The Jack Macrae Thread

[ignition. 1,454]

On 10/09/2024 at 16:48, BoBo said:

Jack Macrae has requested a trade from the dogs. 
 

30 years old, 3 time all Australian. 
 

Would/do/should we want him?

He'd be a better player on the field than Billings. Could also fill the void left by ANB. A yes for me.

Edited Wednesday at 23:40 by ignition.

[whatwhat say what 22,050]

8 minutes ago, ignition. said:

He'd be a better player on the field than Billings. Could also fill the void left by ANB. A yes for me.

i don't see how he can play the nibbler role at all

if we had shipped one of petracca or oliver, sure, but another not-quick first-possession midfielder is not what we need

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12 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

i don't see how he can play the nibbler role at all

if we had shipped one of petracca or oliver, sure, but another not-quick first-possession midfielder is not what we need

I wouldn't call ANB quick either, he has an excellent tank and running patterns. Macrae also has excellent tank, running patterns, as well as superb awareness and evasive skills.

My point is we've lost senior depth and certainly lack it with Billings (Macrae is a far superior upgrade to him). Likewise, he's a better player than Sparrow who also gets time at the centre bounce. Macrae had 1 bad year after 10 excellent years (stats below). For a player like him to come in at a cheaper price, allowing more salary cap allocation elsewhere, the club would be silly not to look at him. And if they're incapable thinking about how a player of his caliber can be utilised elsewhere on the field we certainly do have a problem with the football program.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-western-bulldogs--jackson-macrae

 

[manny100 1,384]

Macrae on, Hunter off?

[whatwhat say what 22,050]

13 minutes ago, ignition. said:

I wouldn't call ANB quick either, he has an excellent tank and running patterns. Macrae also has excellent tank, running patterns, as well as superb awareness and evasive skills.

My point is we've lost senior depth and certainly lack it with Billings (Macrae is a far superior upgrade to him). Likewise, he's a better player than Sparrow who also gets time at the centre bounce. Macrae had 1 bad year after 10 excellent years (stats below). For a player like him to come in at a cheaper price, allowing more salary cap allocation elsewhere, the club would be silly not to look at him. And if they're incapable thinking about how a player of his caliber can be utilised elsewhere on the field we certainly do have a problem with the football program.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-western-bulldogs--jackson-macrae

 

i think it's a moot point regardless, as it seems we're not in the conversation for him

all the talk seems to be that the cats are his most likely destination as they are prepared to take on his full wage and see him as a first rotation midfielder going forward

[ignition. 1,454]

5 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

i think it's a moot point regardless, as it seems we're not in the conversation for him

all the talk seems to be that the cats are his most likely destination as they are prepared to take on his full wage and see him as a first rotation midfielder going forward

Yeah, it does appear that way.

Will be interesting to see how the cats go* if they secure him and Smith. They are the masters of recycling their list and staying competitive*.

Edit *

Edited Thursday at 00:34 by ignition.

[Adam The God 29,267]

12 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

We’ve had a shortage of good picks and a shortage of picks full stop. The Swans have an insane knack of Gulden and Warner type wins, but they also burn a bunch of early picks. Geelong keep doing their thing and find hidden gems everywhere, sadly including Max Holmes who along with Dempsey are by far their best young players. Especially from those they actually drafted themselves.

But finding freakish talent late in the draft isn’t really a fair measurement. Overall development of young players is the least of our worries.

Gulden was an academy player. As was Heeney, as was Blakey, as was Mills. You know, like all their best players. 

[adonski 10,775]

Just now, Adam The God said:

Gulden was an academy player. As was Heeney, as was Blakey, as was Mills. You know, like all their best players. 

Most overrated recruiting in the comp is the Swans. Granted Warner was an amazing find at pick 38 (?)

[Adam The God 29,267]

Just now, adonski said:

Most overrated recruiting in the comp is the Swans. Granted Warner was an amazing find at pick 38 (?)

