Trac’s 2024 Season Over

[Kick_It_To_Pickett 3,075]

2 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

Darcy’s offered him dinner?! How lovely!

Full page spread on what a good bloke Moore is in tomorrow’s Sun. Only one who cares about Tracc. He has invited Maynard, who is bringing flowers and the wine. Best blokes ever

[dimmy 1,187]

On 11/06/2024 at 21:16, Watson11 said:

The AFL should be getting some heat.  In the NFL, every stadium has medical imaging, and some teams bring their own.  X-Ray and ultrasound mainly. With ultrasound, a doctor can pick up internal bleeding with 90% accuracy and punctured lungs with 97-100% accuracy.  And a portable x-ray would find broken ribs in 2 minutes.

If any good should come of Tracc’s incident it should be that the AFL makes it into the 21st century. They have enough money to make sure of players welfare. 

 

Yes, when Public Health is fully & appropriately funded.  Next it will be a cry for one of these machines at every footy ground in Australia. Let's get real !!!

Trac is in good hands (thank heavens) and the Epworth is only a short drive from the MCG. We do have a health system.

[roy11 3,142]

11 minutes ago, gregdemon said:

Still no excuse for sending him back on    

See i am in 2 minds about this.

Dr Peter Brukner a person with medical training was not overly critical of the decision of him going back on, He said the diagnosis is hard to make initially and praised us for making the call when it seemingly got worse.  

But I a person with no medical training sent a msg to a friend saying "I think Trac is dead" as he was slowly making his way off the field. You could tell he was in a bad way. 

 

 

[Undeeterred 2,908]

5 minutes ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

Full page spread on what a good bloke Moore is in tomorrow’s Sun. Only one who cares about Tracc. He has invited Maynard, who is bringing flowers and the wine. Best blokes ever

Pr!cks

[Watson11 1,969]

15 minutes ago, dimmy said:

Yes, when Public Health is fully & appropriately funded.  Next it will be a cry for one of these machines at every footy ground in Australia. Let's get real !!!

Trac is in good hands (thank heavens) and the Epworth is only a short drive from the MCG. We do have a health system.

The AFL can afford it, and club doctors should have better information when deciding if players can go back onto the field.  It’s unfair on club doctors to poke and prod to make a decision.

Let’s look at it another way.  Trac got a knee in the ribs and it was just a bruise.  Do you seriously think he can get to the Epworth, get a scan, and be back on the ground in the second qtr.  Let’s get real!!  Trac mentioned he had his scan at 8-9pm that night.  

 

[Demonsone 1,736]

Silence is deafening from our club 

[chookrat 3,851]

44 minutes ago, Watson11 said:

The AFL can afford it, and club doctors should have better information when deciding if players can go back onto the field.  It’s unfair on club doctors to poke and prod to make a decision.

Let’s look at it another way.  Trac got a knee in the ribs and it was just a bruise.  Do you seriously think he can get to the Epworth, get a scan, and be back on the ground in the second qtr.  Let’s get real!!  Trac mentioned he had his scan at 8-9pm that night.  

 

But the club doctors are sports doctors and not radiologists. They rely on the radiologists doing the scans to report on what they find, and so unless the AFL is able to also have a panel full of specialists at every game waiting by the machines there isn't much point.

Another thing I'd like to add is that the majority of diagnosis are made based on how the patient is feeling supported by MRI's, ultrasounds etc to try and identify what is happening inside the body. In many cases the problems do not show up on the scans and are easily overlooked unless the person knows what they are looking for. As an example Mason Cox had a lacerated spleen which the radiologist did not pick up on during scans the day after his injury. They only picked up on it 4 days later when he presented to his doctor with symptoms consistent with a lacerated spleen and internal bleeding.

Edited June 17 by chookrat

[monoccular 16,604]

On 13/06/2024 at 18:19, Demonsone said:

The filth have taken out 2 of our best ,within 2 games!  it’s about time for payback in rd 24, grow some & take out a few, especially if we are not playing finals 

Whether or not we are playing finals, we don’t need players suspended for round 1 (or round zero; maybe the AFL will, in their infinite wisdom, call it round munis 1. 🙄).   Remember Kozzie missed round 0 this year, and we surely and sorely missed him. 

On 13/06/2024 at 19:34, chookrat said:

I read the news that Trac is out for the season to mean he is not expected to be available for home amd away matches. Let’s see how he goes over the coming weeks and if he returns to light duties in the rebah group in the next 3 - 4 weeks or is out for longer. In any case it’s a positive that he didn't have his spleen removed and is out of intensive care.

Do we know whether he did or didn’t have his spleen removed. See below.

10 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

This should shut up the smart alec, uninformed commentators in the media.

petracca-describes-traumatic-internal-injuries

It took two lots of scans to detect anything more than two cracked ribs. 

