On 20/10/2022 at 10:51, bing181 said:

Is there any reason why we can't play Joel Smith or Schache forward and keep Petty playing his role in the backline?

Need to experiment with Petty & Schache early in the pre-season games and first half dozen for points.  See which set up works.

We need another serious tall not medium talls which leaves Smith (@ only 191cm) in no-mans-land other than as a back up for Turner and/or Schache (in defense) IMV.  Personally there is really no available role for Smith if Turner & Schache come into the season fit and firing IMHO.

Will the above trials (mostly Petty forward) happen under Goodwin's watch?  Who knows, but gut feel says highly unlikely.

  On 20/10/2022 at 22:32, Demon Dynasty said:

Need to experiment with Petty & Schache early in the pre-season games and first half dozen for points.  See which set up works.

We need another serious tall not medium talls which leaves Smith (@ only 191cm) in no-mans-land other than as a back up for Turner and/or Schache (in defense) IMV.  Personally there is really no available role for Smith if Turner & Schache come into the season fit and firing IMHO.

Will the above trials (mostly Petty forward) happen under Goodwin's watch?  Who knows, but gut feel says highly unlikely.

Must experiment with Petty up forward - can't rely on Brown & Tom because of injury concerns. JVR will compete and make a difference. Too often this year the ball came out of our F50 far 2 easily and for very little reward.

Along with Gawn is easily our best contested mark.

Always competes, whether that be in the air, or on the ground.

With our current gamestyle of bombing to the pocket, we literally have nobody that can take a contested mark.

If he is not trained as a forward next year i would be suprised....we have plenty of defenders that can play a backline role..

I said in post somewhere on this forum he reminded me very much of a Naughton type (well b4 Garry Lyon).

We need talent/fierce competitors all over the ground, but moreso in our front half.

I also think our small forward will dine out, if they are front and square with him contesting.

Would make our whole forward line walk taller.

  On 27/10/2022 at 01:54, NeveroddoreveN said:

Along with Gawn is easily our best contested mark.

Always competes, whether that be in the air, or on the ground.

With our current gamestyle of bombing to the pocket, we literally have nobody that can take a contested mark.

If he is not trained as a forward next year i would be suprised....we have plenty of defenders that can play a backline role..

I said in post somewhere on this forum he reminded me very much of a Naughton type (well b4 Garry Lyon).

We need talent/fierce competitors all over the ground, but moreso in our front half.

I also think our small forward will dine out, if they are front and square with him contesting.

Would make our whole forward line walk taller.

It has to happen, we can't rely on Brown. Petty & JVR will create and capitalise on opportunities. Whereas if we don't the ball will come out and scoring will dry up.

  On 10/10/2022 at 23:08, Earl Hood said:

Agree he has to be tried forward next season. Even if it’s a bit of robbing Peter to pay Paul. IMO we can afford to leak a few extra goals down back if we convert more of our inside F50 entries and we usually win that stat in matches. I suspect Goody isn’t going to fundamentally change the game plan so we need players who can take contested marks up forward. 

A game plan thst relies on contested marking forward when we don't have any contested marking forwards. Great. I wonder if he's ever thought of a game plan that relies on quick transition to leading forwards? 

  On 27/10/2022 at 02:32, Grouse said:

A game plan thst relies on contested marking forward when we don't have any contested marking forwards. Great. I wonder if he's ever thought of a game plan that relies on quick transition to leading forwards? 

Yep couldnt agree more

Petty is a competitive beast and we don’t have one of those up forward, which is very much needed.

The point of difference with Petty and why he must go forward is his contested marking (and legal aggression). This is more important in a forward than a back, where mobility and the ability to effect a spoil is at a premium. 

Brown Schache and Tmac are all inferior to Petty as contested marks, and Gawn is an erratic shot at goal. Petty also to my mind will unlock Fritsch further, who as a secondary forward is lethal. Petty will also provide more forward defensive pressure than any other forward something Brown cannot do. Then 2nd tall can be either JVR or Tmac. With Gawn resting occasionally forward.

Edited October 27, 20222 yr by DEE fence
Typos on phone.

  On 27/10/2022 at 09:40, DEE fence said:

The point of difference with Petty and why he must go forward is the contested marking. This is more important in a forward than a back, where mobility and a spoil is at a premium. 

Brown Schache and Tmac are all inferior to Petty as contested marks, and Gawn is erratic. Petty also to mind will unlock Fritsch further who as a secondary forward is lethal. Petty will also provide more forward defensive pressure than any other pressure, something Brown cannot do. Then 2nd tall is either JVR or Tmac. With Gawn resting occasionally.

It’s so simple! I did wonder throughout the year why our forward line always seemed so congested (excluding the kicking into the pocket) why our forwards found it hard to release the defender and run into space. 

With Gawn out and May returning, Goodwin has a few things to consider. Tomlinson has been pretty good this year and Petty has been a bit down compared to previous seasons. One option I think we should consider is throwing Petty forward. 

JVR could also come into the side to replace the out of form TMac, although this role would also include part time rucking. 

It’s an option but has he trained enough as a swing man? I am really keen to see a Brown, Fritsch, and Pickett/Petracca focussed forward line being supported by quick ball movement from Spargo, ANB, et al. 

Brown and Fritsch are at home in lead up roles and this is what this style can give them. 

With Gawn not there, TMac and JVR could get up the ground more and leave BBB and BFF have the leading lanes in front of goal.

Sounds sexy to me.

Zero chance of this happening.

  On 28/03/2023 at 22:30, Fat Tony said:

With Gawn out and May returning, Goodwin has a few things to consider. Tomlinson has been pretty good this year and Petty has been a bit down compared to previous seasons. One option I think we should consider is throwing Petty forward. 

