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Oh ffs...

My favourite sort of intent is eye-eagle.

No injuries

Big feature on the ABC tonight on 7.30 report about MFC womens players and what they have given up to play for the club Here is at least a write up: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-01/aflw-women-career-injury/9380274 and the video link: http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/meet-the-aflw-players-who-sacrificed-their-day/9385274

My way of finding a standout horse (whether it works or not is highly questionable Wadda ) is to first of all work from the bottomweight up (or the last horse listed in any given field) And I usually only ever look at Group Races/Listed Races. I then start grading the horses as follows ... N ........ No MP ..... Maybe a Place P ........ Place PW ..... Should Place, Might Win WP .... Can Win, At least a Place W ....... Should Win I tried it with a number of the Rosehill Races and then thought I'd throw a few picks out there to see what others thought. It gets tough finding a standout when I start finding multiple horses that should win! My best bet won't be coming from the Expressway Stakes or from Caulfield. Will probably do a few Tri's in the Manfred Stakes & The W J Adams Stakes though (as well as the Expressway Stakes) With regards to my initial picks at Rosehill I marked 'Don't Give A Damn' & 'Kopi Luwak' on top then 'Bye See' then 'From Within' ... and they've predicted a bit of rain for Sydney on Saturday too (clearing up as the day goes on) Right now the track is a Good 4.

Havent had a look at Caulfield yet, but the Sydney races seem hard. Any idea on the track atm? Hopefully we dont get those dreadful tracks like we did when it was raining for weeks on end. Really ruined it. Dont mind R6 N9 Bye See.....3 runs in, place last start. (the old rule i mentioned)....remember......

They also would have lost to us had we not been crucified by injuries.

Thanks and thats a really interesting list of High Chaparrals. I will be referring back to it from time to time......some top horses there. High Chaparral died in 2014, so there wont be anymore. But the last 2 Ace High and Rekindling may well be amongst the best. Yes its a hard one and maybe Gai and Bott with home ground advantage hold the key with Global Glamour atm. Had such a good strike rate in the spring, we are going to have to keep an eye on them every damn race now. Because of this they will often be favorites as well tho. Goodfella has the odds tho, i like it as well. I think your assessment is pretty good.

Very interesting Wadda. I've had a good look at the Expressway and I've determined it's quite a tricky race to find a standout. Out of the realistic chances according to the market, there are 3 horses with at least 1 start in their current prep. 2- Global Glamour 3- Memes 6- Goodfella First-up horses that can win(IMO) listed below. 4- Ace High 5-Trapeze Arrist 8- Addictive Nature I watched some replays of the fresher horses in their previous prep and some current trials but it's hard to gauge against a horse in a prep already. Case in point, Maccas thoughts on Goodfella. Yes, the horse is in a decent prep at the moment with some short let-ups in between runs, but the last two runs have been very good behind a quality galloper in Pierata. Im finding it hard to narrow it down to one standout in this race so maybe a trifecta around Ace High could be the ticket.

What is a change up? I like us wearing a Melbourne jumper, royal or navy blue is fine by me. We are the team of the red & the blue. NOT white.

Yes, im with you D77, wont be far off them i dont think. Hes a High Chapparal and i had a look to see if any of the other prodigies had ever won over 1200. Looks like 1400 by Tivaci in 2012 in The All Aged Stakes is the shortest distance. Doesnt mean he cant set a new record or run a place. Will be interesting. Watch out for Ace high over the Mile to Mile and a half. ...and watch out Winx. Foaled Name Sex Major Wins 2006 Descarado g Caulfield Cup, Caulfield Stakes 2006 Monaco Consul c Victoria Derby, Spring Champion Stakes 2006 Redwood c Northern Dancer Turf Stakes 2006 Shoot Out g Chipping Norton Stakes x2, Australian Derby, George Main Stakes, Randwick Guineas 2006 So You Think c Cox Plate x2, Tattersalls Gold Cup x2, Yalumba Stakes, Underwood Stakes, MacKinnon Stakes, Eclipse Stakes, Irish Champion Stakes, Prince of Wales's Stakes 2007 Wigmore Hall g Northern Dancer Turf Stakes x2 2008 High Jinx c Prix du Cadran 2009 Dundeel c Spring Champion Stakes, Australian Derby, Underwood Stakes, ATC Queen Elizabeth Stakes, Rosehill Guineas, Randwick Guineas 2009 Wrote c Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf 2010 Altior g Supreme Novices' Hurdle, Henry VIII Novices' Chase, Arkle Challenge Trophy 2010 Contributer c Chipping Norton Stakes, Ranvet Stakes 2010 Pondarosa Miss f Easter Handicap 2010 Toronado c Sussex Stakes, Queen Anne Stakes 2011 Fenway f Storm Queen Stakes 2011 Lucky Lion c Bayerisches Zuchtrennen 2011 Free Eagle c Prince of Wales's Stakes 2012 Tivaci c All Aged Stakes 2013 Montoya's Secret f Vinery Stud Stakes 2014 Ace High c Spring Champion Stakes, Victoria Derby 2014 Rekindling c Melbourne Cup

