PREGAME: Rd 07 vs Richmond

[Demonstone 19,198]

If the baby has arrived, that shouldn't stop Kossy playing.

However, it might explain why @kev martin didn't spot him at training last week.

[Redleg 37,618]

57 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Let me outline Yze's game plan.

1. Don't kick it high into the Richmond fwd line

2. Chip the ball into the fwd line. Dirty balls work well against the Dees.

3. Avoid May and Lever

4. Pressure them relentlessly and watch them crumble

5. Avoid May and Lever

6. Jump into Gawn's back at every single opportunity. Hold him scragg him - he never gets a free so don't worry

7. Shake Olivers hand really hard at the start of the game. Give him lots of high fives

8. Avoid May and Lever.

9 Above all and if you have forgotten everything else, avoid May and Lever

Our game plan should be don't let Bolton touch the footy.

[jnrmac 18,980]

2 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Our game plan should be don't let Bolton touch the footy.

Goodwin doesn't tag so will be hard

[M_9 1,665]

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

We have just had a 13 day break and will then have a 10 day break. Now is not the time to give Max a chop out.

It's not about giving Max a chop out.
Rather it's the fact that our following two opponents (Cats and Blues) have genuine ruck combos - Stanley/Conway and Pittonet/TdK.

And I'll repeat myself - JvR is either a KPP learning his craft, or part time forward and back up ruckman. 
I have no problem with Roo taking the ruck contests in the forward line as BBB has done, and that may still happen.

[DubDee 20,674]

Only 2 days til game day!!!!

[binman 38,165]

1 hour ago, Gawndy the Great said:

Expecting a wet forecast based on BOM's outlook.

It might be ok:

Cloudy. High chance of showers, most likely in the morning and afternoon.

[binman 38,165]

1 hour ago, M_9 said:

It's not about giving Max a chop out.
Rather it's the fact that our following two opponents (Cats and Blues) have genuine ruck combos - Stanley/Conway and Pittonet/TdK.

And I'll repeat myself - JvR is either a KPP learning his craft, or part time forward and back up ruckman. 
I have no problem with Roo taking the ruck contests in the forward line as BBB has done, and that may still happen.

JVR is not a part time forward as he is only takes aprox 10% of ruck contests. That's bugger all in the scheme of things.

Take the Lions game. Max took 96 ruck contests and Rooey only 10 (and no other player took any). 

Whilst i agree i'd prefer him to not have to take any, and just focus on his forward craft, two lessons from the Gawndy experiment were Maxy as part time forward doesn't work, as he is never going to become a natural forward, and he plays his best footy when he basically rucks solo.

On the latter point, Maxy can only do so much rucking becuase he is so incredibly fit. I take your point about the cats and blues both having decent ruck combos. But their number one rucks - Stanley and Pittonet - are levels below maxy. And Conway and De Koning are even more levels below.

Maxy taking 90% of ruck contest creates a real issue for oppo coaches - when do they give their number one ruck a chop out?

No other ruck is as fit and athletic as Maxy. Take Pittonet. Can he go with Maxy? I don't think so, at least not for 90% of ruck contests. So when does Voss rest him?

Lets say he can only take 80% of ruck contests. That would mean De Koning going up against Max in 10% of ruck contests, which gives us an edge.  

As an example of what i mean this is the Lions ruck numbers when we played them:

Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.
Oscar McInerney	87	26	8
Joe Daniher	13	1	0
Darcy Gardiner	2	0	0
Eric Hipwood	5	0	0

(Note: probably a bad example in the sense that we got smashed at stoppages, but there were other factors at play and Maxy's hitouts to advantage were bang on his season average). 

Edited April 22 by binman

[Roost it far 6,166]

I really hope either Turner or Fullarton play

[Roost it far 6,166]

1 minute ago, binman said:

JVR is not a part time forward as he is only takes aprox 10% of ruck contests. That's bugger all in the scheme of things.

Take the Lions game. Max took 96 ruck contests and Rooey only 10 (and no other player took any). 

Whilst i agree i'd prefer him to not have to take any, and just focus on his forward craft, two the lessons from the Gawndy experiment were Maxy as part time for wad doesn't work as he is never going to become a natural forward and he plays his best footy when he basically rucks solo.

On the latter point, Maxy can only do so much rucking becuase he is so incredibly fit. I take your point about the cats and blues both having decent ruck combos. But their number one rucks - Stanley and Pittonet - are levels below maxy. And Conway and De Koning are even more levels below.

Maxy taking 90% of ruck contest creates a real issue for oppo coaches - when do they give their number one ruck a chop out?

