Onya Robbo

[Whispering_Jack 28,023]

The real Robbo (Russell Robertson) has lashed out at Kane Cornes for his ridiculous attack on Simon Goodwin’s characterisation of Hawthorn tagger Finn Maginness as a player who doesn’t want the ball. 

‘No one gives a s*** what you think’: Ex-AFL star Russell Robertson erupts in scathing Kane Cornes spray

 

 

[Jaded No More 58,659]

The only thing Kane Cornes doesn't have a problem with is Port Adelaide cheating the concussion protocol.

He is about as relevant as his footy club has been in finals this decade. 

[FarNorthernD 5,848]

If we had a tagger that shut down a Daicos or Neale we would be lauding them. I don’t have a problem with McGuinness trying to blanket Clarry for 3 qtrs. I am not sure if Goodwin would make the same comments again but it was great to see him deviate out of the ‘trained incredibly hard’, ‘I’m incredibly proud’ cliches for a moment. 

[Sir Why You Little 34,697]

How is your career as a Firefighter Kane? You are such a [censored] on a daily basis, as long as Port are not involved, then you are as quiet as a Mouse. 
McGuinness was given a job, and it wasn’t to get the ball

Kane Cornes: A Tool of the Highest Order

[Jaded No More 58,659]

1 minute ago, FarNorthernD said:

If we had a tagger that shut down a Daicos or Neale we would be lauding them. I don’t have a problem with McGuinness trying to blanket Clarry for 3 qtrs. I am not sure if Goodwin would make the same comments again but it was great to see him deviate out of the ‘trained incredibly hard’, ‘I’m incredibly proud’ cliches for a moment. 

Goodwin was right tho. McGuinness had no interest in getting the ball himself, which is why he has done such a good job shutting down players. At no point did Goodwin said he didn't do a good job, but it's much easier to tag when you don't care about winning possessions yourself, which was the point he was making.

The bottom line is, top clubs would never utilise this type of tagging role, because they would never risk playing 'a man down', they would rather just back their own systems in, while trying to limit the influence of the opposition's key players. 

[Little Goffy 12,727]

4 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Goodwin was right tho. McGuinness had no interest in getting the ball himself, which is why he has done such a good job shutting down players. At no point did Goodwin said he didn't do a good job, but it's much easier to tag when you don't care about winning possessions yourself, which was the point he was making.

The bottom line is, top clubs would never utilise this type of tagging role, because they would never risk playing 'a man down', they would rather just back their own systems in, while trying to limit the influence of the opposition's key players. 

Perfect summary.

If we'd brought in Simon Godfrey to put a hard tag on James Worpel or Connor Nash, it would have been game over for Hawthorn because that's 1/3rd of their clearances choked up.

BUT you won't win many games against top teams which have deep midfields by doing that. Your own clearances will be flawed by having a player not involved in the ball movement, and your opposition will find ways to work around the block, meaning you've just gone full Maginot Line. (In this scenario, Petracca is the Ardennes gap)

[Jaded No More 58,659]

2 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Perfect summary.

If we'd brought in Simon Godfrey to put a hard tag on James Worpel or Connor Nash, it would have been game over for Hawthorn because that's 1/3rd of their clearances choked up.

BUT you won't win many games against top teams which have deep midfields by doing that. Your own clearances will be flawed by having a player not involved in the ball movement, and your opposition will find ways to work around the block, meaning you've just gone full Maginot Line. (In this scenario, Petracca is the Ardennes gap)

Not to mention that in the last quarter Mitchell moved the tag off Clarry, because he obviously felt they couldn't win the game if we continued to drive so much attack from half back, so he tagged Rivers instead and Clarry spent like 10 minutes being Clarry and we win the game anyway.

You don't beat the top sides with a tag, because the top sides do not rely on one player to win games. We literally beat the top 2 teams this year without Oliver. 

