CHANGES: Rd 18 vs Hawthorn

[binman 42,533]

4 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

In. Kicks to the hotspot 15 metres out from goal. 
Out. Consistently kicking to the deep forward pockets.  Too easily defended against us.  Even when we mark it, it’s a difficult shot and low chance of conversions.  

Just KICK IT!!!!!

[In Harmes Way 7,735]

11 hours ago, A F said:

I wouldn't make a change. I think Harmes and Viney will click soon.

However, if Rivers needs a rest, I wouldn't be against having Bowey play one week in the big league.

Maybe give Rivers/other 1-3 Yr players a rest for the Darwin game. Essentially remove 2 long haul flights from the accumulating fatigue on younger bodies on the eve of a finals series. It’s also a good chance to reward those at Casey on the cusp of a game.

[Wrecker46 2,963]

Bring in Chalmers and give him a crack. It pains me to say but ANB has to go out for him. Purely because there is no-one else to drop.

[DeeZone 9,618]

12 hours ago, Jaded said:

Harmes is definitely skating on one leg on thin ice. Sparrow will keep knocking on the door. As will Jones when he’s back. And you also have Melksham who I think does next to nothing but his one kick a game is always pretty solid. 
He will need to get back into some form and he’s frankly lucky that Viney is hardly going at the moment either. Another week like this one and he will be out the door. 

JV - 10 tackles, will only get better.

[Sydee 4,379]

13 minutes ago, Wrecker46 said:

Bring in Chalmers and give him a crack. It pains me to say but ANB has to go out for him. Purely because there is no-one else to drop.

Chalmers ? Have I missed something 

[Demon17 5,184]

49 minutes ago, In Harmes Way said:

Maybe give Rivers/other 1-3 Yr players a rest for the Darwin game. Essentially remove 2 long haul flights from the accumulating fatigue on younger bodies on the eve of a finals series. It’s also a good chance to reward those at Casey on the cusp of a game.

Tricky.  Gold coast is winnable for sure and we shouldn't fool around and lock it away.  But the Darwin flight is an hour longer than perth and the heat will at least be bearable but the humidity will be sappingr. So a rest might be good.

But rest against Eagles also has advantages and trip home is quicker than darwin by an hour at least.,  timing-wise , but not as beneficial. And next 2 games in Victoria.

If resting anybody I would avoid Darwin, mainly because Dogs is the next game, and optimises team conditioning maybe???

In Burgess I trust. Over to you.

[Demon Jack 6,855]

Might not be next week, but I'd love to see AVB get a crack before seasons end. Was a real catalyst in our success at the end of 2018.

Will be watching the VFL this afternoon with great interest.

[Boots and all 1,000]

On 7/9/2021 at 1:52 PM, binman said:

For mine, i'd have Sparrow in ahead of Harmes.

And once jones is fit, i'd have him in ahead of both based on his game the weekend before last.

Harmes was average last night. To be fair he had an improved second half but he made some potentially costly errors in the first half. And that makes three average games in a row

I take your point about his defensive work, but he often undoes that work with poor decision making.

And a big knock i have on him in terms of his decision making is that he takes too many low percentage options, eg taking on the tackler on when the percentage play is to give it off or attempting marginal handballs or kicks outside his skill range.

And it is poor decisions that can really hurt in finals.

He is at his best when he is given a specific job on a gun opposition mid, who can take him to the ball. His role should be a negator, not a creator. And when he does that job well, his possessions become more valuable. 

Viney was the perfect player to go to Wines, but it left Harmes without an obvious tagging role.   

All that said goody has placed a huge value on consistency of selection and rewarding players, so Harmes is unlikely to be dropped. Which is fine by me. I have a lot of respect for that approach. 

Give Harmes a job on O'Meara and free up Viney a bit. Sparrow will remain as a sub, unless they want him to get some game time, as goody no doubt wants to reinforce he is an important part of the team.

By the by,  can Sparrow play for casey this weekend?

Spot on. I reckon the main reason Goody matched Vines up with Wines was to build his fitness up with a tough run with roll. He doubt he'll be tagging next week.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

On 7/8/2021 at 10:32 PM, Lord Nev said:

Will wait til after the Casey game, but could be tempted to drop Harmes for Sparrow.

Ok, probably no change, but wouldn't fall off my chair if Melksham came in for Harmes

 

[maximum bob 462]

1 hour ago, Boots and all said:

Spot on. I reckon the main reason Goody matched Vines up with Wines was to build his fitness up with a tough run with roll. He doubt he'll be tagging next week.

And they're best mates who'd love to knock the granny out of each other given the chance. Two hard nuts. I may be wrong here but wasn't Ollie Wines Jack's best man at his wedding?

 

[Boots and all 1,000]

1 hour ago, maximum bob said:

And they're best mates who'd love to knock the granny out of each other given the chance. Two hard nuts. I may be wrong here but wasn't Ollie Wines Jack's best man at his wedding?

 

Haha, yep for sure, always trying to get one up on each I bet. No idea who was best man, I know Wines, Oliver and Gawny were groomsmen. 

[Lil_red_fire_engine 11,091]

Watching the VFL today suspect we we will go unchanged unless they bring in Melksham for Harmes. 

