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I'm treating North like their a top 8 side and hoping the players do as well. I think the JLT created a false illusion that they'd be a bottom 2 side. They most certainly are not. We came in way too arrogant and cocky last year against them and paid the ultimate prize. Had Hibberd kicked that goal with 2 mins left in Hobart, we would've been playing finals. We just can't afford to take this side for granted. This isn't a danger game. It's a 50/50 game which North would be extremely confident of winning.10 points
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This thread needs a mercy killing from the mods. Some dingbat will bump it every week to either bemoan or cheer his departure. Talk about self flagellation. He’s gone. Can we not end the obsession now?9 points
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I won’t be convinced this team has what it takes to make the 8 and then do some damage until it can mercilessly Hammer a team instead of just creating a 5-8 goal buffer and then doing enough to fall across the line.. I get more nervous when we are 6-8 goals in front. Because I know we’ll take the foot off the pedal.. Better than when we couldn’t get to this stage, but it’s time this team/club grows up.7 points
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That seems like a single plan that hasn't worked on the two previous occasions. North always seem to be a good contested marking side against us (which side doesn't). I think we need flexibility in defence and the air to get the ball to our runners. Last year's game at the G was a bitter hard-fought contest and there was no love lost. We lost the free kick count 21 to 10 because the umps were a disgrace. We handballed ourselves out of it: 195 HBs to 178 kicks; they out-tackled us 94 to 78; and, we let them score 6g 7b in the opening qtr. They also had 85 marks to our 69 and like Geelong last week they controlled the ball for long periods. Goodwin often says he doesn't look at history but us supporters know it too well and are far king sick of this mob beating us - AND us trying to play the same way to beat them. And another thing, you can guarantee that Chris Scott will be speaking to Brad Scott about how to beat Melbourne. The Geelong game is the blueprint and that is how North plays us. Knowing that you would think Goodwin will set up different game plans to tackle it. How we go will be a real eye opener as to whether Goodwin can really coach. There are really no excuses.6 points
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Just watched the 3rd 1/4 again...we had a chance to absolutely bury them..we were 41 points up..12 minutes left. Petracca misses a gimme set shot..Bugg then misses a snap he should have nailed...Then Gawn goes off with about 11 minutes on the clock. Christensen gets a suspect holding the man call and goals. Stef Martin gets another free and misses and suddenly the crowd is right in the game. It was the free that got them into the game. Gawn comes back on and Cameron tackles him straight I the back and play on is called. Cameron gives it to Max and then Cox goals from outside fifty . For 8 minutes of the 3rd we dominated and could have been 10 goals up. We left the door ajar and a dodgy free brought them back into it.6 points
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Interestingly, North have the second youngest list in the competition and second least experienced from a 'games played' point of view. That said, if North go with an unchanged line-up the tale of the tape is quite similar and they're not nearly as youthful as their list demographic suggests. They had a more experienced side than St Kilda on the weekend. They will also have less sub 50 game players than us and more 100 plus game players. Their average age was the same as ours last round and games played is close with them averaging slightly more. Average Attributes North Melbourne Attribute St Kilda 187.0cm Height 188.1cm 87.4kg Weight 88.4kg 25yr 5mth Age 24yr 10mth 96.4 Games 82.9 Total Players By Games North Melbourne Games St Kilda 7 Less than 50 7 6 50 to 99 7 2 100 to 149 4 7 150 or more 4 Average Attributes Brisbane Attribute Melbourne 188.6cm Height 187.6cm 87.9kg Weight 87.6kg 24yr 1mth Age 25yr 5mth 77.1 Games 92.4 Total Players By Games Brisbane Games Melbourne 8 Less than 50 9 7 50 to 99 6 6 100 to 149 3 1 150 or more 4 With that said there will be no excuses if we can't get the job done. It shapes as one of the more important matches we've had since this late 2013 rebuild began. We simply cannot afford to lose this game and I'll have some concerns if we do. Hoodoos aren't easy to break, so a one point win will suffice (even though I think we should be a six goal + better side), but a loss will prove the doubters have had justifiable concerns and it will show me that we're not as advanced as I'd hoped and expected. We have a way to go to be as defensively organised behind the ball as Hawthorn, but I want to see a team that is hard to score against and one that has no mental lapses for 4 quarters. Dees by 27 points.6 points