He was a good pick, wouldn't call him an amazing pick.

But yeah, agreed, academy access and COLA has kept them up.

Meanwhile, their coach and team consistently crumble on the big day or even for 3 quarters in qualifying finals too.

[DeeSpencer 24,675]

22 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

Gulden was an academy player. As was Heeney, as was Blakey, as was Mills. You know, like all their best players. 

They couldn’t match a bid for Gulden if it came early first round after matching Campbell and drafting McDonald. Replace him with Rowbottom if you like. Or McInerney. Those 2 are the supplemental high quality midfielders we really need.
 

The academy has been a huge leg up, their drafts run hot and cold and the bonus early picks have helped the hot. The point is they develop players really well, but so do we!

18 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

He was a good pick, wouldn't call him an amazing pick.

But yeah, agreed, academy access and COLA has kept them up.

Meanwhile, their coach and team consistently crumble on the big day or even for 3 quarters in qualifying finals too.

Not amazing? A top 10-15 player of the comp at 38??? 

Edited Thursday at 02:23 by DeeSpencer

[Adam The God 29,267]

3 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

They couldn’t match a bid for Gulden if it came early first round after matching Campbell and drafting McDonald. Replace him with Rowbottom if you like. Or McInerney. Those 2 are the supplemental high quality midfielders we really need.
 

The academy has been a huge leg up, their drafts run hot and cold and the bonus early picks have helped the hot. The point is they develop players really well, but so do we!

Not amazing? A top 10-15 player of the comp at 38??? 

I don't view him as a 10-15 player in the comp...

[alpha33 302]

On 10/09/2024 at 17:25, hemingway said:

Sadly, as others have pointed out, we will not be an attractive option for any player wanting to further their career in the immediate future. We have gone from roosters to feather dusters over the last few months. The damage  to our brand will take years to repair. 

Win a few games early next year and we're back to being roosters.

[Tolstoys Nudge 1,477]

21 hours ago, Adam The God said:

He was a good pick, wouldn't call him an amazing pick.

But yeah, agreed, academy access and COLA has kept them up.

Meanwhile, their coach and team consistently crumble on the big day or even for 3 quarters in qualifying finals too.

Warner NOT an amazing pick at 38? Sorry that’s a touch silly for me.. that’s an incredible get! Agree their drafting overall is academy based but in isolation that pick was brilliant.

[Tolstoys Nudge 1,477]

Macrae would be a good get for us and play a role week-in week-out and it surprises me we haven’t been seen as aggressive on this one but who knows, I still holdout a sneaky suspicion we could be a chance here. 
 

Not a game changer but a definite needs-based get if we went there — esp now Daniel seems to be staying. There’s still plenty of targets like Peatling to be done but more from finals teams as well, but our #1 strategy atm is definitely another top 15 pick in this bumper draft!

[spirit of norm smith 15,043]

I’m a definite NO NO NO for Macrae. I can see why posters might think he would be an asset.  But he’s lost his pace and his kicking is chip/up and under.  Too many $$$ on his contract even with some salary dumping by Dogs.  
 

@Tolstoys Nudge I agree that our #1 strategy atm is definitely another top 15 pick in this bumper draft! Future 1st is likely to be offerred up. 

[Demonland 70,170]

 

[dazzledavey36 52,656]

2 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

What does it say??

[BLWNBA 684]

10 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

What does it say??

It would mean St Kilda’s three-round pick, which currently sits at 43, looms as a possible offer for Macrae.

However, the Bulldogs will hold a whip hand in any negotiations with Macrae contracted for the next two years.

[Fat Tony 5,068]

12 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

What does it say??

