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3 hours ago, monoccular said:

Must make Rutten feel really valued 

Maybe he should resign and leave them coachless

Anyone know Peter Wright’s contract status??

I'd be surprised if he doesn't have another two years to run

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    Essendon are known to have a lot of people in their hierarchy who are more in it for themselves than anyone else.

    In comes Clarko, one of the most head strong (and seemingly paranoid) individuals in the league, could be a recipe for a massive civil war at the hanger.

     

    Can someone pass me some popcorn please?

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    I am not sure Clarkson is right for North. His last few years he tried to keep the Hawks in the window and those decisions ensured longer term pain. Unlike Paul Roos he has aspiration of being a premiership coach meaning expedient rather than long term decisions are made. Roos built foundations that after eight years delivered a flag that is the only model for cluster teams like Nth. Experienced coaches past their prime Malthouse; Pagan etc can set clubs back decades. There ego can be a problem. If Clarko get the nod and he doesn’t deliver Kangas are stuffed. Bombers would be a better match for him a far better nucleus of a team

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    The bombers are throwing the kitchen sink at Clarko

    at least have the decency to sack Rutten and let him go with some dignity left

    Clarko will want to come with his team which might include Viney. Also assurances from CEO and president that he can make key decisions. Might take some time

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    Rutten's situation has to be untenable now. I'm really disappointed in the way they've handled this and things have been rocky the whole time he's been there, it's a pathetic way to treat a coach who (not that it matters) seems like a good bloke as well. 

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    9 minutes ago, Melb-A-Toast said:

    There is something Rutten in the state of Don - mark my words

    i know who's doing the rutting and it aint rutten but sure is rotten

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    1 hour ago, Deesprate said:

    I am not sure Clarkson is right for North. His last few years he tried to keep the Hawks in the window and those decisions ensured longer term pain. Unlike Paul Roos he has aspiration of being a premiership coach meaning expedient rather than long term decisions are made. Roos built foundations that after eight years delivered a flag that is the only model for cluster teams like Nth. Experienced coaches past their prime Malthouse; Pagan etc can set clubs back decades. There ego can be a problem. If Clarko get the nod and he doesn’t deliver Kangas are stuffed. Bombers would be a better match for him a far better nucleus of a team

    Does Clarko seem like the kind of guy that could coach with a succession plan in place? I'm not convinced that he could build a team with the view to a youngster coach taking the reins down the track, he's very much a 'my team' guy.

    Paul Roos was a different kind of character, even at Sydney he believed coaches had a shelf life (7 years or something like that). Yes he was someone who had the burn to coach again but he's also someone happy with life in retirement. 

    The Clarko narrative is such a romantic one and it's hard not to love. Old club, new challenge, bring his staff in and clean house, it all makes a lot of sense. Does he have the patience this time around for a big build? Is he even used to coaching a cellar dwelling club? There weren't too many bottom 4 finishes in his time at Hawthorn so it will be new territory.

    I think it's a move the Roos have to make but I'm with you it has its risks and Essendon would probably be the better fit. 

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    Essendon's problems go far deeper than the coach. Their coteries have way too much influence and are the reason Dodoro will survive even if everyone else goes. Anyone associated with Sheedy will get a free pass - he is the reason for a lot of the issues.

    If they don't get Clarko, I expect there will be a push for Hird. That would be brilliant.

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    Rutten seems like a good bloke but I hate this club and they deserve everything they get.

    Perhaps don't whitewash and deny the drugs scandal for a decade.

     

     

     

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    12 minutes ago, layzie said:

     

    I think it's a move the Roos have to make but I'm with you it has its risks and Essendon would probably be the better fit. 

    If I were Clarkson, I think North would be a better option. I assume the remuneration will be somewhat similar, given he's got the stronger bargaining position. I think North is better because there's so much upside. In essence, North will improve from where they are and he will get the credit. Essendon may yet get worse. If improvement is not seen at Essendon by 2024, there will be impatience everywhere - from members to sponsors to the TV broadcasters. I expect Clarkson thrives on pressure, but his enduring reputation cannot be tarnished by what happens at North; but it can be by a stint at Essendon. 

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    8 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    If I were Clarkson, I think North would be a better option. I assume the remuneration will be somewhat similar, given he's got the stronger bargaining position. I think North is better because there's so much upside. In essence, North will improve from where they are and he will get the credit. Essendon may yet get worse. If improvement is not seen at Essendon by 2024, there will be impatience everywhere - from members to sponsors to the TV broadcasters. I expect Clarkson thrives on pressure, but his enduring reputation cannot be tarnished by what happens at North; but it can be by a stint at Essendon. 

