that their list is aging and their best players are almost in their prime. Players like Cameron and Shiel will be 26 next year, so if they don't win a flag in the next two years, I reckon they'll lose those guys to Melbourne-based clubs and their window will close.

It'll be fascinating to see how season 2019 unfolds. I'm bloody excited for it. I want that double chance, because I don't think we'll get past Hawthorn this week. I know we're not out of it, but I just don't see it. I hope we can delay these list conversations seriously for at least another week.

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4 hours ago, A F said:

I want that double chance, because I don't think we'll get past Hawthorn this week.

That's the spirit

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So happy we don't have to act like headless chooks and bid for every player who is mentioned as possibly available.

That is the area reserved for the desperate clubs, who just have to grab somebody to satisfy their members that they are doing something.

At our stage of development, we don't need to go after anyone who won't positively impact our list.

That is a great position to be in.

For example, the Cats got Ablett last year to top off their list and get them a flag, or so they thought. While he played well in games, he did not positively impact their list. Therefore, to me it was a failure, unless you are only looking at the publicity and a few more more memberships.

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51 minutes ago, Redleg said:

So happy we don't have to act like headless chooks and bid for every player who is mentioned as possibly available.

That is the area reserved for the desperate clubs, who just have to grab somebody to satisfy their members that they are doing something.

Agree. We are hopefully past threads on Brendan Goddard, Billy Hartung, Nathan Freeman, Dan Hanneberry and Michael Barlow.

But I'm waiting for the reincarnation of the Crameri thread. 😄

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On 9/10/2018 at 10:10 PM, A F said:

I'd certainly be looking at zippy pressure forwards who can roll through the midfield in time.

Intrigued, @dazzledavey36 by that tweet. I wonder what level of player we can consistently attract now. Clearly, Lever is a wonderful get. But if we could get someone else of his calibre and in his rough age bracket, we'd probably have the best list under 25 in the league (if we don't already).

The thing about GWS is that their list is aging and their best players are almost in their prime. Players like Cameron and Shiel will be 26 next year, so if they don't win a flag in the next two years, I reckon they'll lose those guys to Melbourne-based clubs and their window will close.

It'll be fascinating to see how season 2019 unfolds. I'm bloody excited for it. I want that double chance, because I don't think we'll get past Hawthorn this week. I know we're not out of it, but I just don't see it. I hope we can delay these list conversations seriously for at least another week.

We will smash Hawthorn this week. We are trending upwards in a big way. It seems things are starting to come together. We should be peaking come grand final day.

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On 7/17/2018 at 8:42 AM, SFebes said:

King and Filipovic are absolutely useless, Bradtke is just starting. 

 

On 7/17/2018 at 10:04 AM, Dee Zephyr said:

What about Tom Nicholls from Gold Coast? I’ve seen him do some good things in the ruck but hasn’t played a game this year due to injuries. I believe he’s OOC this year. 

A consideration but Preuss is the logical placement, although I know that ScottLucas has discussed Tom Campbell ( Doggies) with the Dees.If he could get his body right, he could be a ripper pick up

 

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I would happily bide our time re: trades. 

If we can get Gaff, Preuss, Shiel or Parker without giving up big peices go for it. Also if anyone offers overs for Hunt, Tyson, Kent i'd want the club to look at it. But otherwise, let's get some our 18 year olds through the draft, maybe 1 or 2 older players (22-25) from the state leagues. Then front load as many our contracts as possible, and we can save some cap space for when we really need to target someone in the next few years. 

Btw, I would look to trade Bugg, JKH and maybe even garlett, if we can possibly get some more picks in the top 50. 

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Also a thought. Maybe draft the fastest small forward in the country not playing AFL, and see if we can develop them into an AFL player. With the prospect of playing Hogan Weid and Tmac, we will need to make up for lack of forward pressure. 

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26 minutes ago, Lord Neville X Flash said:

Also a thought. Maybe draft the fastest small forward in the country not playing AFL, and see if we can develop them into an AFL player. With the prospect of playing Hogan Weid and Tmac, we will need to make up for lack of forward pressure. 