 

Key points from the AFL trade and contract news:

• Jack Macrae (Western Bulldogs) has requested a trade; St Kilda is a possible destination, offering a mid-draft pick. Geelong is not interested.
• Bailey Smith is expected to join Geelong.
• Mitch Duncan may sign a one-year deal with Geelong, eyeing 300 games.
• Jason Johannisen (Western Bulldogs) hopes for a new one-year deal.
• Jack Darling (West Coast) may join North Melbourne.
• Tom Barrass (West Coast) is linked to a potential trade with Hawthorn, with two first-round picks in play
• Brandan Parfitt (Geelong) is looking for a new club.

• Josh Battle (St Kilda) is likely to leave, with St Kilda aiming for free agency compensation.
• Liam Baker and Jack Graham could join West Coast.
• Harry Perryman and James Peatling (GWS) are also being eyed by several clubs.
• Jake Kolodjashnij is expected to sign a two-year extension with Geelong.
• Shaun Mannagh (Geelong) will be out of contract at the end of next year.

• Gary Rohan, Jed Bews, Rhys Stanley (Geelong): All are off-contract at the end of the season.
• Zach Tuohy (Geelong): Set to retire.
• Patrick Dangerfield (Geelong): Needs a new deal, likely after the season.
• Lawson Humphries (Geelong): Close to a new multi-year extension.
• Alex Keath, Dom Bedendo, Kelsey Rypstra, Lachie McNeil, Taylor Duryea (Western Bulldogs): Waiting on contract decisions.

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14 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

 

Key points from the AFL trade and contract news:

• Jack Macrae (Western Bulldogs) has requested a trade; St Kilda is a possible destination, offering a mid-draft pick. Geelong is not interested.
• Bailey Smith is expected to join Geelong.
• Mitch Duncan may sign a one-year deal with Geelong, eyeing 300 games.
• Jason Johannisen (Western Bulldogs) hopes for a new one-year deal.
• Jack Darling (West Coast) may join North Melbourne.
• Tom Barrass (West Coast) is linked to a potential trade with Hawthorn, with two first-round picks in play
• Brandan Parfitt (Geelong) is looking for a new club.

• Josh Battle (St Kilda) is likely to leave, with St Kilda aiming for free agency compensation.
• Liam Baker and Jack Graham could join West Coast.
• Harry Perryman and James Peatling (GWS) are also being eyed by several clubs.
• Jake Kolodjashnij is expected to sign a two-year extension with Geelong.
• Shaun Mannagh (Geelong) will be out of contract at the end of next year.

• Gary Rohan, Jed Bews, Rhys Stanley (Geelong): All are off-contract at the end of the season.
• Zach Tuohy (Geelong): Set to retire.
• Patrick Dangerfield (Geelong): Needs a new deal, likely after the season.
• Lawson Humphries (Geelong): Close to a new multi-year extension.
• Alex Keath, Dom Bedendo, Kelsey Rypstra, Lachie McNeil, Taylor Duryea (Western Bulldogs): Waiting on contract decisions.

FT Duryea was announced this week a one year extension with Dogs. 

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I didn't even rate Macrae when he was making All-Australian teams. Acculmates but doesn't damage damage with his disposals. I've never watched a Dogs game and thought "geez Macrae has been good tonight". There were always other players with more impact.

[Jaded No More 67,563]

I don't think he brings anything different to the table, but to be fair at pick 43ish he's excellent depth and injury cover, and we desperately need more midfield depth.

The problem is, he doesn't want to be a depth player, and so he will go somewhere where he can get a regular gig, which is fair enough. 

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,831]

16 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

I don't think he brings anything different to the table, but to be fair at pick 43ish he's excellent depth and injury cover, and we desperately need more midfield depth.

The problem is, he doesn't want to be a depth player, and so he will go somewhere where he can get a regular gig, which is fair enough. 

Excellent depth at what contract value???? Its a no for me based on the combo of our need, his need and even if draft cheap the salary impact. 

[spirit of norm smith 15,043]

Macrae is a NO. He’s now slow and still kicks up and under. Dogs know he’s in the decline.  Has years in contract at big $$&. It’s NO !!! 

[Romey 148]

It’s a yes for me.  A straight swap for Brayshaw.