No other ruck is as fit and athletic as Maxy. Take Pittonet. Can he go with Maxy? I don't think so, at least not for 90% of ruck contests. So when does Voss rest him? Lets say he can only take 80% of ruck contests. That would mean De Koning going up against Max in 10% of ruck contests, which gives us an edge.  

As an example of what i mean this is the Lions ruck numbers when we played them:

Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.
Oscar McInerney	87	26	8
Joe Daniher	13	1	0
Darcy Gardiner	2	0	0
Eric Hipwood	5	0	0

(Note: probably a bad example in the sense that we got smashed at stoppages, but there were other factors at play and Maxy's hitouts to advantage were bang on his season average). 

When TDK rucked against Max last year he more than held his own. The point is Max can’t play 90% game time for the rest of the year and hit finals at peak. 

[Young Angus 305]

I just hope Kolt keeps his spot

[Demon Dynasty 15,507]

1 hour ago, Roost it far said:

I really hope either Turner or Fullarton play

100%.

I'd argue both are ready to go and as fit or possibly more (match ready) than both Petty & BBB based on their last few outings.

Turner for Petty

Fullarton for BBB

Marty in for Clarry (to cover Rivers)

Rivers into the middle

 

 

[Roost it far 6,166]

1 minute ago, Demon Dynasty said:

100%.

I'd argue both are ready to go and as fit or possibly more (match ready) than both Petty & BBB based on their last few outings.

Turner for Petty

Fullarton for BBB

Marty in for Clarry (to cover Rivers)

Rivers into the middle

 

 

Petty and Oliver should play. If Oliver can’t hurt his finger play him. 

[Diamond_Jim 11,775]

Regulation win coming up in the scheme of things. Fullarton to be tried and BBB rested.

Seven weeks to the mid season bye. Need to go 5-2 minimum

[Smokey 4,126]

1 hour ago, Young Angus said:

I just hope Kolt keeps his spot

I loved the way he went about it when he debuted but for mine is a bit underdone. The potential is clearly there though 

[monoccular 16,076]

3 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

 

In December they announced the pregnancy but I thought the due date was in June. Maybe she was further along than we thought. 🤷‍♀️ 

... or premature, which could explain any extended absence ?

[M_9 1,665]

1 hour ago, binman said:

......

Lets say he can only take 80% of ruck contests. That would mean De Koning going up against Max in 10% of ruck contests, which gives us an edge.  

As an example of what i mean this is the Lions ruck numbers when we played them:

Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.
Oscar McInerney	87	26	8
Joe Daniher	13	1	0
Darcy Gardiner	2	0	0
Eric Hipwood	5	0	0

(Note: probably a bad example in the sense that we got smashed at stoppages, but there were other factors at play and Maxy's hitouts to advantage were bang on his season average). 

It's not a bad example because almost every game Max plays he dominates the hitouts but we lose the clearances or they're close to even. That was the case in the two games we lost to Carlton last year.

I wasn't suggesting Max rest forward. He appears to be resting on the bench or spending very short stints across half back whilst JvR rucks forward of centre.

JvR is listed as 96kg. Witts, Briggs and Pittonet are listed as 107, 108 and 110kg respectively.

JvR can't be expected to alternate, albeit for short periods, between CHF and ruck where he's competing against men 10, 11 or 12kg heavier (and taller, and stronger).

Yes, I know he may be up against the opposition's second string ruckman, but not always.
And if Max goes down, then what?

I'd prefer to blood Fullerton this week rather than against strong and experienced opposition.

The alternative is to wait until the Eagles game (and that match might be tougher than we thought 2 weeks ago).

[Dee*ceiving 912]

I would agree with other posters, now is the time to try Fullarton (assuming he's ahead of Verrall). 

We get a look at him, give BBB another week off and can hopefully manage Max's workload ahead of a big fortnight. 

If TF plays well he stays in, we've got another string to our bow and a range KPP combinations to consider for the Cats/Blues games. If he struggles we go back to BBB with JVR back up ruck. 

[BScotti 112]

it will be interesting to see if Goody makes many changes or if he takes the view the team were simply tired fro 1st 6 games and travel (whichseems to be a trend of other teams due to AFL scheduling).  thoughts are:

Out - BBB (needs a rest), Salem (inj), Kolstrup 

In - Fullerton, Hore (if fit - Turner otherwise), Picket.

Borderline - Billings (has been poor) - McAdam ready?  (probably come back via 2's?)

[layzie 28,767]

This is the week for Fullarton me thinks. 

I would also look at getting Rivers into midfield. Plenty of one-pacers in the Tiges midfield to be exploited.

[Demon Dynasty 15,507]

40 minutes ago, M_9 said:

It's not a bad example because almost every game Max plays he dominates the hitouts but we lose the clearances or they're close to even. That was the case in the two games we lost to Carlton last year.

