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18 hours ago, deebunked said:

Brayshaw is a young man with a uni degree. He's retiring from footy not life.. He'll get a well paid MonFri job easily. Why compensation?  For what?

AFL/tribunal found Maynards act was legal.

Case closed. Its disgusting what happened but no-one in the AFL cares.

Brayshaw knew the risks but underestimated Collingwood.

I believe Brayshaw was set up in the QF. Maynard elevated himself straight at Brayshaws head.

CEO tricky Gil hid under his desk that week. Maynatd was always getting off.

Its all over now.

Angus is prime for a job in the media don't worry uncle will get him in

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I don’t think it’ll be too far off that when a player like Brayshaw is forced to retire the club will receive a draft pick in return. He’s worth a top 10 pick but I’d be happy with an end of first round as I think giving away top picks damages the integrity of the draft. He’s a huge loss for the club and the timing is terrible.

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20 hours ago, Superunknown said:

We should be pressing very very very hard and in a robust fashion for compo

We (wrongly in my view) played the good corp citizen at the time and let the AFL run a wet lettuce prosecution and said nothing in the media, so they owe us

I feel like we may be positioning for this as the media statement is very very clear about this being consequent to the QF knock specifically and not the cumulative effects (noting he’d been ok for 6 years). 
 

I wonder if we might be mentioning potential legal action . That’s what I’d be doing

The AFL isn't wary of our fan base the way they are of Collingwood's/Essendon's/etc.

Nor are any journos going to rile up the masses with op-eds demanding compo.

No way we'll get any compo.

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20 hours ago, Its Time for Another said:

I'd say we'll be getting nothing for Agnus. Unlikely to get much for Angus as well. Maynard should be held responsible but of course wasn't. 

Read today's article by Peter Ryan in the Age.

Sums up Angus beautifully, but also refers to mayanard having to carry the load for this decsion by Angus and maynard's action.

IMO, Brayshaw is and will be all class and revered into the future. I know I will.

mayard is now a footnote/stain on AFL history (along with the Tribunal members who found him not guilty). A much bigger lifetime burden to carry than a lousy 3 week suspension he should have been handed.

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How long until clubs and or the AFL are forced to pay out these contracts. He’s owed like $3million I believe. An in game incident leaves him out of pocket. It’s very likely he’s going to need ongoing expensive medical care especially in older age. Who’s paying for that? 

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Given this an AFL directive through their medical team to retire him, the timing of this has impacted a club severely and the AFL should simply give us another 7-14 days, to take a replacement if we want to.

They have done this, not Gus. It is the AFL's timing.

Are we saying they got the medical report only on wednesday. Highly unlikely, as medical people would have had to meet and discuss it.

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8 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

How long until clubs and or the AFL are forced to pay out these contracts. He’s owed like $3million I believe. An in game incident leaves him out of pocket. It’s very likely he’s going to need ongoing expensive medical care especially in older age. Who’s paying for that? 

Tom Morris said he would receive every cent, it's just a question of who pays, club, AFL or Insurer, or a combination.

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SO let me get this right

Maynard takes Angus out on purpose

Tribunal oks it and excuses Maynard

Angus trains hard and recovers and is available to play on

AFL then force Angus to retire

Maynard continues his illustrious career

Something doesn't add up  Has the AFL retired any other player in this way?

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25 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

How long until clubs and or the AFL are forced to pay out these contracts. He’s owed like $3million I believe. An in game incident leaves him out of pocket. It’s very likely he’s going to need ongoing expensive medical care especially in older age. Who’s paying for that? 

The upcoming class action lawsuit against the AFL.

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17 hours ago, Superunknown said:

Gracious and humble, with perspective. 
 

Can you imagine that from Maynard? Nup. If he had an inch of compassion he’d be penning a public apology. 

Maynard should not make a public apology. That would just be analysed and picked apart. He should, however, make private contact with Brayshaw to extend best wishes for Angus's future. He may have already done so. The secret of being classy is to have done it when no-one (other than Brayshaw) knows you've done it.

 

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32 minutes ago, Kent said:

SO let me get this right

Maynard takes Angus out on purpose

Tribunal oks it and excuses Maynard

Angus trains hard and recovers and is available to play on

AFL then force Angus to retire

Maynard continues his illustrious career

Something doesn't add up  Has the AFL retired any other player in this way?

Yes. It is becoming a lot more common and there will be a lot more players being retired.

I would be very surprised if Nathan Murphy is allowed to play on.

