CHANGES: Rd 07 vs Hawthorn

[Leoncelli_36 2,264]

1 minute ago, Engorged Onion said:

The only reason he would be dropped would be from the data around the need to manage him.

There are some seriously ridiculous comments about decisions that are made on players, this would be up there.

If it is about managing him, why is he being played 80% in meaningless practice matches, where he racks up 35 posies and kicks 4. 

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,171]

Melksham was improved and whilst his lethargy to chase is frustrating he and Harmes played a strong defensive role swapping on Harbrow between midfield stints. I expect that Melksham will get the defensive job on Sicily next week so no chance he wont play.

[Rednblueriseing 650]

47 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Smith has played a dozen games and has an upside

Brown is not the way forward 

That's been the problem with MFC for decades playing kids who are not developed to AFL standard ether because of Talent or heaps of injuries rather play experience.

If Smith is good forward he can smash the door down at training then he's ready 

[Engorged Onion 9,262]

5 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

If it is about managing him, why is he being played 80% in meaningless practice matches, where he racks up 35 posies and kicks 4. 

Because it's about getting a specific amount of work in to him, each week. The process is THAT refined. It's not about the context of meaningful or meaningless matches.

It's not just about 80% time as well, within the time spent out there, there will be metrics around top speed, acceleration that he needs to hit (and NOT go over). In a 16 side game vs a bloody explosively quick Tigers outfit - I'd would have erred on the cautious side as well.

Coupled with that (if we take it to be true) is that he was asked to work on some things defensively, he ticked that box and he is straight back in.

Remember, it's not just Goodwin who makes the call, one of the best in the business (Burgess) will call the shots from a load management perspective.

Edited July 12, 2020 by Engorged Onion

[Lucifers Hero 37,008]

1 hour ago, The Swimming Dee said:

Brayshaw- 12 touches, 0 tackles must be on notice. Surely Jordon is close to a debut.

i know this is a simplistic view but Brayshaw seems disinterested. He offers so little at the moment in my opinion 

 

3 hours ago, The Swimming Dee said:

Brayshaw is currently offering nothing and should be dropped. I’m confused about where he is heading.

 

2 hours ago, The Swimming Dee said:

Most of the time he looks like he is just going through the motions...he is such a confusing player to me now.

WOW!  3 anti-Brayshaw posts in the last few hours, just in this thread.  Clearly he is your whipping boy.  Let up a little will you.

[Travy14 1,492]

Out: Melksham, Lockhart and T'Mac*  if injured

In: Jones, A N-B, Brown*

 

[jumbo returns 6,488]

48 minutes ago, Rednblueriseing said:

That's been the problem with MFC for decades playing kids who are not developed to AFL standard ether because of Talent or heaps of injuries rather play experience.

If Smith is good forward he can smash the door down at training then he's ready 

Thanks for the debate

Let’s agree to disagree

Brown is a very poor footballer - Smith is quick, has a great pair of hands and can kick a mile

[dazzledavey36 48,734]

25 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Thanks for the debate

Let’s agree to disagree

Brown is a very poor footballer - Smith is quick, has a great pair of hands and can kick a mile

since when? Dead set all of his kick have been chip little 25m passes.

Can you show me or point out some vision I can see him supposedly kicking the footy a mile?

[jumbo returns 6,488]

19 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

since when? Dead set all of his kick have been chip little 25m passes.

Can you show me or point out some vision I can see him supposedly kicking the footy a mile?

No

Thanks

[dazzledavey36 48,734]

8 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

No

Thanks

So he's not a big kick.

I didn't think so.

[daisycutter 28,508]

Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

So he's not a big kick.

I didn't think so.

he's not a natural footballer either

i don't understand why a few posters keep pushing him.......based on what?

[Wiseblood 24,636]

2 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

Smith has played a dozen games and has an upside

Brown is not the way forward 

Hey jumbo - I get what you're saying.  Brown was recruited as depth and nothing more.

However, have a look at the Hawthorn defence.  They have some big boys down there in Chip, Frosty and Sicily, and I think we need at least two tall, stronger type players who can create a contest.  While Brown is not necessarily 'big', he brings experience, height and a good understanding of how to play as a forward to the side.  

If Tom has to miss then I have no problem bringing Brown into the side, especially against Hawthorn.  He might not 'win' us games but he will certainly help to keep us competitive.

[Wiseblood 24,636]

Just now, daisycutter said:

he's not a natural footballer either

i don't understand why a few posters keep pushing him.......based on what?

I pushed for the experiment to continue (even though I was very happy with what Oscar did last night and he more than justified his selection in the side) because I see what he can bring to the side - he is strong, athletic and in the back line we can keep it simple with him.  While he has made a few errors, he certainly didn't have any bags kicked on him and I thought it was worth persisting with.

I'm not sold on him as a forward, though.  His only claim to fame there is a four goal haul in a pre-season game.  At least he gives us some depth at the minute if we need to call on him again.

[daisycutter 28,508]

1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

I pushed for the experiment to continue (even though I was very happy with what Oscar did last night and he more than justified his selection in the side) because I see what he can bring to the side - he is strong, athletic and in the back line we can keep it simple with him.  While he has made a few errors, he certainly didn't have any bags kicked on him and I thought it was worth persisting with.