I wasn't suggesting Max rest forward. He appears to be resting on the bench or spending very short stints across half back whilst JvR rucks forward of centre.

JvR is listed as 96kg. Witts, Briggs and Pittonet are listed as 107, 108 and 110kg respectively.

JvR can't be expected to alternate, albeit for short periods, between CHF and ruck where he's competing against men 10, 11 or 12kg heavier (and taller, and stronger).

Yes, I know he may be up against the opposition's second string ruckman, but not always.
And if Max goes down, then what?

I'd prefer to blood Fullerton this week rather than against strong and experienced opposition.

The alternative is to wait until the Eagles game (and that match might be tougher than we thought 2 weeks ago).

Couldn't agree more sir.

These are the ideal matches (and vs North) to trial Turner / Fullarton & Rivers (into the middle until Clarry is 90% - 100%).

If Clarry's hand is even 70% after having an opp roughly one week ago i'll eat my hat.  I'll believe he's right to go when the glove comes off.

[WalkingCivilWar 31,918]

1 hour ago, monoccular said:

... or premature, which could explain any extended absence ?

That thought crossed my mind last night. I couldn’t understand why he’d have to miss Wednesday night’s match. I just hope they’re all ok. 

[WalkingCivilWar 31,918]

4 hours ago, Demonstone said:

If the baby has arrived, that shouldn't stop Kossy playing.

However, it might explain why @kev martin didn't spot him at training last week.

But it was suggested on here that Kozzy might be unavailable for this Wednesday’s match. If the baby was born last week or on the weekend just gone, he should be available, unless of course there’s complications or the like. 

[WalkingCivilWar 31,918]

3 hours ago, binman said:

It might be ok:

Cloudy. High chance of showers, most likely in the morning and afternoon.

So it’ll be [censored] down at 7:25pm then. 😝

#BringYourPonchos

[Demon Dynasty 15,507]

1 hour ago, Dee*ceiving said:

I would agree with other posters, now is the time to try Fullarton (assuming he's ahead of Verrall). 

He's not competing with Verral imv Dee.

Fullarton's a mostly KF type bit part ruck a la the role we're attempting to have Roo play.

He has height on his side though and is as good as Roo in the ruck dept imho which isn't saying much i realise but you just want a contest.  You don't have to have back up rucks dominating or winning most of the hit outs as such.  Just neautralise as much as possible while Max is resting.

Im not saying Fullarton would necessarily be more successful either vs Roo but having him in means we now have a 2 meter back up to Max (vs Roo 194cm) allowing a young / developing Roo to focus on what he needs to do best which is a KF crashing packs, pressuring as best as poss at ground level and also just bringing high balls to the deck if he is out of the contest.

As much as i like BBB as the leading forward (when fully up and about, which he is not.... he's being nursed just to make it on the field each week) he doesn't offer the versatility that Fullarton potentially brings for Max AND Roo.  Fullarton also matches BBB in the height dept at 200cm.

There will also (highly likely) be no BBB in 2025.  We have to start prepping for that and seeing who on our present list is capable ...or not!

No better time than these sort of games (against severely depleted oppo) to do just that.

Edited April 22 by Demon Dynasty

[Dee Boys 240]

23 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

He's not competing with Verral imv Dee.

Fullarton's a mostly KF type bit part ruck a la the role we're attempting to have Roo play.

He has height on his side though and is as good as Roo in the ruck dept imho which isn't saying much i realise but you just want a contest.  You don't have to have back up rucks dominating or winning most of the hit outs as such.  Just neautralise as much as possible while Max is resting.

Im not saying Fullarton would necessarily be more successful either vs Roo but having him in means we now have a 2 meter back up to Max (vs Roo 194cm) allowing a young / developing Roo to focus on what he needs to do best which is a KF crashing packs, pressuring as best as poss at ground level and also just bringing high balls to the deck if he is out of the contest.

As much as i like BBB as the leading forward (when fully up and about, which he is not.... he's being nursed just to make it on the field each week) he doesn't offer the versatility that Fullarton potentially brings for Max AND Roo.  Fullarton also matches BBB in the height dept at 200cm.

There will also (highly likely) be no BBB in 2025.  We have to start prepping for that and seeing who on our present list is capable ...or not!

No better time than these sort of games (against severely depleted oppo) to do just that.

Fullarton a key forward type? He’s kicked 6 goals from 19 games.

I’m struggling to understand the clamour for his inclusion. He’s never shown anything at AFL level to suggest he should be anything more than a backup. 

As @binman said, we only need someone to take about 10% of ruck contests. JVR is that man and is also a dangerous forward. Fullarton could also take 10% of ruck contests but is not a dangerous forward.