"I don’t think we all understood the severity of it, to be honest. I think we got an initial scan around 8pm (or) 9pm. The first scan showed two cracked ribs, and then just a little bit of bleeding around the lung,” Petracca told Nova radio station.

“I don’t know what happened. I think 15 minutes later one of the doctors was just checking my blood levels and noticed my haemoglobin was dropping severely, and my blood levels were dropping. So I [had] another scan, and that’s when they noticed on the next scan I had four cracked ribs, a grade-five spleen [laceration] and a punctured lung, too".

“It went from being a four out of 10, to basically a 10 out of 10 – equivalent to a car accident. It seemed pretty full on. I had to go straight into surgery at 2am; open surgery. I wasn’t under anaesthetic because my blood levels were so low.”

There is no way anyone could have known the extent of the injury at the ground so any criticism of our doctors for letting him play on is completely unfounded.

Can't see it happening but Whately, Purple et all owe our doctors an apology. 

Unimaginable what Petracca has gone through especially having surgery without anesthetic albeit being 'gassed up'.  A very brave and tough person.  

May soon elevate him to 'Hero' status in my eyes.

“I had to go straight into surgery at 2am; open surgery. I wasn’t under anaesthetic because my blood levels were so low.”

This sounds very strange and there are surely some missing pieces. I have never seen (or done)  open abdominal surgery without anaesthesia even in dire emergencies.  If he actually had “open surgery” on his abdomen he will be pushing to get ready for the start of 2025.  
 

30 minutes ago, chookrat said:

But the club doctors are sports doctors and not radiologists. They rely on the radiologists doing the scans to report on what they find, and so unless the AFL is able to also have a panel full of specialists at every game waiting by the machines there isn't much point.

Another thing I'd like to add is that the majority of diagnosis are made based on how the patient is feeling supported by MRI's, ultrasounds etc to try and identify what is happening inside the body. In many cases the problems do not show up on the scans and are easily overlooked unless the person knows what they are looking for. As an example Mason Cox had a lacerated spleen which the radiologist did not pick up on during scans the day after his injury. They only picked up on it 4 days later when he presented to his doctor with symptoms consistent with a lacerated spleen and internal bleeding.

Club doctors need to make clinical decisions, which involves the history of and from the patient, and hands on touch, feel, listen. There is always patient input in this.  And diagnoses are always subject to periodical review.  Some may be adept at “bedside ultrasound” but this is very operator dependent and in this case wouldn’t have been of much help - note that the first CT some 4 hours post injury failed to show his splenic injury. 

As far as radiological assessment of scans is concerned, this can be achieved almost instantaneously remotely.  This happens almost everywhere all the time : reports come from the UK (or USA or other English speaking first world health system countries) overnight  when our radiologists are sound asleep, and vice versa.  
But the technology of achieving a quality scan depends on good well maintained equipment, and a competent radiographer who would need to be immediately available on site.  Unlikely to be achievable at every AFL ground for every game.  It is not as if there is a glut of radiographers who would only rarely be used for a CT scan.

 Especially as they are too tight assed to spend a few hundred bucks on goal line technology. 

Edited June 17 by monoccular

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3 hours ago, monoccular said:

Do we know whether he did or didn’t have his spleen removed.

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He said needs various vaccinations.  I'm not an MBBS/the right sort of doctor but guidelines after spleenectomy/embolisation/<50% perfused spleen say that a bunch of new vaccinations are needed (meningococcal, pneumococcal, Haemophilus influenzae).   The length of recovery time also suggests a pretty bad injury.

But this is all speculation.

I hope he's doing okay mentally.  It's going to be hard going from being super active to not doing much at all.  Once he's feeling better physically, he's going to struggle if he relies on movement to help his mental health.

[picket fence 15,738]

16 hours ago, sue said:

Our docs didn't have high-tech scanning equipment but even the hospital which did have them got it wrong initially.  

Why should you in your hotel room know better?  Does your daughter often diagnose without seeing the patient?  Of course it looked very bad, but we've seen that sort of thing before, and while the player may not end up playing out the game, they don't often end up in ICU.

I foolishly though the report about what initially happened at the hospital would have quietened the keyboard doctors on here. Seems I was wrong.

Never heard of a Telehealth appiontment Sue??

[sue 8,596]

29 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Never heard of a Telehealth appiontment Sue??

Yes I have, but I'll be blowed if I can understand why that would be relevant in a case like this. 

Tele-heath doc:  How are you feeling - you look in pain. What are your symptoms?"

Patient:  It hurts a lot down there. 

Tele-healthh doc: I'll just hook you up to my combined virtual x-ray, MRI and UltraSound machine and diagnose you then. Hang on a jiffy....

[old dee 23,256]

On 13/06/2024 at 19:34, chookrat said:

I read the news that Trac is out for the season to mean he is not expected to be available for home amd away matches. Lets see how he goes over the coming weeks and if he returns to light duties in the rebah group in the next 3 - 4 weeks or is out for longer. In any case its a positive that he didn't have his spleen removed and is out of intensive care.