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i was listening to the commentary too at the game (which, by the by, is regularly the best blockbuster this side of queen's birthday and anzac eve) - he was super scathing about the constant staging for free kicks and complaining to the maggots i couldn't believe how much energy the geelong players expended on demanding free kicks / complaining about lack of free kicks geelong irritate the bejesus out of me5 points
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I can’t believe some people are suggesting Melksham be dropped. Like, what? On another day he’d have kicked three goals and was in the top 6 for contested possessions behind Jones, Oliver, Trac, Hogan and Garlett. If you include the end of last season in his form line he’s been of our best players. Amother pearler is Weideman coming in for Pedersen off the back of two goals in what was essentially a training drill against Frankston.5 points
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It's well known that "top" teams get better treatment from the umps. The umps, like any spectator, seem to know who is "supposed" to win and conform to the script. So if (eg) last year's grand finalists play last year's cellar dwellers, the cellar dwellers can expect the rough end of the pineapple in the important 50/50s. (They might get some cheap evener-uppers later.) Not the rule, of course, but it is the trend. This applies to individual players too. Champion players get away with more because they're better players so naturally less likely to infringe ... aren't they? The very best attain the legendary status of "good bloke" and can do no wrong at all. I mean a "good bloke" like Hodge wouldn't callously shove a bloke into a goal post, would he? A "good bloke" like Judd wouldn't eye gouge another player. A "good bloke" like Selwood wouldn't spend a career bending the rules to his advantage. A "good bloke" like Ablett wouldn't approach the umpires at quarter time and give them some friendly advice unless he really had their best interests at heart. (Imagine if Clarry tried that.) The umps have a really hard job, made harder by the conflicting direction they receive from above. Classic example: the protected zone. Hard policing of it this year. Red hot! Strictly by the book! For an entire round. By round two, forgotton. Because the chumps at AFL house have realised that the wording is too strict! What is the intent of the law? By the end of round 2, the player with the ball was again being crowded, or the man on the mark harassed, which are the very reasons why the rule was brought in. And these amateurs (literally) have to adjust to this change of direction. Add in deliberate out of bounds, ducking, sideways kicking for goal (moving off the line of the mark) ... they end up umpiring to a set of rules that exist only in someone's head. (This year it's Hocking's.)5 points
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Viney had a private session yesterday, back running here is hoping for some luck was on 7 news4 points
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I know we are lampooned as supporters that whinge about umps but a lot of the decisions left me dumbfounded. Home crowd does impact the umpires.4 points
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Well, given HIS name is actually BRENTON Speed, I guess we are gonna have to cut him a little slack...! LOL4 points
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Haven't read the whole thread but I see people clamouring for Frost. Is this a case of absence makes the heart grow fonder? Not saying he can't/won't improve but on what I've seen in his career to date he is nothing special, OK 1:1 has speed but also a tendency to run into trouble, no lateral movement/peripheral vision and poor disposal. He is like Hunt but taller so if he comes in for Hunt I guess that would be a like for like but give us more flexibility in matchups but no way he should come in at the expense of someone who would reduce our midfield rotations.4 points
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Glad to see Jarrad Waite's 24 disposal one goal game landed him at full forward in the AFL's team of the week. Meanwhile, Hogan's 22 disposal 5 goal game didn't warrant a guernsey.3 points
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Here's a tip for the simple minded who don't like this thread: don't read it, don't post in it, just ignore it. Carry on with your lives as though it never existed. Let those who want to talk about Jack Watts do so.3 points
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On the upside, we won and have plenty of room for improvement both within the current team, plus two key players to return. This year the goal has to be both making finals and peaking as a team when finals roll around. The fact we can bury teams in a quarter or two is what we’re working to extend for the full four quarters. If it takes the entire H&A season to achieve that, and we keep winning enough to make finals, we’ll be ready for a tilt. Its a long season. We’re doing ok.3 points