[BoBo 2,170]

It's hard to take Cornes seriously mostly because he's essentially an external part of Ports public relations team but also... he obviously says some things purely to be a point of difference to other commentators. You can tell he doesn't believe a lot of it, as he sometimes has a wry smile on his face as he's saying it. He literally can't keep a straight face.

Which means even if he makes a good point, I reflexively think 'yeah but Cornes just says anything'. Being heavily biased towards the club you played for and being a contrarian for the sake of it doesn't make a good footy journalist. 

[Supreme_Demon 3,011]

Kane Cornes is just a shock jock really. He says controversial things just for the sake of it. Very boring! 🥱

Good on Russell "Robbo" Roberston for standing up for Simon Goodwin, Clayton Oliver and the Melbourne Football Club though!

I know "Robbo" is the MC/Host for Melbourne Demons Home Games at the MCG. He does a great job there!

However, I would love to see him more in the media. If they ever brought back a variety Football TV show (kinda like the Footy Show or Live and Kicking) then "Robbo" could easily host it and even play in a band due to his musical talents.

Edited August 24, 2023 by Supreme_Demon

[Deestar9 1,424]

1 hour ago, FarNorthernD said:

If we had a tagger that shut down a Daicos or Neale we would be lauding them. I don’t have a problem with McGuinness trying to blanket Clarry for 3 qtrs. I am not sure if Goodwin would make the same comments again but it was great to see him deviate out of the ‘trained incredibly hard’, ‘I’m incredibly proud’ cliches for a moment. 

I don’t feel it was a criticism of the player as they follow coaches instructions. It was more aimed at the coach & good on Simon for having his say. We criticise them for being bland & then when they  give an honest answer we criticise them for that …

[Binmans PA 26,295]

I'd rather Goody have played a straight bat, because it potentially brings external focus onto Clarry now. If Goody straight bats it, they have nothing to run with.

It's done now though.

[Billy 2,011]

I don’t know why we all get so worked up about Kane Cornes he gets paid to get under peoples skin, l find it quite amusing 

[dazzledavey36 49,003]

So funny watching everyone here get triggered by Kane Cornes lol

[Stiff Arm 4,413]

Cornes would love reading this thread. It's exactly what he wants to achieve: clickbait and relevance 

Edited August 24, 2023 by Stiff Arm

[BDA 20,411]

I watch clips of footy classified from time to time. The whole point of the program is to be controversial and stir up debate. I wouldn't get too caught up in it.

And i don't mind Cornes. He's not a bad analyst. Just ignore the hyperbolic stuff he comes out with. and anything he says about Port because he's hopelessly conflicted.

[Redleg 37,907]

2 hours ago, BoBo said:

It's hard to take Cornes seriously mostly because he's essentially an external part of Ports public relations team but also... he obviously says some things purely to be a point of difference to other commentators. You can tell he doesn't believe a lot of it, as he sometimes has a wry smile on his face as he's saying it. He literally can't keep a straight face.

Which means even if he makes a good point, I reflexively think 'yeah but Cornes just says anything'. Being heavily biased towards the club you played for and being a contrarian for the sake of it doesn't make a good footy journalist. 

Which club does his brother work at?

[Jaded No More 58,659]

1 hour ago, Binmans PA said:

I'd rather Goody have played a straight bat, because it potentially brings external focus onto Clarry now. If Goody straight bats it, they have nothing to run with.

It's done now though.

Clarry won’t get tagged in finals like that tho. Which finals side is going to have a run with player focused solely on shutting down Clarry over winning the ball? 

[dazzledavey36 49,003]

3 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Clarry won’t get tagged in finals like that tho. Which finals side is going to have a run with player focused solely on shutting down Clarry over winning the ball? 

Won't he?

Berry from Brisbane tagged Oliver completely out of the game in the 2nd half of last year's finals. Got Brisbane right back in the game.

It will happen again.

 

[DubDee 21,036]

McGuinness's comments were pretty funny.