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3 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Maynard should not make a public apology. That would just be analysed and picked apart. He should, however, make private contact with Brayshaw to extend best wishes for Angus's future. He may have already done so. The secret of being classy is to have done it when no-one (other than Brayshaw) knows you've done it.

 

and the 10 journos who your club has lined up to video it.

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41 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Given this an AFL directive through their medical team to retire him, the timing of this has impacted a club severely and the AFL should simply give us another 7-14 days, to take a replacement if we want to.

They have done this, not Gus. It is the AFL's timing.

Are we saying they got the medical report only on wednesday. Highly unlikely, as medical people would have had to meet and discuss it.

Is that true?  All I've seen is Angus saying it was his decision.

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32 minutes ago, sue said:

Is that true?  All I've seen is Angus saying it was his decision.

i would guess that the management of this situation had a lot of involvement from club and AFL HQ. 

His medical team advised him to stop playing on the basis of the most recent scans. The AFL in no way sat idle in the background and not have their say. Had Gus elected to ignore the advice, i believe the AFL would have stepped in and revoked his playing license. 

I think there would have been a lot of compromises made on both sides but ultimately:

1. Gus would take full payment of contract (likely by club and AFL) and guaranteed coverage of all medical expenses and some other bells and whistles. 

2. Club would be exempt from TPP implications as a result of the immediate payout.

3. AFL would have asked for some legal assurances of no legal action from Gus now or in future as a result of the QF incident. 

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10 minutes ago, Gawndy the Great said:

i would guess that the management of this situation had a lot of involvement from club and AFL HQ. 

His medical team advised him to stop playing on the basis of the most recent scans. The AFL in no way sat idle in the background and not have their say. Had Gus elected to ignore the advice, i believe the AFL would have stepped in and revoked his playing license. 

I think there would have been a lot of compromises made on both sides but ultimately:

1. Gus would take full payment of contract (likely by club and AFL) and guaranteed coverage of all medical expenses and some other bells and whistles. 

2. Club would be exempt from TPP implications as a result of the immediate payout.

3. AFL would have asked for some legal assurances of no legal action from Gus now or in future as a result of the QF incident. 

But that's all, as you say, your 'guess'.   i have heard in ABC radio them say he has been forced to retire by the AFL.  And a couple of posters here have said that too, but I cannot find any statement from the AFL saying that and Gus said it was his decision. Anyone....?

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Should Angus be financially compensated absolutely. But in no way should Melbourne be paying it or wearing it in our cap. Unfortunately through no fault of ours Angus is no longer an employee of the Melbourne Football Club. The Melbourne Football Club exercised its duty of care on and for Angus, the AFL did not. This on them and should be coming out of league coffers.

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jon ralph, who tends to just re-write media releases, says that the afl - unsurprisingly - doesn't have a protocol to deal with a player medically retired with a significant amount of time left upon their deal

BRAYSHAW UNCERTAINTY

The AFL is expected to have discussions with Melbourne about the salary cap implications of Angus Brayshaw’s retirement given he has five more seasons left on his contract.

The league medically retired Brayshaw and while the Demons spent Thursday farewelling their premiership star, his position will clearly set a precedent for all clubs.

Brayshaw could agree to accept a smaller figure on a contract of between $700,000-$800,000 as part of an agreement with the club or the AFL could grant the Demons some cap relief.

Rival list bosses agreed there was no set protocol for medical retirements given most players to retire recently including Marcus Adams, Paul Seedsman and Paddy McCartin did not have long-term deals.

The AFL’s intervention into Brayshaw’s career will give the Demons the best chance of reducing the cap implications of his deal until 2028.

reads to me like we're going to be carrying the hefty salary in our cap for the extent of the remainder of the deal - that would be very, very annoying indeed

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5 minutes ago, sue said:

But that's all, as you say, your 'guess'.   i have heard in ABC radio them say he has been forced to retire by the AFL.  And a couple of posters here have said that too, but I cannot find any statement from the AFL saying that and Gus said it was his decision. Anyone....?

Are you referring to Warwick Hadfield on RN? I heard it and thought he was incorrect. Wouldn’t be the first time. Anyone hear him yesterday on our’drug culture’? Basically aired a rumour 

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1 minute ago, sue said:

But that's all, as you say, your 'guess'.   i have heard in ABC radio them say he has been forced to retire by the AFL.  And a couple of posters here have said that too, but I cannot find any statement from the AFL saying that and Gus said it was his decision. Anyone....?

i don't think you'll ever get a satisfactory unequivocal answer.

bit like the old resignation vs pushed or the no choice option

officially it was ultimately his decision but i don't doubt there was huge pressure from other sources including especially the afl. i wouldn't be surprised if there was a confidential agreement/settlement that you'll never get to see in entirety

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2 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

jon ralph, who tends to just re-write media releases, says that the afl - unsurprisingly - doesn't have a protocol to deal with a player medically retired with a significant amount of time left upon their deal

BRAYSHAW UNCERTAINTY

The AFL is expected to have discussions with Melbourne about the salary cap implications of Angus Brayshaw’s retirement given he has five more seasons left on his contract.