JVR could also come into the side to replace the out of form TMac, although this role would also include part time rucking. 

It's an interesting call - I was keen for this at the end of the last year.  Notably Petty didn't spend any time forward over the pre-season and the club seems to have doubled down on TMac, BBB, JVR and Schache.  

But as you say, for May to come in, someone has to go out and Tomlinson has played better than Petty.  I wonder if they think he is too good a player to drop and so they push him forward.  Equally if they don't play JVR soon, Freo / WCE will be in his ear saying "we will play you each week".

Given we are playing Sydney I think they won't want to change things too much but if there is a loss I think all of this will be on the table.

  On 27/10/2022 at 09:40, DEE fence said:

The point of difference with Petty and why he must go forward is his contested marking (and legal aggression). This is more important in a forward than a back, where mobility and the ability to effect a spoil is at a premium. 

Brown Schache and Tmac are all inferior to Petty as contested marks,

Much too simple an analysis. It is always easier to take a contested mark when playing in defence and the oppos are not spoiling but trying to mark. It's a lot tougher when playing forward and the oppos are crowding and spoiling.

Petty is already looking pretty banged up, might need a spell rather than a move forward.

 

Will it happen? Probably not.

Regardless of plays fwd we need to get the ball in there quickly. 

  On 28/03/2023 at 22:51, deelusions from afar said:

It's an interesting call - I was keen for this at the end of the last year.  Notably Petty didn't spend any time forward over the pre-season and the club seems to have doubled down on TMac, BBB, JVR and Schache.  

But as you say, for May to come in, someone has to go out and Tomlinson has played better than Petty.  I wonder if they think he is too good a player to drop and so they push him forward.  Equally if they don't play JVR soon, Freo / WCE will be in his ear saying "we will play you each week".

Given we are playing Sydney I think they won't want to change things too much but if there is a loss I think all of this will be on the table.

The very reason Harry should be pushed forward if not at the start but during the game ( if we are struggling) is that we are playing Sydney and need some X factor and surprise for the Swans.

Goody has been out coached by John Longmuire in 2 games in 2022 plus games prior since 2017 and had to come up with a greater strategy and not just depend on our contested ball factor to win. Swans always match it and are smarter up forward to boot. 

I were oilfield bring in JVR to the 22 and also have Tmac ready to go down back and Harry to CHF orFF. We need good marking players vs the McCartins as well and no Gawny remember. We need to lower our eyes and deliver to leading forwards. Also how good has BBB been! Funny how his detractors are quiet and they said  he was cooked. Saying that about Tmac also. 

I believe JVR's game last Sat at Casey as a run on second ruckman taking 11marks and his tackles should earn him a debut in the role and he can rest  up forward and on the bench.

I know most Dees fans would rather have 5 goals from JVR than playing a team role but he can be just as good not being minded all the time Tjis us the role we wanted Weid to do but his greatest weakness was his competitiveness in the Seniors. JVR almost thrives on this style and it's second nature. Release him please to kick start his career while Max is out .

Hibbo also should come back in place of Melksham or Harmes. He puts pressure on forwards both physically and mentally. 

Go Dees this is our biggest test other than Cwood let's get it right and learn why we have failed the Swans test 17 out of the last 20 games most on the MCG. 

  

Petty needs to settle down in the back line. We have enough quality in our forwards ,specially when Gawn goes forward . If Schache had been fit  , he surely would have been very heavily considered.

Tmac with his foot injury cannot be expected to ruck, thus JVR needs to come in.

I expect the Swans to play 3 talls , therefore May, Petty, Tomlinson  also play with Lever to play on flank or back pocket.It maybe Hibberd comes in and replaces Tomlinson.Young McVee needs a rest  (managed).

Edited March 29, 20232 yr by jayceebee31

Yeah, nah. 

Ben Brown is in really solid form, Tmac is a bit flat but JVR is ready to be unleashed. i'm pretty confident in where the Key forward stocks sit. 

I reckon we're best off using Tmac as the back up ruck/Third forward, bringing in Rooey and unleashing him on the poor saints. 

I reckon being in the ruck will hopefully give Tmac the chance to get his hands on the ball and get more into the game, plus he's got the running power to play the role 

  On 28/03/2023 at 23:18, tiers said:

Much too simple an analysis. It is always easier to take a contested mark when playing in defence and the oppos are not spoiling but trying to mark. It's a lot tougher when playing forward and the oppos are crowding and spoiling.

Meant to be concise, anyway, this was written pre 22 draft. I still think Petty is a very strong contested mark, timing the apex well to pluck it, compared to others on our list. I still think it's worth a few games.

Petty was very good in preseason and I thought very solid against the Dogs and one of the best forwards in the game in Naughton.

Everything went wrong last week, but it's 1 week.

So I'm not buying the idea he's struggling. Nor do I suddenly have a great opinion on Tomlinson who did a great job v Rory Lobb but didn't set the world on fire last week IMO.

That said, our key forwards didn't fill me with confidence even with Gawn/Grundy helping out. BBB is in decent nick but chances are he'll have rough patches through the year. Tommy Mc is battling away. JVR hopefully gets his chance this week but his Casey game wasn't all that flash. His best  period was late in the game when he got an extended run in the ruck.

We'll know more after Sundays game but I still think Petty forward has to be a genuine consideration if things don't stabilise over the next few weeks.

Petty will be fine in the Backline. Last week he had a bad game, I truly think the Brisbane players got into his head. 
he was reactive, not proactive 

I would much prefer to see JVR given a run and keep Harry in the back line. That said I don’t want him to be stay at home, if something in game needs to change I’ve got no issue with throwing him forward. Don’t wait until the final 4min of our season.