Did Jimmy Stynes ever cop racial abuse ?

[Cranky Franky 1,563]

Genuine question here - I'm not trying to stir up any current controversies.  I seem to recall Jim complaining of being racially abused during his playing days however I cannot find any reference to this matter on the web or even in his biography.  Do any Demonlanders recall this or am i imagining it.

[Demon trucker 1,788]

5 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

Genuine question here - I'm not trying to stir up any current controversies.  I seem to recall Jim complaining of being racially abused during his playing days however I cannot find any reference to this matter on the web or even in his biography.  Do any Demonlanders recall this or am i imagining it.

Of course he would have been called names, but like wogs like me we can't complain, and when we do no one cares, or even call it racism.

[Bitter but optimistic 21,560]

I always reckoned it was ok to abuse poms, paddies and our sheep loving neighbours from across the ditch

[Cranky Franky 1,563]

I thought there was an occasion where he complained to the umpire & the matter was taken further maybe even to the tribunal.

[Dame Gaga 2,453]

Don't know if this answers the question, but this is from The Australian dated 12 January 2010 by Lanai Vasek,

'Following his retirement from the game in 1998, Stynes assumed the role of anti-racism officer for the AFL. At the time, he said the cause was "extremely close to his heart" due to his astonishment at the level of racial abuse he and other players had experienced during their careers.'

The article does not go on to mention any specific incidents, but this shows that racism knows no bounds.

[BDA 20,815]

I'd be surprised if he didn't cop abuse. 

[Rab D Nesbitt 7,397]

If Jim received any racist abuse when playing it would be due to him being caucasian, not irish. There's the widely peddled myth of course that they're all a bit thick but in my time living there I found them to be anything but. 

[Demonstone 19,811]

5 minutes ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

If Jim received any racist abuse when playing it would be due to him being caucasian, not irish.

I would think the exact opposite, Rab.  

[monoccular 16,513]

Of course he would have been called a “Irish [censored]” or something similar after the PF  over the mark incident.  
Is that “racist”?

[Rab D Nesbitt 7,397]

1 minute ago, demonstone said:

I would think the exact opposite, Rab.  

Hey Demonstone. Maybe I could've explained that a little better. What I was trying to say was that being irish is a nationality, not a race. 

[Mydee 288]

1 hour ago, Cranky Franky said:

Genuine question here - I'm not trying to stir up any current controversies.  I seem to recall Jim complaining of being racially abused during his playing days however I cannot find any reference to this matter on the web or even in his biography.  Do any Demonlanders recall this or am i imagining it.

I recall going to a supporters  dinner at the Sydney Cricket Ground in 1996 where Jim was the main speaker He told of playing a reserves match against Essendon early in his career where they they were making disparaging remarks about Ireland so he meted out the appropriate retaliation to the main culprit after that he was chased around the ground by almost the entire Essendon team trying to bash him. So yes he was abused based on his nationality.

Edited February 8, 2021 by Mydee
typo

[Demonstone 19,811]

That's true Rab but, as monoccular suggests, any abuse would be prefaced with "Irish" not "white".

[Rab D Nesbitt 7,397]

2 minutes ago, demonstone said:

That's true Rab but, as monoccular suggests, any abuse would be prefaced with "Irish" not "white".

Yup, agreed. Hence the reason he wouldn't have been on the wrong end of racist abuse. I bet whoever did abuse him though only did it the once. 

[Mydee 288]

1 minute ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Hey Demonstone. Maybe I could've explained that a little better. What I was trying to say was that being irish is a nationality, not a race. 

Under Section 9 of the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 nationality is included in those criteria covered by the act as unlawful

[Ethan Tremblay 28,660]

On page 33 of the book ‘Sport and Post Colonialism’ by John Bale and Mike Cronin, “Jim Stynes, originally from Ireland, described his astonishment at the level of racial abuse he had experienced over the course of a 12 year career”. 

Edited February 8, 2021 by Ethan Tremblay

[Rab D Nesbitt 7,397]

1 minute ago, Mydee said:

Under Section 9 of the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 nationality is included in those criteria covered by the act as unlawful

Sounds like you're all over this race thing Mydee. I defer to your greater knowledge on the subject. 

[faultydet 7,593]

1 minute ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Sounds like you're all over this race thing Mydee. I defer to your greater knowledge on the subject. 

http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/rda1975202/s9.html#:~:text=(1) It is unlawful for,of any human right or

(1) It is unlawful for a person to do any act involving a distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of any human right or .

[McQueen 17,864]

30 minutes ago, faultydet said:

http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/rda1975202/s9.html#:~:text=(1) It is unlawful for,of any human right or

(1) It is unlawful for a person to do any act involving a distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of any human right or .

Cheer for sharing that. 

[chook fowler 18,464]

To be sure. To be sure.

[Sideshow Bob 2,165]

Reckon he would have been absolutely served a tonne of racial abuse. Especially when he wore that flouro green cap in a practice match to stop his Irish white face from being burnt in the February sun. The hat got ripped off, ripped up and he copped it massively

[Dame Gaga 2,453]

7 minutes ago, Sideshow Bob said:

Reckon he would have been absolutely served a tonne of racial abuse. Especially when he wore that flouro green cap in a practice match to stop his Irish white face from being burnt in the February sun. The hat got ripped off, ripped up and he copped it massively

I remember that day well. What a big fuss about nothing. What a tragic irony that melanoma killed poor Jim in the end. I hope those idiots are proud of themselves.

[Biffen 12,450]

Stephen Kernahan managed a very successful AFL career despite never learning to speak English.

[Pates 9,541]

3 hours ago, Sideshow Bob said:

Reckon he would have been absolutely served a tonne of racial abuse. Especially when he wore that flouro green cap in a practice match to stop his Irish white face from being burnt in the February sun. The hat got ripped off, ripped up and he copped it massively

Was before my time so I never actually knew it got ripped off. Pathetic from those blokes. Just as pathetic was Robert Walls (Brisbane coach) comments after he found out one of the players (Matthew Kennedy) ripped it in half, "Did he really tear it in half? I wish I'd seen it, it would have been the highlight of the match". [censored]

[forever demons 1,908]

5 hours ago, Pates said:

Was before my time so I never actually knew it got ripped off. Pathetic from those blokes. Just as pathetic was Robert Walls (Brisbane coach) comments after he found out one of the players (Matthew Kennedy) ripped it in half, "Did he really tear it in half? I wish I'd seen it, it would have been the highlight of the match". [censored]

I think this subject is going to far ,lets not take the fun out of life,taking the micky out of someone is not racism tearing up a hat is not racism .i am sure Jim would have said his fair share out on the ground as well.Walls would have been joking because it was funny ,not racist

[Ugottobekidding 915]

13 hours ago, Mydee said:

I recall going to a supporters  dinner at the Sydney Cricket Ground in 1996 where Jim was the main speaker He told of playing a reserves match against Essendon early in his career where they they were making disparaging remarks about Ireland so he meted out the appropriate retaliation to the main culprit after that he was chased around the ground by almost the entire Essendon team trying to bash him. So yes he was abused based on his nationality.

Happens everywhere. You go and live in another country and report back. As far as Aussies give it out, most can laugh when they get it back as well.