    A good take on it La Dee-vina. I guess in some ways Essendon could be the easier choice but I agree that apart from some early growing pains the sky is the limit on the upside with the North proposition.

    Both clubs need to get their off-field ducks in a row at board level and administration level. 

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    1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    If I were Clarkson, I think North would be a better option. I assume the remuneration will be somewhat similar, given he's got the stronger bargaining position. I think North is better because there's so much upside. In essence, North will improve from where they are and he will get the credit. Essendon may yet get worse. If improvement is not seen at Essendon by 2024, there will be impatience everywhere - from members to sponsors to the TV broadcasters. I expect Clarkson thrives on pressure, but his enduring reputation cannot be tarnished by what happens at North; but it can be by a stint at Essendon. 

    Clarko has an ego, I think he’d rather a “big “ club than a low profile one.  Can’t believe I’m calling Essendon big 😂

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    55 minutes ago, Mr Steve said:

    Gee that footage from footy classified looked bad. From the North / Ess game.  

    Just took a peek at the Hangar facilities at Tulla for the first time.

    It looks very impressive. You'd think Essendon would be doing alot better. MFC facilities look like a tin shed in comparison.

    That club must be an absolute mess at managerial level. Rutten cant be blamed for everything.

    They'll definitely go all in for Clark Kent.

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    2 hours ago, Clintosaurus said:

    Essendon's problems go far deeper than the coach. Their coteries have way too much influence and are the reason Dodoro will survive even if everyone else goes. Anyone associated with Sheedy will get a free pass - he is the reason for a lot of the issues.

    If they don't get Clarko, I expect there will be a push for Hird. That would be brilliant.

    This is like Melbourne in the 80s and 90s. Even parts of the 2000s. Love or hate Collingwood their ability to turn it around and respond in the face of challenges and criticisms is commendable. Whereas teams with large coterie cultures always tend to go through waves of board room and back office infighting. I hope it never returns to Melbourne.

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    17 hours ago, Jontee said:

    From a demons and genuine footy fans perspective, I think this has much merit, as I dont think Jobe could coach backpackers to the airport.

    He does make an excellent coffee though

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    really feel for Ben Rutten because you feel that even he knows he's only holding the role until they get a commitment from Clarko

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    22 hours ago, The Lobster Effect said:

    Yeah Clarko's haul of 4 flags is obviously impressive but he did hit the jackpot with Buddy, Roughhead and Lewis in the one draft - not sure you could say Bombers or Kangas are in the same position.

    Strangely enough, Hawthorn made a real mess of a few drafts, including some high draft picks (Brennan, Ellis, Dowler & Thorp)

    But when they hit big, they really hit big;

    2001; Hodge, Mitchell

    2004; Roughead, Franklin, Lewis,

    And then with that level of potency and leadership in place they set about filling roles with trades.

     

    Meanwhile, how do we feel about Rutten as an assistant coach?

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    21 hours ago, dees189227 said:

    Gee Essendon don't have much patience. First they get rid of Hird then sack Worsfold and now Rutten. How about giving a coach some time to build a list. 

    following the carltank model :) 

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    I think it’s likely that whichever team Clarko chooses, he will probably agree to a limited term with a succession plan, just like Roos did. I think his main eye might be on the Tasmanian gig.

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    17 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

    Strangely enough, Hawthorn made a real mess of a few drafts, including some high draft picks (Brennan, Ellis, Dowler & Thorp)

    But when they hit big, they really hit big;

    2001; Hodge, Mitchell

    2004; Roughead, Franklin, Lewis,

    The credit for those drafts doesn't go to Clarkson as he didn't leave Port until after their 2004 GF win by which time most drafting decisions, especially at the top end, would have already been made.  He wouldn't have had the gravitas at that time to exert much influence.

    In his latter years Clarkson burnt a few 1st round picks/first round draftees to get Mitchell, O'Meara, Wingard.  A bit like Ross Lyon at the Saints he left the list in an ordinary state.  

    Ess should learn that 'all that glitters isn't gold'.  But then again they might just bring out the worst in each other.

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    43 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

    Meanwhile, how do we feel about Rutten as an assistant coach?

    For who?

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