With broken ribs and a punched lung I double he will do anything this side of October. Those injuries don't heal fast not to mention his ruptured Spleen.

[Fritta and Turner 3,886]

13 hours ago, Grr-owl said:

Must be that bloke in the Glenhuntly shops... or else there's a network of them.

Wow.  Are you stalking me?  🙂

 

[jnrmac 19,485]

I am more concerned with Tracc's comments that he has been spooked by this and couldn't watch any games over the weekend. etc.
 

The body will likely heal but the mental scares could well end up being worse.

[old dee 23,256]

All those who think the club is beyond reproach on this issue should read the latest. His family is far from happy with how this was handled.

I complained to the club. Today they contacted me and simply said how this was handled will not happen again. There was no effort to try and justify what happened.  I am happy that they did not try to justify the decisions that were taken.

[jnrmac 19,485]

3 hours ago, picket fence said:

Never heard of a Telehealth appiontment Sue??

You're clutching at straws here

 

What is a doctor over the phone going to do that a doctor on the spot can't do. Seriously bad take.

[jnrmac 19,485]

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[Jack Vineys Anger Manager 207]

Reports that our best player, our only Norm Smith Medalist, future captain and his family,  are not happy with the club.
Yet the club remains silent. No statement, nothing.

They must be busy.

[sue 8,596]

48 minutes ago, old dee said:

All those who think the club is beyond reproach on this issue should read the latest. His family is far from happy with how this was handled.

I complained to the club. Today they contacted me and simply said how this was handled will not happen again. There was no effort to try and justify what happened.  I am happy that they did not try to justify the decisions that were taken.

Just because the family (is reported to be) not happy, does not mean it was handled badly.  

[DeelightfulPlay 2,319]

16 hours ago, adonski said:

Trac sounds like a diva

Trac posted on his social media and discussed in one of the recent interviews he did that the doctors at MFC did what they could and he doesn't blame them.  Whether his family agree with Trac's public statements or not is another thing, but Trac has certainly not been a diva about almost dying.  

So many posters (not saying you, necessarily, adonski, but certainly plenty in this thread and elsewhere after our losses) on here are warped in the head - requiring players to be hard as nails, spouting all sorts of toxic ideals... then when Trac almost dies because of trying to tough things out, baying for the blood of the club alongside the rest of the media. 

[picket fence 15,738]

1 hour ago, sue said:

Just because the family (is reported to be) not happy, does not mean it was handled badly.  

You must be kidding!,??

[whatwhat say what 20,327]

2 hours ago, Jack Vineys Anger Manager said:

Reports that our best player, our only Norm Smith Medalist, future captain and his family,  are not happy with the club.
Yet the club remains silent. No statement, nothing.

They must be busy.

too busy jumping at shadows

[old dee 23,256]

5 minutes ago, picket fence said:

You must be kidding!,??

Some cannot see the forest for the trees pf.  It was handled poorly IMO and from my contact with club this was not denied. 

[sue 8,596]

54 minutes ago, picket fence said:

You must be kidding!,??

No, I'm not.  I was just saying that it does not logically follow that just because a parent (allegedly) believes something, that that something is true.    Doesn't require an advanced degree in logic to see that.

 

46 minutes ago, old dee said:

Some cannot see the forest for the trees pf.  It was handled poorly IMO and from my contact with club this was not denied. 

Care to share with us exactly word for word what the club said and the position of who it was.  Not that I don't trust you OD, but you do have a reputation for finding the downside in almost anything.  (Also 'not denied', could just mean "I'm not bothered/instructed to not argue with people who contact the club".)

Look, for all I know, it was not handled well. But the evidence that the hospital with all its equipment got it wrong initially, tends to indicate to me that the MFC quacks were not particularly negligent.

Edited June 18 by sue

[old dee 23,256]

36 minutes ago, sue said:

No, I'm not.  I was just saying that it does not logically follow that just because a parent (allegedly) believes something, that that something is true.    Doesn't require an advanced degree in logic to see that.

 

Care to share with us exactly word for word what the club said and the position of who it was.  Not that I don't trust you OD, but you do have a reputation for finding the downside in almost anything.  (Also 'not denied', could just mean "I'm not bothered/instructed to not argue with people who contact the club".)

Look, for all I know, it was not handled well. But the evidence that the hospital with all its equipment got it wrong initially, tends to indicate to me that the MFC quacks were not particularly negligent.

I am hopeful that you don't think I made it up to suit my view! On the Tuesday morning I sent the club an email criticising the decision to send the player back on. Today they rang me. Believe it or not. As for negatives I have never been an accept every decision the club makes person. They make errors like everyone. I remember being called negative about the Weid. I was right.