I'm not sold on him as a forward, though.  His only claim to fame there is a four goal haul in a pre-season game.  At least he gives us some depth at the minute if we need to call on him again.

depth - yes, future star - not really

[jumbo returns 6,488]

6 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

So he's not a big kick.

I didn't think so.

He is

His kicking has been limited to short passing as per the tempo of the game

 

[jumbo returns 6,488]

6 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Hey jumbo - I get what you're saying.  Brown was recruited as depth and nothing more.

However, have a look at the Hawthorn defence.  They have some big boys down there in Chip, Frosty and Sicily, and I think we need at least two tall, stronger type players who can create a contest.  While Brown is not necessarily 'big', he brings experience, height and a good understanding of how to play as a forward to the side.  

If Tom has to miss then I have no problem bringing Brown into the side, especially against Hawthorn.  He might not 'win' us games but he will certainly help to keep us competitive.

I’m hearing you, too, Wise - Smith is tall and has a big leap on him

He will be a handful for those three players you mentioned

[old dee 22,852]

As I don’t have Foxtel and my normal watch spot was off last night because of the lockdown I have not seen the game.

As you all know I have never been a big fan of the Weid but I have been asking for weeks why he was not getting a game as we were crying out for a KPF and guess what he plays last night and kicks two goals, if he had been in the team vs Geelong and kicks only one we win the game. It is well and truely time to give him a number of games because at his age it is time to find out if he is the future.

By all reports he played well last night and I am very happy to say I have been wrong.

He will be in against the Hawks and I hope he buries them. 

[The Swimming Dee 1,853]

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

 

 

WOW!  3 anti-Brayshaw posts in the last few hours, just in this thread.  Clearly he is your whipping boy.  Let up a little will you.

He is not my whipping boy, I just think he is hardly contributing...I’m entitled to my opinion 

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

12 hours ago, dee-tox said:

Absolute bollocks Saty. Nev was horrible. He had one kick for the game and five possessions. Two of which were contested. His opponent had six shots at goal for three goals (game high) and another couple of goal assists. Sure a couple of Rankine's goals were freakish but the one he read off Gawn's tap Nev was slow to react and chase.

Saty we know you have an unhealthy obsession with Nev. Maybe he smiled to you at trainin?. But he's done. To let a first gamer have eight score involvements as a lockdown defender and only have one kick for a game yourself means you are in massive trouble come selection time.

Read my post, he wasn't Nev's direct opponent on some occasions 

Don't have an unhealthy obsession, we have mutual respect, something I find hard to have with some of the posts 're Nev in this topic

The tap was to Langdon who was goal side of Rankine, he was flat footed, could have grabbed Rankine

[dazzledavey36 48,734]

43 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Read my post, he wasn't Nev's direct opponent on some occasions 

Don't have an unhealthy obsession, we have mutual respect, something I find hard to have with some of the posts 're Nev in this topic

The tap was to Langdon who was goal side of Rankine, he was flat footed, could have grabbed Rankine

No watch the reply, Langford was on his own hence why Gawn made the tap, Jetta was standing next to Rankine and not goal side. Ranking took off and left Jetta at his feet, no body contact nothing. 

Langdon was ready to receive the ball until Rankine came flying past and intercepted the ball, Jetta was no where to be seen.

That's on Jetta, not Langdon.

Edited July 12, 2020 by dazzledavey36

[Redleg 37,577]

28 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

No watch the reply, Langford was on his own hence why Gawn made the tap, Jetta was standing next to Rankine and not goal side. Ranking took off and left Jetta at his feet, no body contact nothing. 

Languor was ready to receive the ball until Rankine came flying past and intercepted the ball, Jetta was no where to be seen.

That's on Jetta, not Langdon.

Agree. I am worried about Nev as age seems to be getting him. He was never quick, but got to contests and could negate his opponents. He is slower now and struggling. I think sadly he will struggle to be in the side soon. Just on Gawn’s tap, while he was superb yesterday IMO he should not be tapping the ball close to the pack near opposition goals. It is just too dangerous and he should be belting it our way to clear the area, which gains ground and gives us the chance to break it at least force a contest and bit further out from opposition goal.

[WA Demon Boy 966]

I think Tmac will get up 

If not, the argument for Brown vs Smith is a tough one 

I'd go with Brown because we need someone leading up as that target and someone with a solid work rate. Not sure how much Smith would run up and down and be able to do that. 

Brown is also a pretty reliable shot for goal. Who knows that Smith is like in this area  

[dazzledavey36 48,734]

1 minute ago, Redleg said:

Agree. I am worried about Nev as age seems to be getting him. He was never quick, but got to contests and could negate his opponents. He is slower now and struggling. I think sadly he will struggle to be in the side soon. Just on Gawn’s tap, while he was superb yesterday IMO he should not be tapping the ball close to the pack near opposition goals. It is just too dangerous and he should be belting it our way to clear the area, which gains ground and gives us the chance to break it at least force a contest and bit further out from opposition goal.

Agree mate, hes been a fantastic servant of this football club, but he looks cooked unfortunately and when he's barely giving offensively let alone beating his opponent,  then he's in trouble.

[chook fowler 18,226]

Would like to see Tomlinson at centre half forward - he is tall enough and mobile. I think he offers more than Brown or Smith as a forward.

[Swooper1987 2,746]

If TMac doesn't come up I think Tomlinson is the logical replacement. He can swing between mid and forward and he played a great game against Hawthorn in the Marsh series.