Weed’s forward pressure is elite 

Betts just signed a new contract with the Crows and looks to have slowed down this year as age catches up with him - is now the wrong side of 30

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Preuss deal is weird. Only way he's coming is if the club is worried about Gawn's body. To be fair every player plays hurt and we've seen how much better we are with him vs without. So maybe they want to give him an odd week off next season to keep him fresh. I really don't subscribe to the two ruckmen in the same team when Weid, T. Mac and Hogan will all be pushing to play.

Jon Ralph and Jay Clark just touched on the Hogan talk. Hogan's management nor Hogan himself said he wants to leave. Everything points to him being settled. I remember earlier in the season talk was he wanted a new extended deal. So like we all knew already, nothing in it.

Now the interesting part is (i'm probably reading into something that's not there) Jay Clark said if you needed to move Hogan on you'd only let him go for two first rounders minimum. Which is 100% right given his contract and potential. However he said you would use them to go get J. Kelly. Now with all the talk about Gaff, Shiel, Parker, Neale etc you'd think he'd say one of those names, but he went straight to Kelly. Maybe i was right and it seems obvious Kelly is leaving GWS at the end of his contract and maybe GWS would bite if they got two first rounders right now for him. Maybe he's also  hearing whispers that Melbourne are likely going to be making the play for him which does excite me. Him, Oliver and Brayshaw in the midfield with Gawn tapping it down to them is All star level [censored]. Kelly can also play Half Forward quite effectively, his goal record for a midfielder is quite good. 

Aside from that i'm struggling to see holes in the team. Like we've got enough KPF and if the club believes in O. Mac and Frost then we don't really need a KPD. I'd say maybe a fast medium sized forward? Maybe go out and seek another defender for when Lewis hangs up the boots? I do like the idea of Petty getting time but.

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On 9/3/2018 at 11:39 AM, Ethan Tremblay said:

Scully will end up at Hawthorn. Gut feeling only. 

Nah, Carlton or Collingwood - there is something about his worthiness in this - he'd suit their game plans and attitudes.

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We need a little off-season coaching to some internal talent to change their respective roles in games and thus, improve skillsets and conventional responsibilities in a team of the century (MFC). With this in mind for some of our great youngsters, it leaves us in the desirable position to focus on only two draftings/free agents: 1. Gaff, still worth the hunt for our needs; and 2. Preuss, could be anything we want in a big fella with mobile skills, agility and a far Ken big kick, both feet.

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28 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

Weed’s forward pressure is elite 

Betts just signed a new contract with the Crows and looks to have slowed down this year as age catches up with him - is now the wrong side of 30

Weed's tackling technique is great, but his pressure is no where near elite. He had 4 tackles and 6 pressure acts on the weekend. In comparison, ANB had 9 tackles and 28 pressure acts. 

Betts is obviously on the wrong side of 30, but we have a crazy young list that is well and truly in the premiership window. Betts is not at his best, but i think he'll be better than spargo for at least 1 more year, and he could add depth. He is contracted, but its worth asking the question, as he was very unhappy this year at the crows, see; Mitch Mcgovern.

If we could somehow get Betts for Garlett and/or Bugg, i would jump at it. 

We do not need Betts by any stretch, just a thought..

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23 minutes ago, MurDoc516 said:

Maybe he's also  hearing whispers that Melbourne are likely going to be making the play for him which does excite me. Him, Oliver and Brayshaw in the midfield with Gawn tapping it down to them is All star level [censored]. Kelly can also play Half Forward quite effectively, his goal record for a midfielder is quite good. 

Good lord i hope you're right. 

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6 hours ago, MurDoc516 said:

Preuss deal is weird. Only way he's coming is if the club is worried about Gawn's body. To be fair every player plays hurt and we've seen how much better we are with him vs without. So maybe they want to give him an odd week off next season to keep him fresh. I really don't subscribe to the two ruckmen in the same team when Weid, T. Mac and Hogan will all be pushing to play.

Jon Ralph and Jay Clark just touched on the Hogan talk. Hogan's management nor Hogan himself said he wants to leave. Everything points to him being settled. I remember earlier in the season talk was he wanted a new extended deal. So like we all knew already, nothing in it.