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So, to sum it all up ... Watts is a star, and a good ordinary player. He has the complete set of skills, and major deficiencies in his skill set. He is the best kick for goal in the league, and doesn't kick many goals. He will tear it up at Port, and he will fail at Port. He will humiliate the MFC, and he will vindicate the MFC.3 points
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Also...Max was pulled to ground about 5 times in the last quarter in ruck contests...specifically from boundary throw ins. No free. It was laughable3 points
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I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but Ben Brown scored 5 Brownlow votes from a possible 6 in his two outings against us last year (9 goals in total). IMO it's imperative we play Frost as a back-up for OMac. We need two competing with him in the air.3 points
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yes, really ugly and yet nothing. His neck could have been broken. I am gobsmacked its just passed without comment.3 points
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A thought occurred to me about us this year just thinking about 2017. I remember just before we were due to play the tigers last year I was very unconvinced by them. They limped across the line a couple of times and got some serious luck early but things clicked for them. I’m not suggesting that we’re going to do the exact same thing but early form isn’t necessarily an indicator for the entire year. Look at the Swans. 0-6 but managed to storm home. I guess what I’m saying is we didn’t play well over the weekend but we got the 4 points. We played well for 3 quarters last week and were very unlucky (shooting ourselves in the foot) to not win. If we can ride this early form fluctuation and get more wins than losses than our hopes of finals and more will hopefully come to fruition. We just HAVE to beat North this weekend.3 points
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LMAO at Guthrie turning it over twice in the last minute to cost Geeloing any chance of winning, loved it, what's he got to say now, Karma3 points
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A couple of points: To you it's good info, to everyone else it's information from somebody called "Beetle" and we have no way of judging the veracity of it other than your word. It's not personal, but people are entitled to be sceptical. We have seen a *lot* of this type of information before and it varies from correct, to a mangled chinese whisper, to an outright lie. Often the poster could be correctly relaying what they heard but their source got the wrong end of the stick. Secondly, people will be doubtful about this particular item because it just sounds unlikely after the year he had. On top of that, it beggars belief that no other club would be interested. There's no need to get pissy about it when people question your post, it is inevitable and perfectly reasonable for that to happen. Try to understand a little bit where people are coming from.3 points
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Re the dangerous act against Fritsch, it is perplexing that the rule of the week was to pay frees for dangerous tackles (some not very dangerous), but a dangerous 'tackle' after a mark is taken is considered fine by the umpires, the AFL and commentators. Should have been 50m and at least a fine.2 points
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The umpiring in the second half was deplorable. It wasn't so much the frees that were paid against us, but the ones that weren't paid for us. I remember numerous occasions I had my arms up wondering how it wasn't a free kick.2 points
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At the moment our team is still developing. Any amount of practice at training is not the same as match conditions. That means the coach has to give players the opportunity to develop particular skills or roles during games. My view of the drop off against Geelong was that it occurred when players such as Maynard and Hannan were the centre midfielders. That's not to say it was wrong to have them there, but with their lack of experience in that role, it was always going to increase the risk of a poorer team performance while they were there. I haven't looked closely enough at the Brisbane game to see if the run of goals against us coincided with any particular set-up. But I'm reasonably confident Salem was playing a different role (inside mid, if not run with player) all night as part of his education.2 points
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He chose to leave for cultural reasons didn’t he? Pretty sure we wanted to keep him and he’d recently signed a contract extension2 points
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I liked Jack, was sad to see him go and would like him to do well (except against us) however the game against the swans was the first time I watched him without my Red and Blue glasses on. For the first time I saw what a lot of posters were talking about when he was with us. He will need to improve on that outing and Hinkley was being kind to suggest he added anything to their structure.2 points