Hey - I have played since I was 5yo and I all I ever want to do get the ball

but you know, right now, I am just playing the man

lol

[Jaded No More 58,659]

17 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Won't he?

Berry from Brisbane tagged Oliver completely out of the game in the 2nd half of last year's finals. Got Brisbane right back in the game.

It will happen again.

 

Berry is a bog ordinary footballer. If they want to run with him in their finals side then it gives us an advantage.

Would you play Harmes to shut down Neale at the expense of say Gus or Sparrow? 

Good luck to the Lions. They’ve lost a lot of class and pace with Ashcroft going down. Doubt they’ll play a mid in a purely negative role in finals, but it may happen again. 
With Fritta back is reduces the need to play Trac forward. So they shut down Clarry and Viney, Trac and Gus get a better run instead. I’m not worried. 
 

The crack at McGuiness IMO was because he was going the man not the ball. Holding and scragging Clarry illegally behind play all day. I hope in finals the best umpires don’t allow that to happen. 

Edited August 24, 2023 by Jaded No More

[dazzledavey36 49,003]

16 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Berry is a bog ordinary footballer. If they want to run with him in their finals side then it gives us an advantage.

Would you play Harmes to shut down Neale at the expense of say Gus or Sparrow? 

Good luck to the Lions. They’ve lost a lot of class and pace with Ashcroft going down. Doubt they’ll play a mid in a purely negative role in finals, but it may happen again. 
With Fritta back is reduces the need to play Trac forward. So they shut down Clarry and Viney, Trac and Gus get a better run instead. I’m not worried. 
 

The crack at McGuiness IMO was because he was going the man not the ball. Holding and scragging Clarry illegally behind play all day. I hope in finals the best umpires don’t allow that to happen. 

Gives us an advantage? Do you have short memory?

Oliver being tagged by Berry was one of the big key reason why Brisbane overran us in last year's finals. Oliver was red hot in the first half and then Berry completely shut him down which put a complete dent in our midfield set up, especially aas we had Petracca already playing on one leg.

Regardless whether he's a bog ordinary footballer or not. You said teams won't tag in finals and I pointed out that Berry actually did.

So yes, teams will tag come finals. Happens every single finals series.

Edited August 24, 2023 by dazzledavey36

[beelzebub 22,268]

5 hours ago, FarNorthernD said:

If we had a tagger that shut down a Daicos or Neale we would be lauding them. I don’t have a problem with McGuinness trying to blanket Clarry for 3 qtrs. I am not sure if Goodwin would make the same comments again but it was great to see him deviate out of the ‘trained incredibly hard’, ‘I’m incredibly proud’ cliches for a moment. 

I dont think there was anything meant other than the obvious.. Clarry was set a heavy tag. .  Did that truly accomplish Hawthorn's goal ???  

Footy is a war of minds...  dont mind us engaging occasionally especially after we've won ;) 

[beelzebub 22,268]

4 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Gives us an advantage? Do you have short memory?

Oliver being tagged by Berry was one of the big key reason why Brisbane overran us in last year's finals. Oliver was red hot in the first half and then Berry completely shut him down which put a complete dent in our midfield set up, especially aas we had Petracca already playing on one leg.

Regardless whether he's a bog ordinary footballer or not. You said teams won't tag in finals and I pointed out that Berry actually did.

So yes, teams will tag come finals. Happens every single finals series.

Of course they will...  if a 7 negates a 10..  you're ahead.   Not rocket surgery

We will get targeted and hunted ...for sure

[Binmans PA 26,295]

47 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Won't he?

Berry from Brisbane tagged Oliver completely out of the game in the 2nd half of last year's finals. Got Brisbane right back in the game.

It will happen again.

 

Which is why having spent half a season without him, our midfield will cope. And we have to be able to generate an advantage elsewhere due to that tag. Clarry plays the defensive mid for example. He is already our best tackler.

[Gorgoroth 12,334]

It’s why Ling was probably the best, he negated the player and got the ball himself.

If we had a decent tagger I’d want them playing every week.