[Neil Crompton 5,445]

21 minutes ago, Boots and all said:

Haha, yep for sure, always trying to get one up on each I bet. No idea who was best man, I know Wines, Oliver and Gawny were groomsmen. 

Sorry its off topic, but Boots, Jack had his two brothers (one named Max) and Wines as his groomsmen, not Gawny and Oliver.

[deanox 9,896]

6 hours ago, Sydee said:

Chalmers ? Have I missed something 

The Superintendent.

[Boots and all 1,000]

14 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

Sorry its off topic, but Boots, Jack had his two brothers (one named Max) and Wines as his groomsmen, not Gawny and Oliver.

Ah righto, bloody media misrepresenting the facts again!! Unfortunately didn't get an invite, so cannot confirm nor deny ?..

[defuture15 897]

1 hour ago, deanox said:

The Superintendent.

Skinner!

[JimmyGadson 3,455]

2 hours ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

Watching the VFL today suspect we we will go unchanged unless they bring in Melksham for Harmes. 

Hope they do. 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

10 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

In. Kicks to the hotspot 15 metres out from goal. 
Out. Consistently kicking to the deep forward pockets.  Too easily defended against us.  Even when we mark it, it’s a difficult shot and low chance of conversions.  

Ok if we are icing a quarter or the match only a few points up but we were still doing it with a few minutes left and 5 goals up.  Makes no sense.  At least go for the jugular in that situation and kick to the hot zone as you SNS.

Will also bring the KFs into the game and make us a little less predictable if we mix it up a little.

[jumbo returns 6,737]

Harmes won’t get dropped 

[Billy 2,521]

On 7/9/2021 at 7:26 AM, Boots and all said:

Harmes is a far cry from his 2018 form, when he seemed to contribute week in, week out. I find some solace in that as his best can be very good.

2018 Harmes was at his best when playing as a tagger.

Thats his one wood (as they say)

That’s his go playing on McCrae, Neale, Duncan & the like

[Deemania since 56 6,605]

On 7/10/2021 at 11:08 AM, Wrecker46 said:

Bring in Chalmers and give him a crack. It pains me to say but ANB has to go out for him. Purely because there is no-one else to drop.

At this very moment approaching the game against the Hawks, ANB could be rested - not that he needs a rest in reality - just to trial another of particular capabilities who is currently 'hot' in the Casey games. This player needs good skills and a keen determination. Prior experience at AFL level would be beneficial to augment the team structures and training preparations that currently exist. Chandler would be the best possible example of a suitable, achievable opportunity in place of ANB.

 

[DubDee 25,510]

Still no change 

[SPC 3,532]

Any chance Bowey might debut this weekend?

[binman 42,533]

On 7/10/2021 at 9:36 PM, Rusty Nails said:

Ok if we are icing a quarter or the match only a few points up but we were still doing it with a few minutes left and 5 goals up.  Makes no sense.  At least go for the jugular in that situation and kick to the hot zone as you SNS.

Will also bring the KFs into the game and make us a little less predictable if we mix it up a little.

It does make sense.

It is really important each player sticks to the team rules from the first whistle to the last. Discipline.

Or else at some important juncture a player goes of script and we lose an important contest.

And in your scenario who makes the call to kick to the hot zone? Presumably the kicker. How do his teamates know he is not going to follow team rules?

The only way for it to work is for some sort of signal , and then practising it, which would waste their time.

And they clearly don't want unpredictability. A tenet of the game plan is predictable ball movement. Like kicking it to the pocket.

Repetition builds predictability, not random off script plays.

Another tenet is percentage play. Kicking to the hotspot is low percentage. Sure we might score more often (with that specific kick), might being the operative word.

We want to trap the ball inside our forward half and get repeat entries

But very few pack marks get taken these days and so the likelihood is that the ball hits the deck.

If it does and is won by the opposition they win it in the corridor it makes it super hard for us to defend the next kick as the field is open.

And so conversely much easier for them to transition out of their back half as it is impossible to cover the whole ground with a zone

But a contest in the pocket that is not marked might go over the boundary line. So we then reset. Tick.

And if they win the ground ball their only safe option is a pressured kicked down the line. Where we have pressed up, mark/intercept and go back inside 50. Because we know that's where it is likely to go and CAN cover that space.

If they decide they are sick of kicking it back to us down the line their other options - eg cross or try to hit a target in the corridor- are super risky and if turned over highly likely to concede a score.

A great example was kossies first goal where we had pressed up, book tried to hit a man 20 odd metres away rather than kick down the line, missed it and after the ball was in dispute fritter tapped to kossie who goaled from just inside 50.

On percentages we we will score more often, and concede less coast to coast goals by sticking to the plan. 

Not sexy, a little boring perhaps, but smart.

And sticking to tbe plan at all times will help us win finals.

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[ProperDee 1,698]

Harmes has the skill set to be a very good tagger.  Where he lets himself down is when he gets the ball.  Instead of dishing it off and matching up again on his opponent, he is inclined to want to break tackles and take the game on often leaving his direct opponent free.  All he has to do is sacrifice that overambitious part of his game and make his opponents life difficult.

Yes, there will be the odd opportunity to take a mark and perhaps kick a goal but his primary focus has to be his opponent not getting the footy. 

Edited July 12, 2021 by ProperDee