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Monde. Allen Jacovich was a freak. He was the fastest player to reach 50 goals. He kicked 8 goals 8 points in his forth game then in his tenth game he kicked 11 goal 9 points 1 oob on full. 187cm same height as Oliver but about 15kg heavier. I recommend watching his highlight packages, he could just turn it on like no other player I have seen. Oliver is my current favorite player, I wonder what he will be like in a few years. Note:- Jacovich's first game was as a 23yo.2 points
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Selwood is a cheat. I put him on the same level as the Essendon drug cheats. Would love to see him banned for a year too.2 points
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Hawthorn’s style of play relies on good skills and a brilliantly coached system. We rely on pure grunt and effort. If we can get a bit more of the way Hawthorn play then we will be a much better and more well-rounded team.2 points
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Not that big on most stats, especially in isolation (watching the game always a better option!) but a few interesting ones in comparison to last week.... We doubled our contested marks from 7 to 14 We had 7 more marks inside 50. Up from 10 to 17 Tackles inside 50 more than doubled from 8 to 17 Intercepts were up a little from 72 to 79 We reduced our turnovers by 1 !!2 points
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“What are you thinking, Leigh?” ”About the game?” Nah, about how the [censored] pyramids were built...2 points
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Truly never stops. Every stoppage one or all of them begging for some bull [censored] free.2 points
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Port beating Sydney had zero to do with your pinup boy. Watts had 4 kicks, no marks, and no goals. Played his role ? Is his role to do nothing ? You're very easily pleased.2 points
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People are missing the importance of Jack in Port's structure yesterday! Having him forward enabled Hinkley to make the match winning move of Dixon to ruck the 2nd half, without leaving a gaping hole in forward 50. He also took a key defender which enabled a young kid (Todd Marshall) to kick 3 goals. And, Jack's hand pass to Boake for his first goal helped spark the turnaround to win the game. I'm sure people will get a lot of laughs this year from looking at Jack's stats and ridiculing him. But that just shows they probably haven't watched the game and don't understand the role Hinkley is asking of him. TBH, I just don't get the lingering antipathy towards him. We pushed him out. He is gone. You don't need to wish him well. But this petty ridicule just makes posters look mean spirited.2 points
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From the author of the top 10 under 23 Ben GuthrieVerified account @BenGuthrie_ FollowingFollowing @BenGuthrie_ More Ben Guthrie Retweeted AFL.com.au Clearly should have had Clayton Oliver on this list! The midfielder has been absolutely immense tonight. So clean in slippery conditions. #AFLLionsDees #thegameisingoodhands2 points
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The handball kick ratio is a myth. He is in the middle of packs using his hands to create space for his team. I rate him massively and I'm still not convinced the wider footy public have caught on just how good he is in close. Whoever didn't include him in the top 10 under 23 should honestly look for another profession.2 points
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How interesting: who told you? Another player! Well that’s interesting because unless it was someone who had an in with the selectors (maybe Jones or Viney) they wouldn’t know. The club tried to trade him and we heard nothing! With a couple of dozen reporters desperate for any football news in the off season, such a story as this would have been sensational. No one would be able to keep it quiet: but we heard nothing! And of course if the club tried to trade him - he would be gone!!! There are maybe a dozen clubs who would (figuratively) lick their lips at the thought of snaring Jesse Any way - thanks for the prank!2 points
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Abuse is not allowed, it is the rules. It's like saying "I wish someone punched Selwood in the face because it is what I wanted to do at the time that he tunnelled Salem". It is pathetic leadership from Lewis, who should learn to shut up and stop costing us games. He cost us dearly through suspension last year, and he potentially cost us the game on the weekend for lashing out. Lewis is in the team primarily for his leadership. Some leadership giving away 50m penalty because you're a hot head.2 points
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