The league medically retired Brayshaw and while the Demons spent Thursday farewelling their premiership star, his position will clearly set a precedent for all clubs.

Brayshaw could agree to accept a smaller figure on a contract of between $700,000-$800,000 as part of an agreement with the club or the AFL could grant the Demons some cap relief.

Rival list bosses agreed there was no set protocol for medical retirements given most players to retire recently including Marcus Adams, Paul Seedsman and Paddy McCartin did not have long-term deals.

The AFL’s intervention into Brayshaw’s career will give the Demons the best chance of reducing the cap implications of his deal until 2028.

reads to me like we're going to be carrying the hefty salary in our cap for the extent of the remainder of the deal - that would be very, very annoying indeed

That’s just ridiculous, if that’s the case 

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22 hours ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Not quite sure what you are expecting when you say ‘compensation’ but I would expect we would be able to remove his salary from the salary cap and a spot would be opened up on the list ala long term injury protocol

Sensible 

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11 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Are you for real?  Is this sarcasm?  Or actually a post by a Collingwood supporter trolling?

Yes, a good comment, Rodney BG. There is a cloud on the lower atmospheric zone, impenetrable, unanswerable, tainting the earthly environment: Collingwood and all it stands for in terms of the polluting opportunities and influences of the AFL itself.

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21 minutes ago, sue said:

But that's all, as you say, your 'guess'.   i have heard in ABC radio them say he has been forced to retire by the AFL.  And a couple of posters here have said that too, but I cannot find any statement from the AFL saying that and Gus said it was his decision. Anyone....?

Educated guess. There is no doubt in my mind that all parties were involved in the lead up to the announcement to protect their interests.

Brayshaw would ultimately want some security for his future; AFL would want to protect its brand, minimize any future legal risks and somewhat control the narrative; club would want some form of compensation for losing a player. With all that on the table, deals are often reached where everyone gets close to what they want.

For what its worth, i don't think the AFL would want to be seen as forcing Brayshaw's hand as it risks some backlash and legal consequences for not suspending the action. 

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22 minutes ago, KLV said:

Are you referring to Warwick Hadfield on RN? I heard it and thought he was incorrect. Wouldn’t be the first time. Anyone hear him yesterday on our’drug culture’? Basically aired a rumour 

I wasn't referring to him (I have never forgiven his pro-Essendon position in the 'enhancement' program). But his co-presenter said it 3 times, so I guess she got it from him.

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52 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

Yes. It is becoming a lot more common and there will be a lot more players being retired.

I would be very surprised if Nathan Murphy is allowed to play on.

I think this assessment is not really getting the role in all this by the AFL and Gus.

Gus has  been having treatment since the QF collision. He has been undergoing numerous tests ( go to our website for all the info) which have involved our Clubs medicos and a band of neurological experts plus the AFL. 

His recovery has been going well but recently he received a test result from one of the experts that has shown his brain has altered slightly from the time it occurred. 

After this he has realised to continue playing would be risking his future and on the basis he has after consultation with family his wife Danielle MFC and the experts and AFL who are now monitoring all concussion cases. That gave a Cttee set up to assess each case. 

Patty McCartin last year was retired by this Cttee who advise the AFL who then don’t give to r player a permit to play to protect their health and safety. 

It appears that Angus has beaten the AFL “advice” by  making his decision once he learned of the deterioration even very minute in his brain. 

That’s Angus organized and how this represents his values and on what it means to him and the people on his life.

Patty Mac was told he had to retire very officially and I think it takes a lot away from the  value in your exit from the game and the people  and club and  love.

Melb have indicated they will look at offering some way to be involved still in footy at the Club if Angus wishes to take that up. 

All the best to Angus and Danielle in the future and thanks for all the great footy memories you have left us with your courage bravery and infectious manner you played and enjoyed yourself. 

Special memories I have of me sitting  in Optus Stadium at theGF on Angus’s wing whichI was lucky enough to  see up close his brilliant and brave third quarter to help change the game.  Amazing  goal and celebration that I will never ever forget.

Thanks Angus 10 ❤️💙🏆

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