Now the interesting part is (i'm probably reading into something that's not there) Jay Clark said if you needed to move Hogan on you'd only let him go for two first rounders minimum. Which is 100% right given his contract and potential. However he said you would use them to go get J. Kelly. Now with all the talk about Gaff, Shiel, Parker, Neale etc you'd think he'd say one of those names, but he went straight to Kelly. Maybe i was right and it seems obvious Kelly is leaving GWS at the end of his contract and maybe GWS would bite if they got two first rounders right now for him. Maybe he's also  hearing whispers that Melbourne are likely going to be making the play for him which does excite me. Him, Oliver and Brayshaw in the midfield with Gawn tapping it down to them is All star level [censored]. Kelly can also play Half Forward quite effectively, his goal record for a midfielder is quite good. 

Aside from that i'm struggling to see holes in the team. Like we've got enough KPF and if the club believes in O. Mac and Frost then we don't really need a KPD. I'd say maybe a fast medium sized forward? Maybe go out and seek another defender for when Lewis hangs up the boots? I do like the idea of Petty getting time but.

So the conversation is whether we would be a better team with Kelly instead of Hogan. The question I ask which player has the potential to win us a final. I feel Hogan could cause more damage than Kelly. That's nothing against Kelly. 

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9 hours ago, mauriesy said:

Agree. We are hopefully past threads on Brendan Goddard, Billy Hartung, Nathan Freeman, Dan Hanneberry and Michael Barlow.

But I'm waiting for the reincarnation of the Crameri thread. 😄

Just you think it's safe to come out, along comes a thread on Gary Rohan.

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10 hours ago, Redleg said:

So happy we don't have to act like headless chooks and bid for every player who is mentioned as possibly available.

That is the area reserved for the desperate clubs, who just have to grab somebody to satisfy their members that they are doing something.

At our stage of development, we don't need to go after anyone who won't positively impact our list.

That is a great position to be in.

For example, the Cats got Ablett last year to top off their list and get them a flag, or so they thought. While he played well in games, he did not positively impact their list. Therefore, to me it was a failure, unless you are only looking at the publicity and a few more more memberships.

Only for the second time in a long time. We’re “lucky” we finally got our house in order and then snaffled Taylor, otherwise we’d still be chasing Byrnes of the footy world. 

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Lachie Whitfield. Go get him Jason Taylor!

Giants are in serious cap trouble

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7 hours ago, djr said:

So the conversation is whether we would be a better team with Kelly instead of Hogan. The question I ask which player has the potential to win us a final. I feel Hogan could cause more damage than Kelly. That's nothing against Kelly. 

I think we live in a world were both in same squad is possible. Two first rounders is needed to get him and the only way we get two first rounders this season is if we trade Hogan. However he is out of contract after next season and i think we can find a way to trade ourselves up to two first rounders (without trading Hogan) and go get him. Cap space would be the issue for us really. he's on 800k at GWS and if he continues performing well he'll get offers well over a million. So we would need to find enough cap space to fit in at a minimum someone on a million a year.

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3 hours ago, MurDoc516 said:

I think we live in a world were both in same squad is possible. Two first rounders is needed to get him and the only way we get two first rounders this season is if we trade Hogan. However he is out of contract after next season and i think we can find a way to trade ourselves up to two first rounders (without trading Hogan) and go get him. Cap space would be the issue for us really. he's on 800k at GWS and if he continues performing well he'll get offers well over a million. So we would need to find enough cap space to fit in at a minimum someone on a million a year.

Who would you part with to get another first rounder next year?

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Just now, djr said:

Who would you part with to get another first rounder next year?

Who knows really. I've heard rumours about Tyson, Weid, Bugg and Kent all potentially looking at other options.

For me i'd look at trying our best to get 2nd and 3rd rounders for Garlett, Kent and Tyson if they want to go and trade the picks up. If the Weid rumours are true then that's your first round pick right there.

Agan i think it would be tough cap space wise because he is already on 800k and every victorian club will be in for him

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