Thanks, Jones had a good solid main session at Maroochydore, I was told by a reliable source You will find Lyon's 'influence' at the club has declined badly since the new regime took over, he like a lot of other 'journalists gets his info second hand from sites such as Demonland or interpreting Ben Guthrie's articles on AFL website in the negative

That's what made round 23 so hard to take. There was no real stand out team last year. Giving them credit... Toiges had a wonderful 8 weeks or so including the final series. 4-5 weeks out they were on paper a real chance to finish 9-10 on the ladder.

Betting on the MFC aka throwing away money and having your heart broken again. Sounds like a great deal.

Love Nev as well, and while he's a good kick, he's also very risk-adverse in his kicking choices which helps his stat in this area. Long penertating kicks to the advantage of player on the run are not Nevs standard kick from defence... like the opposite of Travis Johnston, which in a backman is not a bad thing.

Armstrong will just sit back and polish his premiership medallion while all this reminiscing is happening...

We are extremely fortunate to have access to an suburban oval 12 months a year. To get 3 home practice matches because the 3 teams we play have cricket pitches is a real advantage for Casey, bit extra cash through bar/Canteen and gate takings also helps.

Why shouldn’t we give things a good shake? At stages of the 2017 campaign we were scraping the bottom of the barrel in personnel terms, with the stupid suspensions and the cataclysm of injuries we suffered. Add Lever and Hogan to the line up for most of our season and all things being equal we are a two-goal a game better side, even if we see no improvement in other areas of our game. Brayshaw, Petracca, Oliver and Viney being fed by Gawn will be a formidable midfield for anyone to contend with.

$7.50 to make the GF.....wow. They’ve still got a bit to prove in my eyes, bit too short for me to have a dip.

http://melbournefc.com.au/news/2018-02-01/six-players-to-debut-for-demons Melbourne AFLW team: round one B: Laura Duryea, Meg Downie, Bianca Jakobsson HB: Katherine Smith, Jasmine Grierson, Catherine Phillips C: Elise O’Dea HF: Richelle Cranston, Lily Mithen, Shelley Scott F: Tegan Cunningham, Daisy Pearce, Kate Hore Foll: Erin Hoare, Karen Paxman, Melissa Hickey I/C: Ashleigh Guest, Lauren Pearce, Maddy Guerin, Emma Humphries, Aliesha Newman Emg: Harriet Cordner, Alyssa Mifsud New: Jakobsson (Carlton), Cunningham (basketball), Guerin (Fitzroy/Northern Knights), Guest (GWS Giants), Hoare (Geelong), Hore (St Kilda Sharks) Not playing: Ainslie Kemp, Sarah Lampard, Brooke Patterson, Maddie Shevlin, Anna Teague, Claudia Whitfort, Eden Zanker

I am a pessimist/realist. I'd like to bet on Melbourne missing out on the 8 ... and hopefully losing that bet.

He's really not. He gets his info from Bigfooty. They even joked about it on SEN once.

Really? Bugger, she was my favorite. I love footy season. Go girls. Lets bring home a flag, and give the guys something to chase.

Nothing wrong with the way they count kicks and handballs , how many games a players has played...that's stats, that's what they do and do well. It's when they take the stats and try to extrapolate out things like this that they are way out of their depth.

At least they got Carlton’s list ranking correct.

Apologies if the following link has been posted elsewhere. Four elite players at Melbourne. https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/01/31/champion-data-ranks-your-club's-list-for-2018/

Sydney has had two recent minor premierships followed by 'coming second' in the grand final. Funnily enough, they've done that five other times in their history, too. Port Adelaide took three tries before getting there in 2004. Brisbane never finished minor premiers in their triple. Overall, it looks like there's roughly a three-way split for final result for minor premiers; 1/3rd win the premiership, 1/3rd come runner up, and 1/3rd don't make the grand final. With the power of statistics and imprecise grammar, I could thus 'accurately' say "winning the minor premiership means you are less likely to win the premiership than another team".

Betting agencies are always "on trend" thats their job. It has been suggested - If you know how to exploit that the more you bet the more you win. If you dont know how to exploit that your money is set to head into their pockets over the long run.

well you are just plain wrong, doc the afl wanted predominately white and we (current admin and supporters) fought them and won so stick that in your pipe and smoke it

I’m not even drunk and I have no idea what you’re talking about. Maybe the trick is I need to be drunk. Back soon.

I think that one is the best of a pretty average lot. I've always liked our MFC monogram and was annoyed when it was replaced on last seasons jumper. One of the issues with the white jumper is that the same design has never been consistently used, so supporters haven't had a chance to . build a bond with it. But we have had some great wins in white jumpers over the last few years!

Hang in there Dr. I adopted the Seahawks when I Iived thereabouts in 2006. Watching them win a Super Bowl (unfortunately on TV as I was back in Oz by then) was a small sliver of what I would feel if the Dees scooped a flag.

I don’t, he is still connected within the Club and his “mail” is generally pretty good...

Anything Gary Lyon has to say about the MFC I take with a massive handful of salt.

I wrote him off early when they were trying to turn him into a small forward. Not fast enough over the turf, and wasn't a reliable kick for goal so I reasoned. The move into the backline was a Hail Mary move to see if he had something..... ANYTHING that could salvage his career. Not only did he prove me wrong, but he became one of the best defenders in the game. Love his guts.

We haven't played in final since 07. Everyone needs to [censored] calm their shiet.

I suppose that depends if you’re betting on them to win or lose.

I have such admiration for this player. To have come out of the last ten years at this club the player he is is an incredible feat. At the time of his delisting he could have been forgiven for running for the hills to get as far away from this shambolic club as possible. But he didn’t. He knuckled down and won the respect of his coaches, teammates, the opposition and now the whole footballing community. He’s a great role model for every player in the league.

You can fluke a premiership without being the best team all year like the Bulldogs or Tigers. You can't fluke top of the ladder ithout being the best team all year. We are a much greater chance of inning the premiership than finishing on top. The best bet is Melbourne to win the women's premiership at $5.

lol

Are you suggesting the players are not completely candid when they talk to random supporters? Surely not. Calf injuries, particularly in older players, is becoming one of those injuries that never seem to go away. Like foot injuries.

Let's wait until we drop the first three games...!

Schmucks are schmucks until they prove otherwise. 20-1 would be more reasonable odds.

Not enough choices in the poll. I voted "love it" but the total truth is that it is better than most of what has gone before it. Always hated the royal blue number in the 70s and 80s though. So it's relatively better than the white number, ok, but love it is a bit too strong.

I'm not a moderator of this site so I can't tell you what you can and can't say and do. Demonland has rules you can read. But my opinion is that online personal criticism, particularly when it's anonymous, on any forum is always unnecessary, cowardly and disrespectful of both posters and readers.

1. No criticisms of Satyr for his training reports 2. No criticisms of Joeboy for his weekly three word player summaries 3. No criticisms of Melbourne players unless genuinely deserved.

There are two Statts I believe in from 2017. Richmond were the best team and Brisbane were the worst. The rest is just Champion data trying to justify their existence.

Jan 2017 Champion Data: Pies no 1 midfield Dees 18th Grain. Of. Salt.

That's the AFL's fault. Out of the $1bill plus tv rights they've had over the past 10 years they won't allocate money to identify and develop young talent in the non AFL States. They leave it entirely to the teams there even though with the expansion there is more need to find more players. The Swans have spent over $1mill per year on their Academy for about 8-10 years now. They seek out every junior athlete initially in the whole of NSW and since GWS in their allocated areas. They have around 500-600 players a year going through it, that's thousands and thousands of players over the period. Out of that massive investment, so far they have Heeney and Mills. That's it. Brandon Jack was the only other player to make it to the list and he didn't make it. Heeney was a rugby league player in Newcastle who would never have been discovered without the Swans Academy work in finding him. I was involved in Junior AFL in Sydney for over ten years and know how incredibly hard the landscape is up here for AFL. The Swans Academy is a big deal to all the kids up here who aspire to getting picked in it. I've watched its impact on Junior Clubs like ours since it started and its significant. The only way to solve this is for the AFL to set up AFL Academies not Club Academies.